Allen stats compared to Peyton Manning 👀

[without a drought]

I'll wait for the Sonny Jurgensen comparison .

 

 

 

 

 

It was just a random name, don't get all worked up over this.

 

[Dr.Sack]

Where are the different era excuse makers?

[Doc Brown]

21 hours ago, billybrew1 said:

Dabbol had Josh’s turnovers trending way down then Daboll left….

Dorsey gets too much flack and Daboll too much credit imo.  A lot of Josh's fumbles were usually the result of the offensive line getting beat combined with him looking for the big play.  Dorsey's play design had guys open underneath on most of those fumbles.  I put it more on the o-line and Josh.  Also, five of his fumbles were botched snaps which are the most easy to correct.

[LeGOATski]

Josh Allen is Brett Favre. Throwing, running, boy, competitiveness, ego, teammate, womaniser, friend.

 

Don't be surprised if he makes questionable decisions in the future around retirement time.

 

He's just a man!

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, Dr.Sack said:

Where are the different era excuse makers?

I don’t need excuses. Just look at the average QB rating if the different eras

[GunnerBill]

12 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Josh Allen is Brett Favre. Throwing, running, boy, competitiveness, ego, teammate, womaniser, friend.

 

Don't be surprised if he makes questionable decisions in the future around retirement time.

 

He's just a man!

 

I'm here for the dick pic. Hope it is more impressive than Brett's.

[jethro_tull]

Thanks for posting this info!  

Peyton didn't win his first super bowl until his 10th season and then again in his 17th year.  

[Alphadawg7]

On 7/3/2023 at 9:47 AM, Chicken Boo said:

We get it.  Josh is good, BUT it was a vastly different game in the late 90s-2000s and yes, Peyton threw a ton of pics early in his career.  

People keep saying this, but it wasn’t “vastly” different when Manning played.  It was vastly different when say someone like Montana played, but by the time Manning got here the league was already pushing offense and passing.  I mean this is the same era Brady played in and no one is saying the game was vastly different when Brady played.  

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 7/3/2023 at 7:18 PM, PrimeTime101 said:

Just wondering... how many yards did peyton run a year?

Exactly. I hate when people just use pass yards to compare QBs. What makes Josh so unique & great is his ground skills. Same with Lamar Jackson. And TDs are TDs no matter how u get them. 

[sunshynman]

On 7/3/2023 at 5:41 PM, Nextmanup said:

I found this, but there must be more out there.

 

 

Patrick Mahomes GP: 80;     JOSH ALLEN:   80

 

CMP: 1,981    ;   1,694

 

ATT: 2,997    ;    2,697

 

PCT: 66.1;      62.8

 

YDS: 24,108;      19,385

 

AVG: 8.0;     7.2

 

YDS/G: 301.4    ;     242.3

 

TDS: 196          ;       143

 

TD%: 6.5      ;         5.3

 

INT: 48         ;         58

 

INT%: 1.6      ;        2.2

 

SCK: 133       ;       159

 

SCKY: 886     ;     1,047

 

RATE:  105.8    ;     93.1

 

 

From STATMUSE.COM

SCK: 133       ;       159

 

That just shows how crappy an oline we have given Allen. Considering he often escapes with runs as well! Mahomes has had better protection and more weapons his whole career than the make shift crap we have put in front of Allen. I am pleased we focused on O this offseason! 

[Chicken Boo]

43 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

People keep saying this, but it wasn’t “vastly” different when Manning played.  It was vastly different when say someone like Montana played, but by the time Manning got here the league was already pushing offense and passing.  I mean this is the same era Brady played in and no one is saying the game was vastly different when Brady played.  

 

Brady played for 20 years.  There's been a ton of rules changes in that time.  

 

From 1984 to 2008 there were two 5,000 passing seasons.  From 2011 to current, there have been 13.  The rule changes paved the way for this shift. 

Edited July 5, 2023 by Chicken Boo

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Brady played for 20 years.  There's been a ton of rules changes in that time.  

 

From 1984 to 2008 there were two 5,000 passing seasons.  From 2011 to current, there have been 13.  The rule changes paved the way for this shift. 

 

WHy did you go all the way back to 1984 to talk about an era of a player whose rookie year was 1998?  I literally said that when Manning entered the league, there was already a big push by the NFL for passing and offense. 

 

The era of Manning and Allen are not that different...they were both passing era leagues for MOST of Mannings career.  This whole line is a bit exaggerative if I do say so myself.  

[Lost]

21 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Josh Allen is Brett Favre. Throwing, running, boy, competitiveness, ego, teammate, womaniser, friend.

 

Don't be surprised if he makes questionable decisions in the future around retirement time.

 

He's just a man!

 

Brett Favre married his high school sweetheart and has been with her for like 37 years.   The reporter incident later in life aside, I wouldn't call him a womaniser.  

Edited July 5, 2023 by Lost

[90sBills]

2 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Exactly. I hate when people just use pass yards to compare QBs. What makes Josh so unique & great is his ground skills. Same with Lamar Jackson. And TDs are TDs no matter how u get them. 

Should we compare him to Michael Vick or Cam Newton?

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

31 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Should we compare him to Michael Vick or Cam Newton?

A better version of Cam Newton

[Chicken Boo]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

WHy did you go all the way back to 1984 to talk about an era of a player whose rookie year was 1998?  I literally said that when Manning entered the league, there was already a big push by the NFL for passing and offense. 

 

The era of Manning and Allen are not that different...they were both passing era leagues for MOST of Mannings career.  This whole line is a bit exaggerative if I do say so myself.  

 

Manning came into the league in 1998.  The massive shift of the NFL becoming a passing league happened around 2011, as evidenced by the 5,000 yard passers.  

 

Peyton had Marshall Faulk and Edgerrin James from '98-'05.  His career high in passing attempts was in 2010.  Tom Brady's passing attempts jumped sharply in 2011 throughout the rest of his career.

 

Per Wikipedia:

"The 2011 season saw an unprecedented amount of passing offense: Three of the nine highest passing yardage totals of all time were established: No. 2 Drew Brees (5,476), No. 3 Tom Brady (5,235), and No. 9 Matthew Stafford (5,038); Eli Manning threw for 4,933 yards, which places him 14th all time.[1] It also saw Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers establish the all-time single-season best quarterback rating of 122.5.[2] Further cementing the modern NFL's reputation as a "passing league"[3][4][5] was the fact that, for the second consecutive year, the league overall set a record for most average passing yards per team per game, with 229.7, breaking 2010's record by more than eight yards per game.[6] (For comparison, the league-wide average rushing yards total finished the 2011 season at 57th all-time.)" 

 

The defense rests.

[C.Biscuit97]

I once compared Farves first couple seasons to Losman’s. EJ also had some nice early career comparisons to HOFers.

 

comparing guys from different eras is insane. Manning would throw for 6,000 yards now (and lose in the playoffs).  We have a top 3 qb and mostly likely future HOFer. We don’t need to do this anymore. 

[Alphadawg7]

8 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Manning came into the league in 1998.  The massive shift of the NFL becoming a passing league happened around 2011, as evidenced by the 5,000 yard passers.  

 

Peyton had Marshall Faulk and Edgerrin James from '98-'05.  His career high in passing attempts was in 2010.  Tom Brady's passing attempts jumped sharply in 2011 throughout the rest of his career.

 

Per Wikipedia:

"The 2011 season saw an unprecedented amount of passing offense: Three of the nine highest passing yardage totals of all time were established: No. 2 Drew Brees (5,476), No. 3 Tom Brady (5,235), and No. 9 Matthew Stafford (5,038); Eli Manning threw for 4,933 yards, which places him 14th all time.[1] It also saw Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers establish the all-time single-season best quarterback rating of 122.5.[2] Further cementing the modern NFL's reputation as a "passing league"[3][4][5] was the fact that, for the second consecutive year, the league overall set a record for most average passing yards per team per game, with 229.7, breaking 2010's record by more than eight yards per game.[6] (For comparison, the league-wide average rushing yards total finished the 2011 season at 57th all-time.)" 

 

The defense rests.

 

Talk about over dramatizing...you are cherry picking stats while ignoring the context.  Tom Brady and the Pats set the NFL all time scoring record in 2007, long before his "career high in attempts" which has literally nothing to do with the type of "era" it was and everything to do with the circumstances of the team and offense he was playing in at that stage of his career.  

 

Furthermore, you literally proved my entire point in your own post...the "passing league" and the shift to offensive focus and passing offense specifically had already long been in effect.  You literally posted a quote stating that 2011 FURTHER cemented the modern NFL's reptuation as a "passing league", which once again, was something that had been true for a while.  Hence them referencing the fact is was already an "era" by referring to it as the modern NFL period.  

 

Point is...the Era Manning played in was not much different than the one Allen is playing in.  An era that saw Tom Brady and the Pats establish the highest scoring offense of all time in 2007, only to be broken by none other than Peyton Manning in 2013 as just another accolade in a career where he amongst the leading passers every season he played and with mostly gaudy stats and a butt load of offensive weapons, HOF level weapons, around him almost his entire career.  

 

Meanwhile, Allen has just Diggs as top end talent, and only had him 3 of the 5 seasons he has been in the NFL.  Manning had Harrison, Wayne, Faulk, Edge, Welker, Thomas, etc.  Allen had to start his career more raw than Manning, for a team that gave him Kelvin Benjamin and Zay Jones to start as his initial receivers.  

 

This whole it was a different era thing is just so over exaggerated and pretty irrelevant.  

 

Edited July 6, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Tom Brady and the Pats set the NFL all time scoring record in 2007, long before his "career high in attempts" which has literally nothing to do with the type of "era" it was and everything to do with the circumstances of the team and offense he was playing in at that stage of his career.  

 

 

And 2007 was still FIVE YEARS AFTER Peyton's 5th season in 2002. 

 

I have no idea why you are fighting this losing battle. You might as well as say Joe Montana and Peyton Manning (20 year spread between rookie seasons) played in the same era if you are going to say Allen and Peyton (21 year spread between rookie seasons) played in the same era. 

 

2002 - (1) QB had a passer rating above 100

2022 - (6) QB's had a passer rating above 100

 

And the above are not anomalies for those eras. In Peyton's first five seasons from '98 to '02, there were three seasons where only one QB posted a 100+ passer rating. And in Allen's first five seasons, this past season was actually the fewest number of QB's to post 100+ ratings. The other four seasons saw, 8, 9, 9 and 10 QB's post ratings above 100. 

 

Furthermore, 

 

2002 - (4) QB's had a passer rating above 90

2022- (18) QB's had a passer rating above 90

 

In the late 90's / early 2000's you were an elite QB is your rating was above 90. Today, you could be a bottom half of the league QB with a 90 rating.

Edited July 6, 2023 by Sammy Watkins' Rib

[Chicken Boo]

Exhausting...