4 cut candidates on Bills’ roster ahead of NFL training camp

[BillsFan130]

9 hours ago, Rico said:

I don’t know about being an early cut, but I do think this is Morse’s last year in Buffalo, maybe Tre White’s as well.

Morse I agree.

 

Tre, I’m pretty sure they are stuck with him for at least a couple more seasons as they did a re structure with him not too long ago

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, JohnNord said:

I 100% get the logic with the back-to-back DE’s in 2021.  At the time, the Bills had two age DE’s on the final years of their contract.  Epinesa had kind of a “meh” rookie season.  
 

The idea was bring the DE’s along slowly which would groom them for a starting role in 2022.   I think the hope was that atleast 2/3 DE’s would develope enough to give them a good.  pass rush - but it was clear that wasn’t going to be the case.  

 

I think that Rosseau has proved to be a solid competent starting DE - though he hasn’t shown dominant pass rush skills consistently.   Big year for him.  
 

Epinesa appears to be a decent rotational DE who can play special teams.  Not really what you want from a 2nd round pick.  
 

Boogie can’t even get on the field, so I don’t have high expectations for him.  
 

The approach of drafting DE’s wasn’t a bad one - but 2/3 selections were

Yes, Boogie will be the first one shown the door. They'll likely keep AJE one more season cause he's a cheap rotational guy who can get ya 5-6 sacks. Groot absolutely must take that next step because Miller/Floyd won't be around long term. 

[benderbender]

Beane didn't get to where he is by cutting people he could trade. Hines is worth more now that when we have up Moss and a 6th for him. There were only 6 KR TDs last year and Hines had 2 of them. He's not getting cut. 

[PrimeTime101]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

What was Morse's PFF score in 2021?  Who were the star G's around him?

Sir i do not have pff any more. i believe his base was in low to mid 60's but you know who his guards were by him and how bad they were....

[Mr. WEO]

9 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Sir i do not have pff any more. i believe his base was in low to mid 60's but you know who his guards were by him and how bad they were....

 

they were much better in 2021?

[PrimeTime101]

11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

they were much better in 2021?

Do you have a point man? I mean... to answer your question, I would say the quality was the same depending on who played. Saffold was a mess and got beat often when he started. It just depended who was on the field but I am sure your point is that if the quality was the same and Morse got worse why would we blame the guards. And to the answer to that was poor quality starters depending on the week of the season. 

 

The degression of the line had much to do with when Saffold was starting and if you cant agree with me on that, then these numbers do not lie. BASE PFF for Saffold last year? 43.7 overall, 10 penalties (6th in the league)

 

You have a guy like that starting next to your Center, it most certainly does effect the Centers ability to do his job. 

.Not taking the double teams properly against 1 tech

.Not sliding to one side or another to support as he should.

the list could go on. 

 

And for people that think Bates was good or even average on the other side? His base pff was 61.8. Obviously better then Saffold but nothing great right?  And speaking of OLINE Men on the decline? Bates was 67.5 in 2020 and went down to 61.8 and if that is not enough for you? Dawkins went from a 78.1 in 2020 to a 73.5 in 22. Guys around you matter when it comes to the Lines. 

 

I do not know how else to answer your vague questions then this.  

[Doc Brown]

12 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Latavius Murray

Running back Latavius Murray is likewise a cut candidate despite being signed in the offseason. He currently sits third on the pecking order behind James Cook and Damien Harris. Murray has a high salary cap hit of $3.5 million, and the Bills have a crowded backfield. Take note that the Bills typically have four running backs on their roster, but one of those spots went to Taiwan Jones, who primarily played special teams. Latavius Murray has not played much special teams later in his career, so he may not fit that role.

(I can see this happening but they need bodies for camp. And i find that funny considering the next player on the list.)

Am I missing something as spotrac has Murray as counting only $1.09 million against the cap with $152k signing bonus?  We only save about $210k by cutting him.

[Utah John]

The Bills do have a safety who's played for them in the past few years but who always seemed to be a little too slow and often out of position.  His name is Damar Hamlin.  But could the Bills really cut Saint Damar?

[PrimeTime101]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Am I missing something as spotrac has Murray as counting only $1.09 million against the cap with $152k signing bonus?  We only save about $210k by cutting him.

no you are not... and again... This is another example of why we should not listen to media.. cause this will now be considered a source for another media outlet and thats how bs spreads. 

[Yantha]

I think that the article in the OP is really off.......  I'll just touch on the RB point and then add my own speculation: 

Damien Harris has a very hard time with injuries, and I think that Murray needs to stay on as insurance.  Hines is one to watch despite the relatively recent signing.  Might come down to emerging talent at KR/PR, but I still like him on the 53...

 

Personally I think AJ Epenesa is someone who might be battling to keep a spot.  I think he's done in Buffalo with Leonard Floyd here, and Von coming back at some point in the season.  We're good at DE without Epenesa, and I'd like to give his spot to a player with upside (watch DT DJ Dale in preseason).  Epenesa's ceiling is well known....

Edited July 11, 2023 by Yantha

[Doc Brown]

50 minutes ago, Utah John said:

The Bills do have a safety who's played for them in the past few years but who always seemed to be a little too slow and often out of position.  His name is Damar Hamlin.  But could the Bills really cut Saint Damar?

Weird swipe at Damar but they're not going to cut a quality backup who will now have three years in their system at a cost controlled rookie deal.

[JoPoy88]

15 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:

Damar got injured in the playoffs?

drives me crazy too. These guys can’t get basic facts right.

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Morse I agree.

 

Tre, I’m pretty sure they are stuck with him for at least a couple more seasons as they did a re structure with him not too long ago

 

Only $10m dead for Tre after this year. Designated as post June and split in two that is very affordable. If he doesn't look good this year he is done after the season. 

4 hours ago, Yantha said:

I think that the article in the OP is really off.......  I'll just touch on the RB point and then add my own speculation: 

Damien Harris has a very hard time with injuries, and I think that Murray needs to stay on as insurance.  Hines is one to watch despite the relatively recent signing.  Might come down to emerging talent at KR/PR, but I still like him on the 53...

 

Personally I think AJ Epenesa is someone who might be battling to keep a spot.  I think he's done in Buffalo with Leonard Floyd here, and Von coming back at some point in the season.  We're good at DE without Epenesa, and I'd like to give his spot to a player with upside (watch DT DJ Dale in preseason).  Epenesa's ceiling is well known....

 

No way they are cutting AJE. He had his best season last year, actually post Von was our most effective rusher and is still cheap as chips on the final year of his rookie deal. Groot, Von, Floyd and AJE are nailed on as our top 4 edge guys IMO. 

[CSBill]

18 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Boogie for sure. AJ I think they'll keep. 

 

I think it's the opposite. They are equal in their edge play, but Boogie can play inside, and AJ is Aaron Maybin repackaged.

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Do you have a point man? I mean... to answer your question, I would say the quality was the same depending on who played. Saffold was a mess and got beat often when he started. It just depended who was on the field but I am sure your point is that if the quality was the same and Morse got worse why would we blame the guards. And to the answer to that was poor quality starters depending on the week of the season. 

 

The degression of the line had much to do with when Saffold was starting and if you cant agree with me on that, then these numbers do not lie. BASE PFF for Saffold last year? 43.7 overall, 10 penalties (6th in the league)

 

You have a guy like that starting next to your Center, it most certainly does effect the Centers ability to do his job. 

.Not taking the double teams properly against 1 tech

.Not sliding to one side or another to support as he should.

the list could go on. 

 

And for people that think Bates was good or even average on the other side? His base pff was 61.8. Obviously better then Saffold but nothing great right?  And speaking of OLINE Men on the decline? Bates was 67.5 in 2020 and went down to 61.8 and if that is not enough for you? Dawkins went from a 78.1 in 2020 to a 73.5 in 22. Guys around you matter when it comes to the Lines. 

 

I do not know how else to answer your vague questions then this.  

 

 

I was asking if Morse's PFF/performance dropped off last year solely because of the guards, as you claimed.  Showing me the delta form the year before re: Morse's PFF  and that of his previous guards would have been a strong way to demonstrate your point.  

 

 

 

[DJB]

For the past two seasons I keep seeing articles and posters saying “cut Morse”

 

Hes our best oline man and the key to success up front and everyone wants to cut him

 

Makes no sense 

[PrimeTime101]

31 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

I was asking if Morse's PFF/performance dropped off last year solely because of the guards, as you claimed.  Showing me the delta form the year before re: Morse's PFF  and that of his previous guards would have been a strong way to demonstrate your point.  

 

 

 

accept if you read what I said, i did that already. 

[The Frankish Reich]

21 hours ago, The Avenger said:

I like Mitch and don't think he'd be cut for performance reasons - not an all-pro but decent enough to start here. I just worry about his health - he could be one concussion away from retirement and I'd hate for that to happen. Part if me was a little surprised he's playing this year - really thought he might hang it up after last season.

I think ideally the Bills would've won the Super Bowl and Mitch would've walked away. 

He seems like a great person with a lot of commitments outside the game. It would be awful to see another concussion dictating the decision for him.

[JoPoy88]

9 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Am I missing something as spotrac has Murray as counting only $1.09 million against the cap with $152k signing bonus?  We only save about $210k by cutting him.

 

8 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

no you are not... and again... This is another example of why we should not listen to media.. cause this will now be considered a source for another media outlet and thats how bs spreads. 

Yep - pay attention to the source. For example the author of this story is one “Enzo Flojo.” Enzo here is based in the Philippines and appears to be mostly concerned with FIBA basketball, according to his twitter account. He’s probably some kid in a blog farm in Manila cranking these things out for MSN at $0.25 a pop. 
 

I wish people would do a little bit of research on the author before posting these things here, but I know that’s too much to ask. 

Edited July 11, 2023 by JoPoy88

[GunnerBill]

26 minutes ago, DJB said:

For the past two seasons I keep seeing articles and posters saying “cut Morse”

 

Hes our best oline man and the key to success up front and everyone wants to cut him

 

Makes no sense 

 

Dawkins is our best lineman. But Morse is a solid center. Good in pass pro, less so in run blocking. I would not support cutting him.