Rochester Bar Bill Tavern - Opened Yesterday (7/7/23) - Thoughts?

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, teef said:

i'm hoping it's just growing pains as others have mentioned.  i'll still go, but i'm not as interested as i once was.

 

Yeah, pretty much my take as well.  

 

 

[Dablitzkrieg]

The food was horrible according to my wife and her friend. (For what it's worth)

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Hot-ish take: Any wing properly cooked in a fryer (350 degrees for 13-15 minutes) will taste great coated in a good sauce. 99% of the wing joints in Buffalo know this. They all taste pretty much the same.

[Bob Jones]

19 minutes ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

Hot-ish take: Any wing properly cooked in a fryer (350 degrees for 13-15 minutes) will taste great coated in a good sauce. 99% of the wing joints in Buffalo know this. They all taste pretty much the same.

I agree, but one thing I’d add is that there definitely are variations on the “meatiness”….the size, of a chicken wing. Some are more meaty than others, and obviously, you want the meaty ones.

[Bobby Hooks]

59 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

I agree, but one thing I’d add is that there definitely are variations on the “meatiness”….the size, of a chicken wing. Some are more meaty than others, and obviously, you want the meaty ones.

See… I think there’s a fine line. I want a good amount of meat on my wings but I’ve definitely had some (mostly drumsticks) that have had too much meat. 
 

They’re like super veiny and gross me out. 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

1 hour ago, Bob Jones said:

I agree, but one thing I’d add is that there definitely are variations on the “meatiness”….the size, of a chicken wing. Some are more meaty than others, and obviously, you want the meaty ones.

 

Too much meat is not a good thing. I'd prefer a smaller wing over a huge wing as I am eating wings for the flavor of the sauce, not the flavor of the bird. 

 

An average-sized wing is preferred IMO.

[Doc]

It's unbelievable that this:

 

 

Costs more than this: 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[teef]

1 hour ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

Hot-ish take: Any wing properly cooked in a fryer (350 degrees for 13-15 minutes) will taste great coated in a good sauce. 99% of the wing joints in Buffalo know this. They all taste pretty much the same.

i tend to find out which places are better at wings when i order them extra crispy.  if they tell me it's going to take some random amount of time extra to cook...they're doing it the right way.  my understanding is to really get them extra crispy, you cook them at 350 for the 15, take them out, let he oil get back up to heat, and cook them again.  it takes time vs just leaving them in for a bit longer where they really never get that much crispier.  

[PBF81]

22 minutes ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

 

Too much meat is not a good thing. I'd prefer a smaller wing over a huge wing as I am eating wings for the flavor of the sauce, not the flavor of the bird. 

 

An average-sized wing is preferred IMO.

 

That's it right there!  10+ years ago they were a good size.  Then everyone got all amped up about bigger wings and they started breeding 'em differently.  

 

If they're too big you take a bite or two and all the surface crunchiness is gone and all you've got left is white chicken on a stick.  Not much difference between that and a boneless breast piece of chicken.  

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

I mean it's Rochester, you can't expect good food there.  

[PBF81]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

i tend to find out which places are better at wings when i order them extra crispy.  if they tell me it's going to take some random amount of time extra to cook...they're doing it the right way.  my understanding is to really get them extra crispy, you cook them at 350 for the 15, take them out, let he oil get back up to heat, and cook them again.  it takes time vs just leaving them in for a bit longer where they really never get that much crispier.  

 

Leaning towards how Belgian (European) Pommes (fries) are cooked.  

 

I'll have to try that at home sometime.  

 

 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, teef said:

i tend to find out which places are better at wings when i order them extra crispy.  if they tell me it's going to take some random amount of time extra to cook...they're doing it the right way.  my understanding is to really get them extra crispy, you cook them at 350 for the 15, take them out, let he oil get back up to heat, and cook them again.  it takes time vs just leaving them in for a bit longer where they really never get that much crispier.  

Yea 13-15 min at 350 will cook a wing 

 

But if you want extra crispy... I'll drop it for 12 minutes... Pop it up...

 

Then drop it down for another 5-6

[WEATHER DOT COM]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Yea 13-15 min at 350 will cook a wing 

 

But if you want extra crispy... I'll drop it for 12 minutes... Pop it up...

 

Then drop it down for another 5-6

 

Yep yep - that is the extra crispy trick.

 

A lot of people think that grilling a wing after it is fried will increase the crispiness. That is the opposite of true - a grilled wing will add char but reduce the overall crispiness of the wing.

[PBF81]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Yea 13-15 min at 350 will cook a wing 

 

But if you want extra crispy... I'll drop it for 12 minutes... Pop it up...

 

Then drop it down for another 5-6

 

Also depends upon the size of the fryer and how many wings are packed into it.  

 

I've found that spreading them out cooks them better and more quickly.   IOW, instead of cramming 18 wings into a fryer without much space left, try 10 or 12, they'll fry up faster and get crispier more quickly, and I've found that they actually cook faster (more per hour) that way.  

 

 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

 

Yep yep - that is the extra crispy trick.

 

A lot of people think that grilling a wing after it is fried will increase the crispiness. That is the opposite of true - a grilled wing will add char but reduce the overall crispiness of the wing.

Yea char bbw wings are amazing ..  but the char does the opposite of crisp

 

People don't realize that lol

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Yea char bbw wings are amazing ..  but the char does the opposite of crisp

 

People don't realize that lol

 

It seems counterintuitive but it is true. I spent a better part of most of my college years cooking wings at a bar every other night. I like to think I am somewhat of an expert at this.

 

Nothing would irk me more than someone complaining their wings were not crispy enough after they ordered them to be grilled.

[teef]

5 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Leaning towards how Belgian (European) Pommes (fries) are cooked.  

 

I'll have to try that at home sometime.  

 

 

i didn't realize that.  i've just started getting the cut wings at wegmans and cooking them at home.  i roll them in vegetable oil, salt and chipotle seasoning and cook them in a pizza oven.  it's a good mix of crispy and roasty.

[Buffalo716]

16 minutes ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

 

It seems counterintuitive but it is true. I spent a better part of most of my college years cooking wings at a bar every other night. I like to think I am somewhat of an expert at this.

 

Nothing would irk me more than someone complaining their wings were not crispy enough after they ordered them to be grilled.

My cousin owns a pizzeria in the city so I also have been around a deep fryer 😅🤩

 

And yea people asking for xx crispy char pit is counterintuitive 

Edited August 7, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Virgil]

Having been to the one in Buffalo a few times and believing they are the best wing place I've ever had, I'm looking forward to eating there over the next few nights.  I'll be sure to post my thoughts

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, teef said:

i didn't realize that.  i've just started getting the cut wings at wegmans and cooking them at home.  i roll them in vegetable oil, salt and chipotle seasoning and cook them in a pizza oven.  it's a good mix of crispy and roasty.

 

You can cut 'em yourself too, it's easy.   They cost a lot less that way.  If money's no object, yeah, just buy 'em cut.  Those generally are pretty good sized Wings.  

 

If you're pizza oven is a convection oven that's a pretty good way to cook 'em.  Air fryers, aka convection ovens, are also good.  

 

I prefer deep-frying mine in lard, much healthier that way, they also taste better and don't stick together like they do when I fry them in soybean oil/vegetable oil.  It's difficult to find lard, I get mine at a local meat processor for about as much as vegetable/soybean oil costs.  

 

You really need a deck/patio or garage to fry though, stinks up the house if you do it inside.  ... unless you don't mind living in a Wendy's.  LOL