The Playcallers - A podcast that you need to hear

[MJS]

6 hours ago, Herc11 said:

 

McDaniel is an ex-college football player that couldn't make it at the next level. He's also considered to be the biggest nerd of these new football coaches that you speak of. Guess what? Kyle Shanahan and Mcvay both were as well. 

 

Your view of McDermott is just biased with your dislike of his personality.

 

6 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Haven't both McVay and Shanahan been the primary play callers for the Rams and 49ers for the majority of the last several seasons? They have both had a lot of success. 

Exactly. Everything they are accusing McDermott of doing or being is EXACTLY what all these coaches that they are swooning over are and do. The blindness in these "fans" is hilarious.

[Thurman#1]

18 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Yeah right; he's an ex-college football player who didn't have the skill to get to the next level.

 

Any idea how many classes he actually attended?  Any idea of his grades?  Did he graduate with a degree?

 

Ever listen to him speak in a live interaction setting where he is not delivering off-the-shelf phrases and prepared answers?

If you are suggesting he could have done anything with his intellect, I have to disagree with you.

 

And by the way, I don't particularly like McDermott as our coach or as an individual; he's totally NOT my kind of guy.

 

So there is probably some anti-McClappington stuff coming out in almost any of my posts concerning him.

 

It's called bias.

 

😂

 

Anyway, if you think the collective coaching body of the NFL is a bunch of really smart guys, you're mistaken.

 

This is one reason why BB reigns supreme over all of theme; he's actually smart.

 

 

 

 

Seriously? That's just ridiculous. It's evidence that you are indeed running here on confirmation bias. You are using the fact that you DON'T know his grades as evidence that he's not really smart. On the face of it, that is next-level dumb.

 

Oh, and yes he graduated, with a degree in "Business Finance." He also earned Academic All-Conference at William and Mary in '96 and '97.

 

Being an ex-football player - whether or not you have the skill to get to the next level - doesn't mean you're not absolutely brilliant.

 

Look at Whizzer White, Duvernay-Tardif, Alan Page, Eisenhower, Jeffrey Immelt, Sam Palmisano, Brian Moynihan. There was a guy from Buffalo, an OL who looked good in the NFL for a year or two who quit the NFL to become a math prof. Who was he? Urschel, that's it. Buzz Aldrin. Pat Haden. The list goes on and on and on.

 

Belichick was also an "ex-college football player who didn't have the skill to get to the next level." McVay too. How come that counts against McDermott for you but not against Belichick or McVay? And does Belichick speak like a rocket scientist? Remind me.

 

 

EDIT: The podcast does sound interesting. I'll try to take a look. Thanks for bringing it up.

 

 

Edited July 17, 2023 by Thurman#1

[Dan Darragh]

On 7/15/2023 at 10:14 PM, Limeaid said:

 

Not interested in installing iTunes to listen to this.   I dislike companies trying to make decisions for you.

I have enough issues with medical insurance company telling me I need to use a medical device because it is on their list even though it caused problems for me in past.  Skipping monitoring for a year rather than following their instructions and will change insurance next year.

You can download this from any podcast service.  I use BeyondPod and can access everything, for free.

Edited July 17, 2023 by Dan Darragh

[Doc Brown]

16 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Are they gonna do a series about the defensive gurus in the league?

Probably but it will premier on the History channel.

[eball]

20 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

And by the way, I don't particularly like McDermott as our coach or as an individual; he's totally NOT my kind of guy

 

Thank you.  I now know to pretty much ignore anything you say about McD due to your clear and admitted bias.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

21 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

And by the way, I don't particularly like McDermott as our coach or as an individual; he's totally NOT my kind of guy.

 

So there is probably some anti-McClappington stuff coming out in almost any of my posts concerning him.

 

It's called bias.

 

I sort of respect you acknowledging that. It is kind of where I was with Rex. Even if he had of been a successful Bills coach I'd have struggled to ever really warm to him. Personality wise he is not my type of person at all and when I come into contact with "Rex Ryan types" in normal life I make sure to keep them at arms length as much as possible. There are elements of McDermott's personality that irritate me.... starting post-game press conferences thanking God before thanking the players who slogged their guts out for 60 minutes winds me up as an atheist fan and if I was an atheist player would really grate with me. But broadly his professional, process driven approach really accords with how I lead and how I work. We all gravitate towards people who are like us. That is human nature. The best we can do is acknowledge that at times it will influence our decision making and make sure there are some safeguards and challenge functions in place. 

[Dopey]

21 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Yeah right; he's an ex-college football player who didn't have the skill to get to the next level.

 

Any idea how many classes he actually attended?  Any idea of his grades?  Did he graduate with a degree?

 

Ever listen to him speak in a live interaction setting where he is not delivering off-the-shelf phrases and prepared answers?

If you are suggesting he could have done anything with his intellect, I have to disagree with you.

 

And by the way, I don't particularly like McDermott as our coach or as an individual; he's totally NOT my kind of guy.

 

So there is probably some anti-McClappington stuff coming out in almost any of my posts concerning him.

 

It's called bias.

 

😂

 

Anyway, if you think the collective coaching body of the NFL is a bunch of really smart guys, you're mistaken.

 

This is one reason why BB reigns supreme over all of theme; he's actually smart.

 

 

Yes. With a degree you said smart people could obtain. Finance. According to wiki He also received Academic all-conference honors in 1996 and 1997
Anti-Mclappington!?!

WOW!!

[GunnerBill]

22 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

It's available at about 20 websites.   

I've finished the first 3 episodes now.  

 

Here's my takeaway: in another 10 years, football teams will not be coached by "traditional football guys" like McDermott.

 

They will be coached by really smart people who 30 years ago would have gone into medicine, engineering, law, finance, whatever.

 

Right now, there's a huge advantage to be gained by loading your team with the young smart ones and getting rid of the old ones.

 

Or, better, keep them around for teaching fundamentals; but you don't actually need to be a "Football guy" or know how to "properly block" to scheme an offense.  It's a different type of task entirely.

 

Regarding multi-tasking, I have commented on this in a bunch of threads here and there over the last year or so.

 

I honestly think the future will be for the traditional HC position to be broken down into 2 or 3 jobs; it's too much for 1 man the way the modern game is played.

 

That might be a good thread topic some time.

 

 

 

I agree with a lot of this but don't think McDermott is some traditional football meathead that you seem to think he is. That is your bias showing.

 

But on the broader point it has already happened to an extent with soccer. If you go back 30 years or so pretty much the only route to being a soccer coach was to be a retired professional soccer player. While that remains a majority nowadays you have guys who have been professional coaches since their teens and have worked just at coaching, you have guys who were in other professions first and then came to coaching later.... most of them played soccer at some level as a youth but there are lots of routes now beyond being a big name ex-player and the success of Jose Mourinho - interpreter turned elite manager - really opened a lot of doors for others. 

[Buffalo Streaker]

On 7/15/2023 at 3:14 PM, Limeaid said:

 

Not interested in installing iTunes to listen to this.   I dislike companies trying to make decisions for you.

I have enough issues with medical insurance company telling me I need to use a medical device because it is on their list even though it caused problems for me in past.  Skipping monitoring for a year rather than following their instructions and will change insurance next year.

I'm sure all this extraneous information will make sense later on.

[Alphadawg7]

On 7/15/2023 at 7:00 AM, ChevyVanMiller said:

It also has me a bit worried about our coaching and if we are able to keep up with these kids that eat, sleep and drink the game 24/7.
 

Curious…What makes you think our staff doesn’t eat, sleep, and drink the game 24/7?  Everything we know about guys like McD, Dorsey, etc is that they very much do themselves.  
 

Edited July 17, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[LABILLBACKER]

6 hours ago, eball said:

 

Thank you.  I now know to pretty much ignore anything you say about McD due to your clear and admitted bias.

 

 

It's amazing how sacrilegious it is around here to give McD even the smallest amount of criticism. 13 seconds was Farwell's fault.....13 seconds was Leslie's fault...Sean is the greatest regular season HC in Bills history....on and on.....

 

 

Edited July 17, 2023 by LABILLBACKER

[Mr. WEO]

McVay really doesn't belong in the same sentence as Kyle Shanahan.

[ChevyVanMiller]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Curious…What makes you think our staff doesn’t eat, sleep, and drink the game 24/7?  Everything we know about guys like McD, Dorsey, etc is that they very much do themselves.  
 

I’m hoping that is correct. But when you listen to the podcast, and see the level that these other guys are taking it to, I just hope that Dorsey, in particular, shows that same level of commitment the season.

[eball]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

It's amazing how sacrilegious it is around here to give McD even the smallest amount of criticism. 13 seconds was Farwell's fault.....13 seconds was Leslie's fault...Sean is the greatest regular season HC in Bills history....on and on.....

 

 

What are you even talking about? The dude has a personal bias against McD and openly admitted it.  We're not talking about reasonable criticism of coaching decisions.

 

 

[Franco_92]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

It's amazing how sacrilegious it is around here to give McD even the smallest amount of criticism. 13 seconds was Farwell's fault.....13 seconds was Leslie's fault...Sean is the greatest regular season HC in Bills history....on and on.....

 

 

Jesus ***** christ what are you talking about

 

I have to leave this place for days at a time because all I ever read is people criticizing mcd and it's so boring

 

Where is this imaginary place where all the annoying posters don't exist, I yearn for it

[Alphadawg7]

26 minutes ago, ChevyVanMiller said:

I’m hoping that is correct. But when you listen to the podcast, and see the level that these other guys are taking it to, I just hope that Dorsey, in particular, shows that same level of commitment the season.

 

Thanks for the heads up on the podcast, I just downloaded the episodes and had been looking for a new one for my walks with my dog.  Look forward to checking it out  

 

As far as the other stuff, McD has long been known to be obsessive about the game, so I don't think its fair to assume he is not.  Honestly, when I read your comment it kind of came across like offensive background coaches vs defensive background coaches bias.  Not saying that was your motivation, and I haven't listened to the podcast, but that was why I asked you about where that thought came from.  Especially given McD is known to be highly detailed and obsessive himself.  

[Big Blitz]

It’s not as good as I’d thought.  Only heard episode 2 I thought someone said that was the best one.   
 

Thought I would hear Shanny and McVay talk ball but it’s mostly a rehash of their stories and eventual hires as HC.  Didn’t need to hear about how Shanny got the Falcons to a Super Bowl.  I didn’t learn anything new.  “They know offense.  McVay said they’d have used more 2 TE but Cooper Kupp needed to be on the field.  Let’s still run 12 personnel looks/plays out of our actual 11 personnel players.” 
 

Shanny explained why he blew that 28-3 lead with the worst excuse of all time.  “I’m aggressive by nature.”  That’s awesome Shanny.  Situation called for you to not be - long term be aggressive overall especially if it’s a 1 or 2 score game…..but with 17 minutes left up by 25 use your brain and not put Matt Ryan in position to get sacked out of FG range and to not kill clock.  
 

Also the host is annoying.  
 

 

The only interesting thing I got was if not for a snowstorm, McVay may have never been hired by the Rams.   

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Shanny explained why he blew that 28-3 lead with the worst excuse of all time.  “I’m aggressive by nature.”  That’s awesome Shanny.  Situation called for you to not be - long term be aggressive overall especially if it’s a 1 or 2 score game…..but with 17 minutes left up by 25 use your brain and not put Matt Ryan in position to get sacked out of FG range and to not kill clock.  

 

I think Shanny is the best offensive coordinator (and I use that term for its actual meaning not in terms of the job role it is attached to on the org chart) and the best offensive mind in football but his playcalling has blown two Superbowls. In that Chiefs Superbowl they abandoned the run in the 4th quarter it was just odd. The Atlanta screw up has been done to death. That was every it as bad of a single coaching decision as 13 seconds. 

[Nextmanup]

Finished the whole series and really enjoyed it.  

Thanks again to Chevy!

 

👍

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

They really need to introduce each speaker before they speak. It gets confusing.