Hollywood is collapsing

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 hours ago, Gregg said:

Good. These self-centered elite (only in their minds) hollyweird folk will now have to go get real jobs instead of making money playing in the make-believe world. As long as I have my NFL, CFB, NHL, and MLB then they can strike forever. The older shows are much better anyway than the crap that is made today.

sure, art is for pu$$ies...u all are pathetic cavemen

[Tommy Callahan]

3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

sure, art is for pu$$ies...u all are pathetic cavemen

been a long time since art was recognized in Hollywood. 

 

Its almost all re branding of old stories/narratives. Re boots.  

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

9 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

been a long time since art was recognized in Hollywood. 

 

Its almost all re branding of old stories/narratives. Re boots.  

 

 

plenty of art movies still being made.  Avoid the ones aimed at morons and produced to fund the artists real work.  This won an Oscar this year and is definitely art but you might not enjoy it

 

Edited July 18, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Tommy Callahan]

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

plenty of art movies still being made.  Avoid the ones aimed at morons and produced to fund the artists real work.  This won an Oscar this year and is definitely art but you might not enjoy it

 

The fact that won an Oscar, supports my comment. thanks.

 

"Due to their lack of creative labors, Netflix oped out of become a studio and went on the path of becoming a production company instead. This entitles the use of outside studios and their creative labors to create the content under Netflix’s name through contracts."

 

https://bgr.com/business/heres-why-the-dual-writers-and-actors-strike-will-probably-make-netflix-even-stronger/

 

 

Netflix has ways to stay profitable without using union labor or writers.

 

And remember when I said all they do is re boots and re makes?  Its Pinocchio

 

 

 

 

[Gregg]

17 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

sure, art is for pu$$ies...u all are pathetic cavemen

 

If I want to look at art I will go to a museum. What Hollyweird produces is crap not art. 

[Tommy Callahan]

Even notice the ones that say Hollywood is creative are referencing movies that are not even out yet.

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

 

Netflix has ways to stay profitable without using union labor or writers.

 

And remember when I said all they do is re boots and re makes?  Its Pinocchio

you really are dense.  It takes "creative types" to make art.  You think some accountant in a cubicle at netflix thinks this stuff up and then produces it.  Netflix will need to pay for the art.  The cost is currently being determined by the strike.  They will work it out.  It's a part of the fabric of America.  Transformers and Captain America included with Ben Hur and The Graduate.

3 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

Even notice the ones that say Hollywood is creative are referencing movies that are not even out yet.

 

 

wow.  you're so inquisitive!  streaming on netflix as we speak.

https://www.netflix.com/title/80218455

[Tommy Callahan]

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

you really are dense.

you really got the projecting thing down pat lately.  good job. 

 

who said an old dog cant learn.

 

you realize that union is only for the US?

 

 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

I think they’ll figure it out too. 
 

The woke thing gets thrown around so incessantly. 
 

I’m not an Avatar fan, the visuals are amazing but it’s super long and the plot makes no sense…but people were calling it “woke” even though there’s literally like a monologue at the end where the main dude is telling his son what it means to be a man and a protector. 
 

Are there actual woke-ish things out there? Sure, but it’s being picked apart to the point to the point of petty insanity. Not everything has chosen a political side. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Just now, Chris farley said:

you really got the projecting thing down pat lately.  good job. 

 

who said an old dog cant learn.

 

you realize that union is only for the US?

 

 

you realize an agreement will set precedent?  If an English filmmaker wants Ewan McGregor he'll have to pay similar money to what he would get in Hollywood.  Unless it's really great art 😃

[Joe Ferguson forever]

4 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

I think they’ll figure it out too. 
 

The woke thing gets thrown around so incessantly. 
 

I’m not an Avatar fan, the visuals are amazing but it’s super long and the plot makes no sense…but people were calling it “woke” even though there’s literally like a monologue at the end where the main dude is telling his son what it means to be a man and a protector. 
 

Are there actual woke-ish things out there? Sure, but it’s being picked apart to the point to the point of petty insanity. Not everything has chosen a political side. 

We walked out of the most recent Avatar.  Terrible movie.  But I love Guillermo Del Toro's stuff- Shape of Water is also amazing.  There's some good TV too.  Mentioned Mr's Maisel in another thread.  Loved The Crown and Downton Abbey.  Never at a loss for something to stream when I'm watching.

[Tommy Callahan]

5 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

you realize an agreement will set precedent?  If an English filmmaker wants Ewan McGregor he'll have to pay similar money to what he would get in Hollywood.  Unless it's really great art 😃

Equity is not on strike.  either is  FAI or other ones outside this country.

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

12 hours ago, B-Man said:

A case in point: Disney is re-making “Snow White.” The first question is, why? “Snow White” is a classic that will not be surpassed on its own terms

Why did Walt Disney make a movie of this grim (Grimm?) fairy tale in the first place? What was wrong with reading it to our children? Did Snow White the animated movie surpass the fairy tale on its own terms?

Oh. I see. It was to make money. 

So I looked up this John Hinderaker. 72 year old retired attorney.

Old man says all modern entertainment is crap. Well there's a shocker. I look forward to his upcoming essays: "Josh Allen couldn't carry Johnny Unitas' jockstrap" and "they don't make them like Mickey Mantle anymore."

What is the purpose of the New Snow White? To make money. If Disney miscalculated and it doesn't make money, well, then I guess Hinderaker should have sold his Disney stock. That's Disney's problem. Why Hinderaker is somehow offended by their (arguably bad) business decision is beyond me. 

But the Outrage Machine wants - demands! - something to be outraged about. I was outraged that Disney re-themed the Tower of Terror ride from The Twilight Zone to the more marketable Guardians of the Galaxy. You know what? Nobody cares. 

Edited July 18, 2023 by The Frankish Reich

[All_Pro_Bills]

19 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Why did Walt Disney make a movie of this grim (Grimm?) fairy tale in the first place? What was wrong with reading it to our children? Did Snow White the animated movie surpass the fairy tale on its own terms?

Oh. I see. It was to make money. 

So I looked up this John Hinderaker. 72 year old retired attorney.

Old man says all modern entertainment is crap. Well there's a shocker. I look forward to his upcoming essays: "Josh Allen couldn't carry Johnny Unitas' jockstrap" and "they don't make them like Mickey Mantle anymore."

What is the purpose of the New Snow White? To make money. If Disney miscalculated and it doesn't make money, well, then I guess Hinderaker should have sold his Disney stock. That's Disney's problem. Why Hinderaker is somehow offended by their (arguably bad) business decision is beyond me. 

But the Outrage Machine wants - demands! - something to be outraged about. I was outraged that Disney re-themed the Tower of Terror ride from The Twilight Zone to the more marketable Guardians of the Galaxy. You know what? Nobody cares. 

All valid points.  But I'd add that most of the DEI business decisions at companies are not driven to "make money" but rather to meet some internally and externally measured ESG score.  And the executives that push these actions don't care about profits.  They'll be long gone to their next big career opportunity at another firm or some non-profit organization gig.  Like the executive that parented that Bud Light marketing campaign.  A total disaster for the company but she'll surface somewhere at some point with a big promotion as a reward for pushing the agenda.  If not, why do it?  Out of principal and belief!  Ha, ha.  For the buckeroo's.

 

Otherwise, the remaking of traditional "white" stories into a "people of color" cast with various social undertones has lost its luster at the box office.  It was fresh and new about 15-20 years ago but now its a tired old formula. In this case Snow White is not white.  Did anyone notice?  The movie ticket buying public eventually catches on to these hustles.  Rather than recycling old stories with new casts the writers and script developers in Hollywood should use some of their brain power and imagination to come up with some original content featuring a diverse cast.  That might be a better product that viewers would shell out $20 to see. 

 

The other thing I'd like to mention is the act of "cultural appropriation".  I'm guessing its a one-way street.  It's okay to steal traditionally "white" stories and transform them into stories of diversity.  Nobody screams about that or maybe even realizes the point.  But what if somebody decided to make a Native American movie with all white actors comprising a tribe on the plains or an African tale of Zulu warriors?  I'm sure the outrage meter would go right past 10!   

[Joe Ferguson forever]

14 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The other thing I'd like to mention is the act of "cultural appropriation".  I'm guessing its a one-way street.  It's okay to steal traditionally "white" stories and transform them into stories of diversity.  Nobody screams about that or maybe even realizes the point.  But what if somebody decided to make a Native American movie with all white actors comprising a tribe on the plains or an African tale of Zulu warriors?  I'm sure the outrage meter would go right past 10!  

I'm betting you don't approve.  Too bad because it's a remarkable live production.  And really, Palestinians are probably closer in color to the actors here than those who traditionally play the roles.

 

[Pokebball]

2 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

I think they’ll figure it out too. 
 

The woke thing gets thrown around so incessantly. 
 

I’m not an Avatar fan, the visuals are amazing but it’s super long and the plot makes no sense…but people were calling it “woke” even though there’s literally like a monologue at the end where the main dude is telling his son what it means to be a man and a protector. 
 

Are there actual woke-ish things out there? Sure, but it’s being picked apart to the point to the point of petty insanity. Not everything has chosen a political side. 

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction

[Joe Ferguson forever]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

You would be mistaken (per usual)

 

God is not a 'color'

 

 

However Alice Cooper is a king.

 

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To your credit , you didn't mention cultural misappropriation. Glad you enjoyed it too!  Sara Bareilles is the best Mary Magdalene I've ever seen on screen.  Her solo at 9 mins here is stunning

 

[gobills404]

 

2 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

plenty of art movies still being made.  Avoid the ones aimed at morons and produced to fund the artists real work.  This won an Oscar this year and is definitely art but you might not enjoy it

 

That movie was great. It’s still just an adaptation of a story from the 1800s and one of the most remade movies of all time. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

I'm betting you don't approve.  Too bad because it's a remarkable live production.  And really, Palestinians are probably closer in color to the actors here than those who traditionally play the roles.

 

You're betting wrong because I don't care but you've skirted the core of my argument.  Well done sir...

 

Given no comeback I'll update and tell you why.  In your example I'm pretty certain the person was chosen for ability.  In the Snow White re-do they were chosen because of their appearance.  That's the point you avoided. 

Edited July 18, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills

[unbillievable]

The rest of world relied on Hollywood to make content in the past...

 

Now Americans will rely on the rest of the world to make content.

 

The success of shows like "Squid Game" should scare these strikers. There are viable studios all over the world now. How long will it take for the Billionaire studio producers to realize they don't need to listen to the Union? They can just take their money overseas.  Netflix already does...

 

Maybe that's why we were getting "Woke" movies. They wanted the public to hate Hollywood so the move overseas to cheaper productions would go smoother.