Nextmanup Posted July 12, 2023 Posted July 12, 2023 17 hours ago, Gregg said: When Ray Guy got in the HOF, I thought that would open the door for ST players. Tasker should get in IMHO. Look at the lack of logic here: NFL head coaches LOVE to say "special teams is 1/3 of the game" (which of course is idiotic and wrong) but if they think that's true, and the "game" thinks that's true...then why is it you can't allow a special teamer into the HOF? I guess the argument is he doesn't play enough or have enough impact on the game. So which is it? Are special teams important or not important? I'm not suggesting they bring 1 special teamer into the HOF every freaking year....but when you are the best of them all, all time, you should be in the HOF. 1 1 Quote
RyanC883 Posted July 12, 2023 Posted July 12, 2023 too few years. He could have fallen off a cliff. If a good start to your career as a QB is all it takes, then just retire after the first couple of years and make the HOF. Horrible precedent. People like Marino, Kelly, Montana, etc. put it a lot of elite years to make it. Quote
Gregg Posted July 12, 2023 Author Posted July 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Look at the lack of logic here: NFL head coaches LOVE to say "special teams is 1/3 of the game" (which of course is idiotic and wrong) but if they think that's true, and the "game" thinks that's true...then why is it you can't allow a special teamer into the HOF? I guess the argument is he doesn't play enough or have enough impact on the game. So which is it? Are special teams important or not important? I'm not suggesting they bring 1 special teamer into the HOF every freaking year....but when you are the best of them all, all time, you should be in the HOF. ST are important enough. Good ST play can flip the field on a punt coverage, punt return as well as a KO coverage/return. Then you have blocked punts, extra points. I thought when Ray Guy got in it would open the door for more ST players. If it does, then Tasker should be one of the guys to get in the HOF. Quote
The Jokeman Posted July 12, 2023 Posted July 12, 2023 17 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said: Terrell davis got in with the same number of years. But I don't think there is any chance Luck gets in. Not even if he gets lucky....the way he walked away I think is preceived a certain way even if it is unfair. Comparing his number to Allen....Luck completed 60.8% of his passes which would be considered bad today. His won/loss record was just above 500. I dont see mind boggling.....yes high for first few seasons but when you consider the changes in the game its not as impressive. Allen beats him in TD%, INT%, rushing...they are tied in Y/A. Both are 4-4 in playoffs but Lucks postseason stats blow, he threw more INT's than TD's. Comparing him to Allen has no bearing on HOF but he is not HOF worthy at all. If he put up 15 seasons, maybe. I agree. Davis helped Denver win/make Super Bowls and put up record breaking numbers, I can't say Luck did this. Luck was a good QB but not great or elite so to me far far from the HOF. Quote
buffblue Posted July 12, 2023 Posted July 12, 2023 One thing is for certain, he had a HOF caliber neckbeard Quote
Nextmanup Posted July 12, 2023 Posted July 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, buffblue said: One thing is for certain, he had a HOF caliber neckbeard His weird voice was definitely NOT HOF material however. I don't get caught (other than with Tasker!) in the HOF argument. For the most part, I don't care, especially with non-Bills. Having said that, my immediate reaction to the idea of Luck going to the Hall is "NO, just not quite there." I'll leave it at that. Quote
Uncle Monkeyhead Posted July 12, 2023 Posted July 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, Gregg said: Speaking of QB's stats. Here is one. The two Matt’s on that list……did not expect that. More than Kelly, Staubach and Moon. Wow. Quote
Matt_In_NH Posted July 12, 2023 Posted July 12, 2023 14 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: I agree. Davis helped Denver win/make Super Bowls and put up record breaking numbers, I can't say Luck did this. Luck was a good QB but not great or elite so to me far far from the HOF. My opinion on Davis (I know it is unpopular) is that I would not have voted him into the HOF. Great 7th round talent and all but he had the benefit of one of the great OL's in history and they chop blocked the crap out of defenses which is all illegal nowadays. I agree he got in due to his whole body of work including two superbowls but on most other teams, I think he is more ordinary. Quote
Gregg Posted July 12, 2023 Author Posted July 12, 2023 Just now, Uncle Monkeyhead said: The two Matt’s on that list……did not expect that. More than Kelly, Staubach and Moon. Wow. You know what a better question would be then will Luck get into the HOF is will Eli. He had a good career with the Giants and won two Super Bowls both against the evil empire. One of those was stopping a 19-0 season. I don't see Luck getting in but Eli that could go either way. 1 Quote
JerseyBills Posted July 12, 2023 Posted July 12, 2023 18 hours ago, GoBills808 said: this is the Allen comp, not Cam How so? Luck had nowhere near the mobility Allen has. Maybe a combination of both. Quote
DCofNC Posted July 12, 2023 Posted July 12, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gregg said: Luck wasn't bad. Injuries cut his career short. If he played a full career, he could have had a shot at making the HOF. This isn't a Sam Darnold or Zach Wilson type of situation where he was a bust. Not saying he was bad, but he was never dominant, even for a season, they won nothing and he quit after 6 years. There is no place for that in the HOF. Look, if Maholmes quit tomorrow, I’d still say he deserves a look. His numbers are insane, he’s got titles etc. Luck has nothing. Edited July 12, 2023 by DCofNC 1 Quote
Mister Defense Posted July 12, 2023 Posted July 12, 2023 (edited) This is likely not even up for debate--no way does Luck make it to the Hall of Fame, retiring before he was 30 years old! And just before the season began. He took his $100 million and ran. His call, of course, but unequivocally not a Hall of Famer! Edited July 12, 2023 by Mister Defense Quote
Ethan in Cleveland Posted July 12, 2023 Posted July 12, 2023 8 hours ago, Doc Brown said: It's a fascinating draft class in 2004 (besides Losman). Rivers, Roethlisberger, and Eli each played at least 16 years and their games played are really close. Rivers started 240, Roethlisberger 247, and Eli with 234. Rivers has eight pro bowls, Roethlisberger has six, and Eli has four. Rivers and Roethlisberger are better by a healthy margin over Eli in passer rating, passing yards, passing TD's, and completion percentage. Rivers is just a tiny bit better than Roethlisberger in all of those categories except passing yards but they're really close. Eli is noticeably behind in all categories. Then you have the playoff and Super Bowl success category. Eli won two of two Super Bowls against the dynasty Patriots winning Super Bowl MVP both times. Roethlisberger won two Super Bowls (not an MVP though in either game) and lost one. The farthest Rivers ever got was an AFC Championship game. However, the Chargers weren't as stable as a franchise as the Steelers and Giants so how much do you put the lack of postseason success on him. I would definitely put Roethlisberger in, probably put Rivers in, and leave Eli out. I tend to lean more to overall stats though above postseason success because wins aren't a QB stat. ' I agree Eli is not a HOF talent but a two time SB winning QB with several highlight throws in the SuperBowl will get him in. He's probably a virtual lock. Maybe not forts ballot but doubt he waits more than one year. Quote
DCofNC Posted July 12, 2023 Posted July 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: I agree Eli is not a HOF talent but a two time SB winning QB with several highlight throws in the SuperBowl will get him in. He's probably a virtual lock. Maybe not forts ballot but doubt he waits more than one year. I think you are right, that said if he didn’t have the name, I’m not sure he has more than a Sam Bradford career. There were far more reasons to bench him than consider him a HOF QB, but here we are. 1 Quote
gonzo1105 Posted July 12, 2023 Posted July 12, 2023 Didn't play long enough and didn't win any rings. Shouldn't get in the Hall sorry. Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted July 12, 2023 Posted July 12, 2023 Absolutely not. If Luck makes it then Fitz absolutely should make it. 1 Quote
Bob Jones Posted July 12, 2023 Posted July 12, 2023 21 hours ago, Jon in Pasadena said: He can go into the "Hall of Fame of Players Who Had a Great First 6 Years in the League" Right next to Tony Boselli? Oh, wait…..😂 Quote
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