RB$ circling the wagons for fellow RBs

[K D]

5 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I clearly said after taxes and all expenses, especially if you have children.  Taxes lop that $15 mill into almost half right off the top *and in this hypothetical, you'd be a former NFL RB.  You're going to have former NFL RB knee, joint and back problems fo these rest of your life.

 

Heaven forbid you, your spouse or children get cancer or some other debilitating disease... 

 

You have to account for worst case scenarios.  

Right, you need to take a finance class. You don't know the difference between after taxes and before taxes. Don't worry, most people are bad with money. They purposely don't teach it in school because schools create employees. 99% of this board won't make in their entire life of working what these RB's make in 1 year. No matter what your job is, you are paid based on your value. If these RB's are so valuable as you say, then the team would have no choice but to pay them what they want. The fact is, they are not and can be easily replaced by a younger and hungrier runner for much cheaper.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He is worth that to the Giants. The Giants feel it would be harder to replace Jones than Barkley.

There might be a new 'low cost' option available in the metropolitan NYC area...

Willing to entertain 'interesting fringe benefits' as part of his overall compensation package.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, Chaos said:

There is a simple solution.  The NFL has different franchise tags by position. So it is well established there are different financial implications for different position groups. The rookie contract lengths should also adjust by position group. RBs should have a rookie contract life of two seasons.  This will further devalue their draft position but will make them free agents in their prime. 

The biggest thing here is in order to pay RBs more you have to take money from somewhere else. Meaning other positions or owners. Also if the owners agree to give more money they aren’t going to want to pay RBs.

 

There really isn’t a solution unless owners and other NFL players feel bad and want to give their money to RBs.

[transient]

5 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

Cool.  Now let's do QBs who make 2-4 times as much.  

I’ll do you one better, let’s look at the last 15 SB winners and identify the teams with RBs making 15M dollars… or 10M dollars, even… the season they won the SB. If you want, do it by percentage of cap space taken up for a more accurate comparison… eyeballing it, it’s probably only Seattle with Marshawn Lynch that even approximates what you’re talking about, and I have no idea if he was in his peak contract years when they won it. 

[Chicken Boo]

4 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Right, you need to take a finance class. You don't know the difference between after taxes and before taxes. Don't worry, most people are bad with money. They purposely don't teach it in school because schools create employees.

 

It's definitely YOU that doesn't understand the difference between net and gross pay. 

Edited July 18, 2023 by Chicken Boo

[Chicken Boo]

1 minute ago, transient said:

I’ll do you one better, let’s look at the last 15 SB winners and identify the teams with RBs making 15M dollars… or 10M dollars, even… the season they won the SB. If you want, do it by percentage of cap space taken up for a more accurate comparison… eyeballing it, it’s probably only Seattle with Marshawn Lynch that even approximates what you’re talking about, and I have no idea if he was in his peak contract years when they won it. 

 

Take a look at the last 15 Super Bowl winners and tell me how many of them have middling QBs.

 

[SoMAn]

It is what it is…a changing game and changing market for some positions. 

 

If they don’t like the job, go sit for an insurance license exam.

They effectively get paid over $1,000,000 with 4 months off to vacation or just spend time with family.

 

In the glory days of when RBs where taken 1st overall and were often the best paid, corners, receivers, and OTs  were second tier players on the wage scale. 

That’s flip-flopped with the change in game and rules that favor the passing game. 
 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I clearly said after taxes and all expenses, especially if you have children.  Taxes lop that $15 mill into almost half right off the top *and in this hypothetical, you'd be a former NFL RB.  You're going to have former NFL RB knee, joint and back problems for the rest of your life.

 

Heaven forbid you, your spouse or children get cancer or some other debilitating disease... 

 

You have to account for worst case scenarios.  

 

Cool.  Now let's do QBs who make 2-4 times as much.  

 

Play 3 years and you are vested into NFL healthcare for life.

 

Taxes and agent fees will come out right about 40%. So still leaves me with $7M+.

 

A $5M principal nest egg should give anyone a salary of $200k (or more) a year for the rest of your life. For doing nothing. Better off then 99% of us civilians.

 

edit:

Federal Taxes will be about 36.5%. The blended State Tax rate will be about 5%. Agent fee cannot be more than 3%. So that is 44.5%.

For the sake of discussion, let's call it 45%.

 

$15M - 45% = $8,250,000

For the sake of discussion, let's call it $8M

 

At an ultra conservative 3% draw, that principal generates $240k/yr. Forever. Plus anything over 3% generated by my investments gets added onto the principal.

 

Maybe I can't live like a show-off diva baller. But my family and I can definitely live comfortably for a loooong time.

 

Edited July 18, 2023 by DrDawkinstein

[transient]

Just now, Chicken Boo said:

 

Take a look at the last 15 Super Bowl winners and tell me how many of them have middling QBs.

 

Arguing that you can’t win a SB with a middling QB isn’t a justification for overpaying for a star RB. If anything, the last 15 years demonstrate that teams that are dependent on their running game over their QB would be better off tearing it all down until they find their QB than paying a stud RB a lot of money to overcome their QB deficiencies, assuming that winning the SB is their goal.

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

This is true.........and part of the reason is that today's RB's(with the exception of Derrick Henry) can't hold a candle to the last crop of great RB's that arrived when guys like Adrian Pederson and Marshawn Lynch entered the league.    The wall got closer......falling from 30 all the way to 26......when the great talents started playing other positions.

 

So these guys are complaining about not being paid like a great RB of yesteryear...........but they aren't as good, either.   It's the only position where the quality of athletes has gotten worse.   They aren't the Thurman Thomas.......they are Kenny Davis.   They aren't Jerome Bettis they are Barry Foster.   

 

If the league wants to be equitable they should pay them more on their rookie deals.   They may not have the longevity of yesterdays starting RB's but they are doing a lot of work relative to what they get paid.   But if not,  then it's not a big deal.   There will always be some RB's because there are still plenty of muscle hamsters that can't hit a curveball and can't play other positions.

 

 

I agree. Most running backs seem to me to be about the same in quality. Their success seems to be dictated by mainly by:

1)  The quality of their OL.

2) Whether or not their QB is good enough to keep the LBs and safeties playing back.

The rule changes and safety concerns have made this a passing league and it is very unlikely to change.

[C.Biscuit97]

Honestly, you have to see both sides and they both are valid. RBs age badly and rarely last long. So you get 100% why teams are hesitant to pay them.

 

However imagine if you are Derrick Henry or Barkley and you are the offense. Meanwhile, your scrub qb is making 4 times as much as you. That’s pretty BS. You get destroyed physically, are a much, much better player but get 4 times less? I would be pissed too. 
 

im not 100 percent sure that solution. I do think the qb money has gotten out of control. Allen and Mahomes is one thing. But Daniel Jones and 15 td passes makes $40 million/ year is wild. I also think rbs should be allowed to go pro whenever they want once they are in college. Teams prostitute these dudes (both in college and see what the Flacons did to Jamal Anderson during their SB run) and then throw them away. It is one of the coolest positions in sports and they might get treated the worst.

6 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I agree. Most running backs seem to me to be about the same in quality. Their success seems to be dictated by mainly by:

1)  The quality of their OL.

2) Whether or not their QB is good enough to keep the LBs and safeties playing back.

The rule changes and safety concerns have made this a passing league and it is very unlikely to change.

But that’s why the special ones - Henry, Barkley - who can shine with garbage qbs and mid o line play deserve bigger money. 
 

 

42 minutes ago, transient said:

I’ll do you one better, let’s look at the last 15 SB winners and identify the teams with RBs making 15M dollars… or 10M dollars, even… the season they won the SB. If you want, do it by percentage of cap space taken up for a more accurate comparison… eyeballing it, it’s probably only Seattle with Marshawn Lynch that even approximates what you’re talking about, and I have no idea if he was in his peak contract years when they won it. 

Eh, how many qbs making max money have won SBs recently? Mahomes’ contracf just kicked in, Brady always took discounts, etc. paying anyone top position money is not great for team success.

 

but how many receivers making top money have won SBs? I can’t think of any (see KC trading Hill before winning a SB). Yet, their salaries keep escalating 

[SoCal Deek]

As with all things, this is not complicated.
 

What is something worth? Answer: What someone else is willing to pay for it. 

 

We seem to have a real problem with that in society. It’s time for a mandatory class. 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

As with all things, this is not complicated.
 

What is something worth? Answer: What someone else is willing to pay for it. 

 

We seem to have a real problem with that in society. It’s time for a mandatory class. 

 

We have a real problem with associating money with success... all money does is allow a person to do more of what they want the more they have of it- it doesn't make them better or smarter, it just makes them rich. They don't want to pay RBs nearly as much because of their propensity for injury and wearing out a lot sooner... fine. That being said, if they are going to do that, they should be taken care of monetarily or through medical benefits that are commensurate with the extra wear and tear they place on their bodies. Frankly I am surprised that football remains as it is because of the cases of CTE that keep cropping up- these men want to be able to live comfortably after their career and the RB position is especially brutal. That being said, THEY APPROVED THE CBA and they must accept partial blame for this.

[C.Biscuit97]

6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Another one. Gurley only 23 years old when he got paid. So it’s not about age. It’s about the position. 
 

The Rams are a great example. They have struggled to replace Gurley but they still won a Super Bowl with his replacements. They had a RB by committee that year.

Eh. gurley had damaged knees coming into the nfl. And those Rams team with Gurley were way better than the Rams team that won it (they are one of the worse recent SB winners). 
 

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

We have a real problem with associating money with success... all money does is allow a person to do more of what they want the more they have of it- it doesn't make them better or smarter, it just makes them rich. They don't want to pay RBs nearly as much because of their propensity for injury and wearing out a lot sooner... fine. That being said, if they are going to do that, they should be taken care of monetarily or through medical benefits that are commensurate with the extra wear and tear they place on their bodies. Frankly I am surprised that football remains as it is because of the cases of CTE that keep cropping up- these men want to be able to live comfortably after their career and the RB position is especially brutal. That being said, THEY APPROVED THE CBA and they must accept partial blame for this.

All of that is true but it’s sort of like saying I want to be an underwater welder but am afraid of being in the water. 
 

Anyone ever seen the Monty Python ‘Lion Tamer’ sketch? One of my all time favorites! 👍

[EasternOHBillsFan]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

All of that is true but it’s sort of like saying I want to be an underwater welder but am afraid of being in the water. 
 

Anyone ever seen the Monty Python ‘Lion Tamer’ sketch? One of my all time favorites! 👍

 

Underwater welders GET PAID PREMIUM PAY for their job, though...

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

Underwater welders GET PAID PREMIUM PAY for their job, though...

Once again….They get paid EXACT MINIMUM the industry has determined they need to be in order to fill the available positions. Just like every other job, ever. 

[Nextmanup]

10 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

They don't want to pay RBs nearly as much because of their propensity for injury and wearing out a lot sooner... fine.

That is NOT why they aren't paid more.

 

They are not paid more because the game has changed since 1983 and a really good WR raises your win probability much more than a really good RB.  

 

Players are generally compensated according to their impact on Wins and Losses.

 

The day may come (this was predicted when the salary cap was invented) when ALL the money goes to the QB and elite offensive weapons, and the rest of the team will make league minimum.

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

17 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Eh. gurley had damaged knees coming into the nfl. And those Rams team with Gurley were way better than the Rams team that won it (they are one of the worse recent SB winners). 
 

 

And what are you saying?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I think most fans would say centers are more important than RBs. Maybe not.