Josh Allen is the most durable starting NFL QB

[Thurman#1]

  On 7/6/2023 at 4:53 AM, transplantbillsfan said:

Ironic, isn't it?

 

Allen is #1 in the NFL with 71 consecutive starts.

 

Justin Herbert has 39, Trevor Lawrence and Pat Mahomes tied for 3rd at 34.

 

Rodgers 4th with 25.

 

 

Take what you will from this. I want Josh to protect himself more, but I think all the fear mongering "he's about to fall off a cliff the way Cam Newton did!" is wildly overblown by the likes of National pundits like Cowherd and folks on this board.

 

I want Josh to be a little more careful while still letting Josh be Josh.

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I don't see a lot of fear mongering, but if it's out there, it's probably overblown.

 

Having said that, Cam Newton started out his pro career very healthy as well. Only missed two starts in his first five years, and Josh probably should have taken a week or so off after his arm injury last year.

 

It'll be a bit of a balancing act for Josh and for the Bills. Improving the OL is a good first step in helping.

 

 

[Thurman#1]

  On 7/6/2023 at 12:10 PM, Freddie's Dead said:

Bottom line, Josh's injuries have come in the pocket, not on the run.  So for all you lamenting that Josh runs too much, go say a prayer at ST. FU for his continued safety, while the rest of us bask in the glory that is Josh Allen, with the football, in the end zone.

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I don't know why people keep saying this. It's not true.

 

He broke his clavicle at Wyoming and missed a season. Happened on a run.

 

And in 2018 he got a concussion from Pats CB Jonathan Jones. Downfield, running.

 

 

He has been injured in the pocket. But also running.

 

 

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[34-78-83]

Can we please please stop comparing Allen to Cam Newton, ever? Its kind of an insult at this point.

 

As pure passers, there is simply no comparison. Cam never even remotely came close to the level of Josh in this area. Possibly close from a strength perspective but not the accuracy and layered touch that Josh has developed.

 

Even as runners, while Josh can be "reckless" with the ball in his hands while running, he doesn't take nearly the car-wreck shots that Cam did in the open field. Sure, Josh may not slide or run OB enough for our liking, but he seems to set up his contact with more awareness.

 

And lastly of course, and as some have already stated, Josh's significant (time missed/affected for following games) injuries in the NFL to date have occurred while he was prone in the pocket.

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[Mr. WEO]

lol "fear mongering"...

[CincyBillsFan]

  On 7/6/2023 at 3:10 PM, 90sBills said:

By his own admission he couldn’t be accurate on the short throws so he was limited to chucking it deep. Didn’t that hurt the team? Especially in the playoffs against the Bengals?

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Allen was one of the players least responsible for the playoff loss to the Bengals.  Defense and O line own that one.

 

That Allen wasn't 100% isn't in dispute.  The point is that even when banged up he is still very good.  And his stats and 8 - 2 record after the elbow injury demonstrate that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

 

 

 

[FireChans]

  On 7/6/2023 at 5:45 PM, CincyBillsFan said:

Allen was one of the players least responsible for the playoff loss to the Bengals.  Defense and O line own that one.

 

That Allen wasn't 100% isn't in dispute.  The point is that even when banged up he is still very good.  And his stats and 8 - 2 record after the elbow injury demonstrate that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

 

 

 

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Pretty good wasnt good enough to beat the Bengals unfortunately.

[Gregg]

  On 7/6/2023 at 4:22 PM, 34-78-83 said:

Can we please please stop comparing Allen to Cam Newton, ever? Its kind of an insult at this point.

 

As pure passers, there is simply no comparison. Cam never even remotely came close to the level of Josh in this area. Possibly close from a strength perspective but not the accuracy and layered touch that Josh has developed.

 

Even as runners, while Josh can be "reckless" with the ball in his hands while running, he doesn't take nearly the car-wreck shots that Cam did in the open field. Sure, Josh may not slide or run OB enough for our liking, but he seems to set up his contact with more awareness.

 

And lastly of course, and as some have already stated, Josh's significant (time missed/affected for following games) injuries in the NFL to date have occurred while he was prone in the pocket.

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Maybe a better comparison would be with Elway. Both have/had a cannon for an arm. Early in his career Elway would run and scramble. Not to level that Allen does as it was a different game back then. As Elway got older, he was just a pure pocket passer. Of course, having Davis carry the workload running changed everything for Elway and the Broncos. Josh doesn't have an RB as good as TD was.

[Sharky7337]

  On 7/6/2023 at 7:57 AM, BigDingus said:

Well thanks for jinxing him... the same year he's on the cover of Madden too! 

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Ask dawkenstein how this worked out onthe championship game tickets lol

[90sBills]

  On 7/6/2023 at 4:22 PM, 34-78-83 said:

Can we please please stop comparing Allen to Cam Newton, ever? Its kind of an insult at this point.

 

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Allen is an improved Cam Newton. All of Cam’s running abilities with much more elite passing skills. Why would it be an insult to compare Allen to a one time league MVP and Superbowl participant?

[BADOLBILZ]

  On 7/6/2023 at 4:20 PM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I don't know why people keep saying this. It's not true.

 

He broke his clavicle at Wyoming and missed a season. Happened on a run.

 

And in 2018 he got a concussion from Pats CB Jonathan Jones. Downfield, running.

 

 

He has been injured in the pocket. But also running.

 

 

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Yeah,  rare case where we agree.    Missing a season after being injured running isn't nothing @Freddie's Dead

 

He also sustained a turf toe injury running against Tampa in 2021 but played thru it.

 

There should be no question that he is running the ball too much right now............the volume is absurd.

 

[BADOLBILZ]

  On 7/6/2023 at 6:08 PM, 90sBills said:

Allen is an improved Cam Newton. All of Cam’s running abilities with much more elite passing skills. Why would it be an insult to compare Allen to a one time league MVP and Superbowl participant?

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Agree.   And you know it's the offseason when people are talking about JA17's "touch" as a passer.    That's still not a strength of his game.  It's a big separator between he and Mahomes.   Allen still makes a lot of bad throws on relatively routine plays and his shaky touch is one of the reasons that they haven't been able to get better in the screen game and passing to RB's in general.  It was more pronounced after his elbow injury last year but touch has never been a strength.   We tend to forget about it because he usually makes up for it the next play and because he can reach areas of the field that most others can't so his receivers have more ways to get "open".   But he does not have the ball on a string out there like Brady or Mahomes.

[billsbackto81]

Front office can hope for a less reckless JA17 and they may very well get it,... in the future.

 

Everyone says he runs too much but truth is unless it's a designed run he buys as much time as possible before he takes off. Nothing prettier than watching him hit a WR while rolling out right.

 

The O line will be improved but when it breaks down his instincts will kick in and all he'll see is that first down marker. 

 

For now it's who he is. Accept it and enjoy the show and pray there are no cheap shots when he embarrasses defenses.

[Dr.Sack]

He played with a torn UCL, when Purdy shut down and had surgery. The question is how it healed completely without surgery. I understand different grades of tears but it looked like same injury as far as how far their arms were bent backwards. Dude is a beast. 

[billsintaiwan]

  On 7/6/2023 at 4:53 AM, transplantbillsfan said:

Ironic, isn't it?

 

Allen is #1 in the NFL with 71 consecutive starts.

 

Justin Herbert has 39, Trevor Lawrence and Pat Mahomes tied for 3rd at 34.

 

Rodgers 4th with 25.

 

 

Take what you will from this. I want Josh to protect himself more, but I think all the fear mongering "he's about to fall off a cliff the way Cam Newton did!" is wildly overblown by the likes of National pundits like Cowherd and folks on this board.

 

I want Josh to be a little more careful while still letting Josh be Josh.

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Never seen a worse jinx in writing. Ha

[John from Riverside]

  On 7/6/2023 at 4:53 AM, transplantbillsfan said:

Ironic, isn't it?

 

Allen is #1 in the NFL with 71 consecutive starts.

 

Justin Herbert has 39, Trevor Lawrence and Pat Mahomes tied for 3rd at 34.

 

Rodgers 4th with 25.

 

 

Take what you will from this. I want Josh to protect himself more, but I think all the fear mongering "he's about to fall off a cliff the way Cam Newton did!" is wildly overblown by the likes of National pundits like Cowherd and folks on this board.

 

I want Josh to be a little more careful while still letting Josh be Josh.

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I’m not into conspiracy theories, but I really hope that you threw some salt over your shoulder while you were typing this

  On 7/6/2023 at 5:51 PM, Gregg said:

 

Maybe a better comparison would be with Elway. Both have/had a cannon for an arm. Early in his career Elway would run and scramble. Not to level that Allen does as it was a different game back then. As Elway got older, he was just a pure pocket passer. Of course, having Davis carry the workload running changed everything for Elway and the Broncos. Josh doesn't have an RB as good as TD was.

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Their wide receivers were no slouches either

 

The NFL has evolved a lot since then you don’t see a lot of teams that have a pure bell cow back just about everybody runs by committee

[Chaos]

  On 7/6/2023 at 4:53 AM, transplantbillsfan said:

Ironic, isn't it?

 

Allen is #1 in the NFL with 71 consecutive starts.

 

Justin Herbert has 39, Trevor Lawrence and Pat Mahomes tied for 3rd at 34.

 

Rodgers 4th with 25.

 

 

Take what you will from this. I want Josh to protect himself more, but I think all the fear mongering "he's about to fall off a cliff the way Cam Newton did!" is wildly overblown by the likes of National pundits like Cowherd and folks on this board.

 

I want Josh to be a little more careful while still letting Josh be Josh.

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When you consider than in addition to the regular QB duties, he has to carry the entire coaching staff and offense on his shoulders, this is an amazing stat. 

[Buffalo716]

Big D*** Josh Allen!

[first_and_ten]

  On 7/6/2023 at 4:53 AM, transplantbillsfan said:

Ironic, isn't it?

 

Allen is #1 in the NFL with 71 consecutive starts.

 

Justin Herbert has 39, Trevor Lawrence and Pat Mahomes tied for 3rd at 34.

 

Rodgers 4th with 25.

 

 

Take what you will from this. I want Josh to protect himself more, but I think all the fear mongering "he's about to fall off a cliff the way Cam Newton did!" is wildly overblown by the likes of National pundits like Cowherd and folks on this board.

 

I want Josh to be a little more careful while still letting Josh be Josh.

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Great post!! 

[34-78-83]

  On 7/6/2023 at 6:08 PM, 90sBills said:

Allen is an improved Cam Newton. All of Cam’s running abilities with much more elite passing skills. Why would it be an insult to compare Allen to a one time league MVP and Superbowl participant?

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Because they are miles apart as passers, that’s all. Cam in his best days was a mediocre spinner of the pigskin

  On 7/6/2023 at 5:51 PM, Gregg said:

 

Maybe a better comparison would be with Elway. Both have/had a cannon for an arm. Early in his career Elway would run and scramble. Not to level that Allen does as it was a different game back then. As Elway got older, he was just a pure pocket passer. Of course, having Davis carry the workload running changed everything for Elway and the Broncos. Josh doesn't have an RB as good as TD was.

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Definitely more like an Elway

[Buffalo716]

  On 7/6/2023 at 4:20 PM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I don't know why people keep saying this. It's not true.

 

He broke his clavicle at Wyoming and missed a season. Happened on a run.

 

And in 2018 he got a concussion from Pats CB Jonathan Jones. Downfield, running.

 

 

He has been injured in the pocket. But also running.

 

 

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I don’t think anybody is comparing his college injuries to his NFL injuries… The dudes a different animal than he was as redshirt sophomore at Wyoming

 

And yeah he took that cheap shot from Jones and recovered

 

His injuries from the pocket took a while to recover from… It is way more dangerous inside the pocket getting hit by 270 pound defensive ends and 310 pound defensive tackles stationary… than moving and usually bracing 

 

While getting hit by 205 pounds safeties that Josh Allen is bigger than

 

He needs to be safer but he’s absolutely safe outside the pocket if he’s precautious 

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