RB$ circling the wagons for fellow RBs

[BullBuchanan]

12 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

That is life changing wages , it’s all about how one handles their finances. There is a thing called getting a job after football, and not pissing away a windfall. That’s on them, and how is it you came up with this silly notion that these guys should never have to get a job after their football years? 

You clearly don't get it and don't want to.

9 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Holy smokes bro.  Do you not understand the vets do not want ROOKIES to make more money.

 

The older players HATED that AP got a massive deal before he took a snap.

 

Allowing RB's to make more money on their rookie deals WILL HURT players like Barkley and Jacobs.

 

 

I dont think that's the case anymore. You have vet RBs coming out in droves talking about what's happening now. If the choice was them getting paid upfront or not at all, I know what theyd choose. AP was drafted 16 years ago when RBs played into their 30s and got lucrative 2nd deals.

[FireChans]

9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I think it’s actually an interesting point. If history has shown that a RB, even when really good, rarely can get a second contract because his own rookie contract success probably means he’s been worked to ‘death’, then I’m sure the market will adjust. 

I'm not sure what you mean.

9 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

You clearly don't get it and don't want to.

I dont think that's the case anymore. You have vet RBs coming out in droves talking about what's happening now. If the choice was them getting paid upfront or not at all, I know what theyd choose. AP was drafted 16 years ago when RBs played into their 30s and got lucrative 2nd deals.

You have no evidence for this.  You have vet RB's coming out in droves arguing that VET RBs should be paid more.  No one is arguing Bijan Robinson should be paid more.  Except you.

 

“This is Criminal,” 49ers back Christian McCaffrey shared. “Three of the best PLAYERS in the entire league, regardless of position.” 

 

Is he talking about Bijan and Gibbs?  NOPE.

 

“It’s nothing that we’re doing wrong,” Sanders said on the Rich Eisen Show. “We’re doing everything that we have to do as far as on the field and stuff like that. For people and GMs or owners to think that running backs are not as valued as much is a lie because you’ve got to see how everything plays out. You’ve got to see what guys like Christian McCaffrey, the stuff he does, things that Saquon Barkley (does), the things that Josh Jacobs (does) consistently each year. …

 

Ah yes, Christan McCaffrey, Saquon Barkley and Josh Jacobs, all notable rookie players who want the rookie scale increased.  Lmao.

Edited July 18, 2023 by FireChans

[BullBuchanan]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I'm not sure what you mean.

You have no evidence for this.  You have vet RB's coming out in droves arguing that VET RBs should be paid more.  No one is arguing Bijan Robinson should be paid more.  Except you.

 

“This is Criminal,” 49ers back Christian McCaffrey shared. “Three of the best PLAYERS in the entire league, regardless of position.” 

 

Is he talking about Bijan and Gibbs?  NOPE.

 

“It’s nothing that we’re doing wrong,” Sanders said on the Rich Eisen Show. “We’re doing everything that we have to do as far as on the field and stuff like that. For people and GMs or owners to think that running backs are not as valued as much is a lie because you’ve got to see how everything plays out. You’ve got to see what guys like Christian McCaffrey, the stuff he does, things that Saquon Barkley (does), the things that Josh Jacobs (does) consistently each year. …

 

Ah yes, Christan McCaffrey, Saquon Barkley and Josh Jacobs, all notable rookie players who want the rookie scale increased.  Lmao.

Another guy totally missing the point. Context, my dude, context. They're trying to get paid now because they weren't paid before. Obviously they don't want only rookies to get paid and them to continue to be shafted, but if expectations were reset that RBs make money early and then that's their career, they wouldn't feel like the rug was pulled out form under them.

If they walked into the league free agents or got free agency after 1-2 years the situation would also likely be different.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

I'm not sure what you mean.

You have no evidence for this.  You have vet RB's coming out in droves arguing that VET RBs should be paid more.  No one is arguing Bijan Robinson should be paid more.  Except you.

 

“This is Criminal,” 49ers back Christian McCaffrey shared. “Three of the best PLAYERS in the entire league, regardless of position.” 

 

Is he talking about Bijan and Gibbs?  NOPE.

 

“It’s nothing that we’re doing wrong,” Sanders said on the Rich Eisen Show. “We’re doing everything that we have to do as far as on the field and stuff like that. For people and GMs or owners to think that running backs are not as valued as much is a lie because you’ve got to see how everything plays out. You’ve got to see what guys like Christian McCaffrey, the stuff he does, things that Saquon Barkley (does), the things that Josh Jacobs (does) consistently each year. …

 

Ah yes, Christan McCaffrey, Saquon Barkley and Josh Jacobs, all notable rookie players who want the rookie scale increased.  Lmao.

The general concept behind the rookie contract scale was to make sure younger players proved their worth before getting a big pay day with a second deal. But…if the only way to ‘prove’ yourself is to leave virtually nothing in the physical tank by Year Five, then it’s somewhat fool’s gold for the RB position. Maybe the market has to shorten the rookie contract length for that specific roster position. 

[Sharky7337]

14 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Not really a fair comparison. You make it sound like any star RB could have been a star QB if they chose. Totally different skill sets. 

Dang must be tough only making 10 million vs 20 million those poor poor football players

[FireChans]

10 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Another guy totally missing the point. Context, my dude, context. They're trying to get paid now because they weren't paid before. Obviously they don't want only rookies to get paid and them to continue to be shafted, but if expectations were reset that RBs make money early and then that's their career, they wouldn't feel like the rug was pulled out form under them.

If they walked into the league free agents or got free agency after 1-2 years the situation would also likely be different.

No bro. That's wrong. Pretty much all of the players are trying to get as much money as they can whenever they can all the time. That's what you clearly don't understand. Daniel Jones didn't take a bargain contract because he was drafted top 10 and made a lot of money. He took as much money as he could get. Sam Bradford got a GIGANTIC contract as a rookie, did he take $8M per season after that because he made his money?  No.

 

If Saquon made an extra 10-20M on his entry contract, he would still be pissed about getting tagged and want more money.

 

You are trying to paint this idyllic picture of a way to make everyone happy and that's just not reality. The reality of the cap and the reality of position value will always exist. It's the reality of the league. It's not perfectly fair and it doesn't pretend to be.  Sometimes, players take a crappier deal then explode (like Diggs). Sometimes players overperform, get a massive deal, and suck.  None of that is "fair" either. 

 

It is reality.

9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The general concept behind the rookie contract scale was to make sure younger players proved their worth before getting a big pay day with a second deal. But…if the only way to ‘prove’ yourself is to leave virtually nothing in the physical tank by Year Five, then it’s somewhat fool’s gold for the RB position. Maybe the market has to shorten the rookie contract length for that specific roster position. 

You could do that if you wanted less RB's to get drafted in top 3-4 rounds than they already are.

 

Even decreasing an RB's rookie contract to 3 years would drastically decrease their value as draft picks. Not to mention every other position besides RB would say no ***** way.  Who the NFLPA also works for.

Edited July 18, 2023 by FireChans

[dave mcbride]

20 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The general concept behind the rookie contract scale was to make sure younger players proved their worth before getting a big pay day with a second deal. But…if the only way to ‘prove’ yourself is to leave virtually nothing in the physical tank by Year Five, then it’s somewhat fool’s gold for the RB position. Maybe the market has to shorten the rookie contract length for that specific roster position. 

It's not that they have nothing left in the tank; it's that it's easier to find replacements who perform at roughly the same level. College football is crawling with competent RBs, and the position is a lot less complex than, say, WR, where you have to develop a sophisticated route tree. Because of that, vet receivers have value even if they've lost a tenth of a second on their 40 time. With the RB position, you either have "vision" or you don't. There's always another fresh guy out there who can come in and do what most starting RBs can do.

 

Also, the ones who can run routes well and function as good weapons in the passing game -- McCaffrey, Kamara, Le'veon Bell -- did in fact get paid. McCaffrey's contract turned out to be an albatross for Carolina because of the fact that he was oft-injured (during his first contract!) and didn't help them win. McCaffrey had one of the best RB season of any running back in the past dozen years in 2019 (2,392 yards, 19 TDs, 5.6 yards per touch/target). Yet they were a miserable team, going 5-11.

 

Bell's contract was bad; he had ridiculous personal issues and ended up being banged up. He was an excellent receiver, however. And bear in mind that the Steelers replaced Bell with James Connor, who had 1471 yards from scrimmage and 13 TDs in his first season. The offense overall was excellent (4th in yards, 6th in points) despite being 31st in both rushing yards and rushing attempts.  Kamara had a great first season under that contract (1688 yards; 21 TDs; 5.7 yards per touch/target) but declined a bit in 2021 and 2022.  The league rewards the passing game. 

Edited July 18, 2023 by dave mcbride

[Charles Romes]

Just noticed Elliott is a partner in the Buffalo based golf partner that JA is a partner of. This could lead to Elliott in Buffalo if he does not have a job mid season. 

[SoCal Deek]

10 minutes ago, FireChans said:

No bro. That's wrong. Pretty much all of the players are trying to get as much money as they can whenever they can all the time. That's what you clearly don't understand. Daniel Jones didn't take a bargain contract because he was drafted top 10 and made a lot of money. He took as much money as he could get. Sam Bradford got a GIGANTIC contract as a rookie, did he take $8M per season after that because he made his money?  No.

 

If Saquon made an extra 10-20M on his entry contract, he would still be pissed about getting tagged and want more money.

 

You are trying to paint this idyllic picture of a way to make everyone happy and that's just not reality. The reality of the cap and the reality of position value will always exist. It's the reality of the league. It's not perfectly fair and it doesn't pretend to be.  Sometimes, players take a crappier deal then explode (like Diggs). Sometimes players overperform, get a massive deal, and suck.  None of that is "fair" either. 

 

It is reality.

You could do that if you wanted less RB's to get drafted in top 3-4 rounds than they already are.

 

Even decreasing an RB's rookie contract to 3 years would drastically decrease their value as draft picks. Not to mention every other position besides RB would say no ***** way.  Who the NFLPA also works for.

It’s a balancing act for sure. Yes, I’m certain that other variables would change in the equation. But I frankly couldn’t care less what Round any particular player is drafted in, and neither should the player. That status lasts all of about 20 minutes and then you have to prove yourself on the field. (It’s not all that different from professions who instead put weight on the university you graduated from. You still have to prove it.) 

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

The general concept behind the rookie contract scale was to make sure younger players proved their worth before getting a big pay day with a second deal. But…if the only way to ‘prove’ yourself is to leave virtually nothing in the physical tank by Year Five, then it’s somewhat fool’s gold for the RB position. Maybe the market has to shorten the rookie contract length for that specific roster position. 

Exactly

 

RB gets hit every single play, it's a brutal position

[billsfan89]

4 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Okay, be concerned about people that have wages in the top three percent of all Americans and that they are somehow under payed…, Bwahahahahaha 

It’s a football forum and a football topic about one position group not getting a chance to obtain value from their efforts. Not really sure what else I should be discussing?

[thunderingsquid]

Saquon to the Bills.  

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

Just noticed Elliott is a partner in the Buffalo based golf partner that JA is a partner of. This could lead to Elliott in Buffalo if he does not have a job mid season. 

 

There will be much better players available on practice squads at midseason if they have that many injuries.    He's been washed since before Covid.     

[maddenboy]

9 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

If you're a team that relies heavily on your star RB, then pay them.  

 

It's that simple.  . . .

but its kinda not.   that simple.

 

if you're a team that "relies heavily" on your RB making 8 million, but then you pay him 15 million (when you dont even have to), you're gonna have to lose talent-levels elsewhere (that 7M has to come from . . . somewhere). 

 

Which might mean that you, as a team, wont be able to "rely heavily" on your 15 million RB.   Because the blocking is less good, or there's 9 in the box because your WRs suck, or your defense is less good so now you have to pass more, etc.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

17 hours ago, Simon said:

God has blessed you with a body and skillset that enables you to become a multimillionaire just for playing a game and then retiring in your thirties, free and wealthy for the rest of your life.

But that's still not enough and the world owes you more.

Go hump some shingles, you spoiled rotten little brats.

And get off his lawn while you're at it

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:

Dang must be tough only making 10 million vs 20 million those poor poor football players

If your coworker made twice as much as you wouldn’t you complain? Doesn’t matter if you’re rich or not.

 

Like every job though you’re paid what you’re worth to those paying you.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Josh Jacobs is only 25.  Pollard is 26.  It’s a question currently being answered.

Neither one is currently a free agent.
 

so yes, the answer is they will be on a team.

 

even Dalvin Cook, who is 27 will end up signing with a team before the season starts most likely. 

[Bill from NYC]

5 hours ago, FireChans said:

The NFLPA argued for the rookie scale contract because they didn’t like vets getting out paid by rookies. 
 

The above is 100% true, however; things didn't work out the way that the NFLPA was hoping for. What happend was that the quarterbacks got almost all of the money that used to go to rookies. In many cases, older vets were and are being cut in order to pay quarterbacks. Their jobs are often taken by low paid rookies.

 

I agree that the RB position is less important than it ever was. Of course this is due to the rule changes. I understand this but I can also understand why the RBs are so angry. 

 

In the last 4 years, Ryan Tannehill has been paid approx. 96 million dollars. Derrick Henry made approx 40 million. I heard these numbers today on Sirius Radio. Daniel Jones recently signed a 4 year contract for 160 million. Reports of guaranteed money vary between 82 and 92 million. Now, who could possibly blame Henry or Barkley for being unhappy?

 

RBs are subject to extreme violence on almost every play. Their frustration under these circumstances is easy to understand but this is the way of the world. Macy's has closed many stores because folks are shopping on Amazon. Many of ones that remain open are getting decimated by shoplifters. It isn't fair, but such is life.

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

I think some of the issue is offensive line talent seems to be waning with the college game becoming all spread offenses.  I don’t think someone like saquon gets you much more value than an average rb when your team can’t run block to save their lives lol 

 

in the passing game a skill position player/qb can have a much bigger impact solo imo 

[PromoTheRobot]

Running backs need to go in strike.