Playoff offense is just as much an issue as defense

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

17 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

100% agree.

 

McDemott failed to realize that was the most critical play / call of his coaching career so far. He should have had 100% control of what was going on. It’s okay to use assistant coaches but he needed to have oversight of the entire operation on that sequence. 

waste 7 seconds on one penalty?

 

 That is a bit too optimistic. They completed two plays in 10 seconds. 
 

I agree they should have held on both plays or at least the first. Don’t recall if there is an additional penalty for the second consecutive holding. 
 

Either way the touchback was rendered useless strategy because they decided not to hold on the next two plays. 

 

There's been a rule for a few years now to make it impossible to kill the clock by fouling. 

 

ARTICLE 3. INTENTIONAL FOULS TO MANIPULATE GAME CLOCK

A team may not commit multiple fouls during the same down in an attempt to manipulate the game clock.

Penalty: For multiple fouls to run off time from the game clock: Loss of 15 yards, and the game clock will be reset to where it was at the snap. After the penalty is enforced, the game clock will start on the next snap.

 

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

6 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

There's been a rule for a few years now to make it impossible to kill the clock by fouling. 

 

ARTICLE 3. INTENTIONAL FOULS TO MANIPULATE GAME CLOCK

A team may not commit multiple fouls during the same down in an attempt to manipulate the game clock.

Penalty: For multiple fouls to run off time from the game clock: Loss of 15 yards, and the game clock will be reset to where it was at the snap. After the penalty is enforced, the game clock will start on the next snap.

 

 

That makes sense.
 

so they could have in theory mugged the hell out of at least one chief player each play it sounds like according to this rule and not been penalized. 
 

just not two or more. 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

20 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

That makes sense.
 

so they could have in theory mugged the hell out of at least one chief player each play it sounds like according to this rule and not been penalized. 
 

just not two or more. 

 

Yea, theoretically we could have had Edmunds tackle Kelce at the LOS. Taking a pretty big risk though if another player commits a penalty organically you're giving up 15 yards and no time off the clock. 

[90sBills]

3 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Ya that too. Should have pressed and held everyWR and Kelce. Rushed 3 and had everyone else play off. So many simple variations could have been much better vs what they ended up doing

Hindsight is always 20/20 isn’t it?

5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

9 out of the last 10 Super Bowl winners had a top 10 scoring defense.

Definitely need a decent defense to win. Scoring defense can’t be relied on. Give me top 10 overall defense any day. 

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

which game was this last year?

I think he’s talking about the regular season game against KC where they marched down and scored a fg before halftime with about the same time as the 13sec game. 
 

Just shows it’s never over until the clock strikes 0 against these guys. They’re too good. 

[CookieG]

On 6/30/2023 at 10:22 PM, mjt328 said:

Both the offense and defense have played a role in our playoff losses the last 3 years.

 

The difference between the two... is that we've invested so much draft capitol and cap space into the defense, loaded it up with a half-dozen All-Pro and Pro-Bowl talents (Tre White, Matt Milano, Jordan Poyer, Micah Hyde, Von Miller, Tremaine Edmunds) and the team was STILL totally helpless in stopping Patrick Mahomes or Joe Burrow at any point during those three postseason losses.  This unit has been pretty much maxed out in talent, and it has meant absolutely nothing.  The Chiefs and Bengals moved the ball at will.

 

Our struggles on offense can usually be attributed to weak positions where the team just hasn't been able to find an answer.  This side of the ball is pretty much just Josh Allen, Stefon Diggs, and not much else that scares opponents.  When another weapon other than Diggs actually shows up (such as Gabe Davis in the 2021 divisional game), the offense does great.  When the O-Line actually protects Josh Allen, the offense does great.

 

Excepting the 13 second game, the Bills playoff losses had a big common factor (besides the D not always showing up)...it was protecting Josh.

 

Against the Texans, he was sacked 3 times and hit at least 10 times. 

Against the Chiefs in 2020, he was sacked 4 times and hit 10 times.

Against the Bengals, he was only sacked once, but hit 9 times...and pressured all day long.

 

It isn't a coincidence that in 2021, when the Oline was protecting better, he was hit 3 times in 2 playoff games...and they averaged over 40 points in the playoffs.

 

This isn't unique to the Bills.  In 2020, the Chiefs Oline, older and battered, was exposed by the Bucs in the SB.  Mahomes was sacked 3 times and hit 9 times.

 

In 2022, with a rebuilt Oline, the Chiefs didn't allow a single sack from one of the best defenses in recent history, a D that had 70 sacks for the season.

 

It never ceases to amaze me that people insist on using the most valuable draft and FA'cy on having people who can get to the QB...but at the same time, believe that you can get anyone to keep the other team's pass rushers off your QB.

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

That makes sense.
 

so they could have in theory mugged the hell out of at least one chief player each play it sounds like according to this rule and not been penalized. 
 

just not two or more. 

That is correct.  Choose a player, probably Kelce to hold and double team Hill. That way you still force a one play mini hail mary. We did neither on top of guarding the sidelines when you know Andy has all his timeouts. But again both defensive plays are moot if you force them to fair catch the kickoff at the 10 or 15. Sean did none of that.  

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

That is correct.  Choose a player, probably Kelce to hold and double team Hill. That way you still force a one play mini hail mary. We did neither on top of guarding the sidelines when you know Andy has all his timeouts. But again both defensive plays are moot if you force them to fair catch the kickoff at the 10 or 15. Sean did none of that.  

You should be a head coach. You Seem to know all the answers. I mean I'm sure you'd probably do a better job than Sean McDermott, am I right?

Edited July 3, 2023 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[LABILLBACKER]

10 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

You should be a head coach. You Seem to know all the answers. I mean I'm sure you'd probably do a better job than Sean McDermott, am I right?

I wouldn't have botched that kickoff call. You probably would've 73.

[newcam2012]

4 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

#1. Leave religion out of this yes? 

#2 It is a business. things are said for many different things we will never understand

#3 Other than saying "that game was on me" Rarely does a coach apologize to a team for much.

#4 McD did apologize once on a 4th and 1 decision.

#5 McD got us to a playoff game with a HORRIBLE team. That should tell you something....

#6 The only thing that baffles me is your lack of knowledge on this topic. This extension was long in the works and HC extensions never mean they cannot or will not be let go the following year. We will never no the exact terms in HC extensions. 

 

Lastly in my humble opinion? There is no other HC that has as good of character as McD does.

 

get over it. 

It's not just 13 seconds that McD has failed in. Of course, that's arguably the worst coaching debacle in NFL history. 

 

It's the collaborative effect of McD's terrible coaching in the playoffs. This fan is tired of seeing a Bills team get out coached, out schemed, and out prepared. It's a consistent and constant theme cone playoff time. It's hard not not to come to that conclusion once you look at things objectively. 

 

The things are going to get better, the he's young and going to learn and grow, and all the other excuses are getting tiresome. 

 

Time to move on! There's not a lot to lose...

[PrimeTime101]

24 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

It's not just 13 seconds that McD has failed in. Of course, that's arguably the worst coaching debacle in NFL history. 

 

It's the collaborative effect of McD's terrible coaching in the playoffs. This fan is tired of seeing a Bills team get out coached, out schemed, and out prepared. It's a consistent and constant theme cone playoff time. It's hard not not to come to that conclusion once you look at things objectively. 

 

The things are going to get better, the he's young and going to learn and grow, and all the other excuses are getting tiresome. 

 

Time to move on! There's not a lot to lose...

The amount of games THIS TEAM has out coached is stupid good. You keep following up one bad narrative after another. When you find out you are in a 6' hole? Try to climb out instead of digging deeper. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I wouldn't have botched that kickoff call. You probably would've 73.

Absolutely I would have because, well, I'm no head coach. Maybe you and a few others from this thread should line up for the job.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 6/30/2023 at 1:17 PM, Airseven said:

Bottom line is that Allen imploded against the Texans (‘19) and Chiefs (‘20) and was ineffective against the Dolphins and Bengals (‘22). He was terrific in ‘21, but McDermott wasted it. It’s frustrating how competitive the Bills have become but yet the end result continues to be disastrous somehow.

 

Imploded?  Down 3, 1:, no timeouts he drove the team down for the tying FG.  If not for a BS penalty on cody ford, buffalo is kicking to win that game from 53 yards out.  I don't love Haushkas chances on a long FG (he was money in the game) there but the chances of winning there vs. punting is pretty huge. And if not for a knox missed block we probably have a first down inside 30 with a kick to win. 

 

Not to mention that other BS call where buffalo recovered the kickoff in the end zone and Houston got the ball anyway.  He intended to give himself up... but didn't signal it in any way!  You call other players for the most procedural of procedural penalties, but for something like that they needed to make a judgement?  Its garbage.  

[Rocbillsfan1]

OP is way to far in the weeds the problem has been the playoff gameplanning/adjustments and coaching. Plain and simple. We gave the coaches more excuses when Allen was young, had banged up wrs against KC first time around. Now it’s pretty obvious with this trend that all the playoff loses have been on McDermott not just the offense or defense. He’s Marv Levy 2.0. 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

Absolutely I would have because, well, I'm no head coach. Maybe you and a few others from this thread should line up for the job.

Dude you gotta step up your sarcasm game.  But your support of Sean is both commendable and adorable. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Dude you gotta step up your sarcasm game.  But your support of Sean is both commendable and adorable. 

What's adorable is how much you think you know about coaching an NFL football team. Like I said before maybe you should line up for the job since you know so much. As far as Sean McDermott, yes I support him as the head coach of the Buffalo Bills. Just because he hasn't met your aspirations for a Super bowl appearance doesn't mean it won't happen. I personally haven't given up on him, yet. 

[LABILLBACKER]

8 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

What's adorable is how much you think you know about coaching an NFL football team. Like I said before maybe you should line up for the job since you know so much. As far as Sean McDermott, yes I support him as the head coach of the Buffalo Bills. Just because he hasn't met your aspirations for a Super bowl appearance doesn't mean it won't happen. I personally haven't given up on him, yet. 

Good for you. This may come as a shock to you but even fans have both the intelligence and capacity to comment (or critique) a player, coach or even an organization.  It doesn't mean we don't support them.  Your last word "yet" speaks volumes.  

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

The amount of games THIS TEAM has out coached is stupid good. You keep following up one bad narrative after another. When you find out you are in a 6' hole? Try to climb out instead of digging deeper. 

Just look at the playoff games. McD and his coaching staff has not been good. I'll leave it at that. 

[newcam2012]

33 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

What's adorable is how much you think you know about coaching an NFL football team. Like I said before maybe you should line up for the job since you know so much. As far as Sean McDermott, yes I support him as the head coach of the Buffalo Bills. Just because he hasn't met your aspirations for a Super bowl appearance doesn't mean it won't happen. I personally haven't given up on him, yet. 

Besides optimism what makes you think McD can get the team over the hump? 

 

Do you think he has great game plans? Has excellent schemes? Game time adjustments? Time management? An Xs and Os guy? A great motivator? Creative offensively and or defensively? 

 

Just wondering why so many really think McD can lead this team to a SB. 

 

Of course it's all speculation. Would welcome all comments for and against McD. 

 

Obviously, you know where I stand. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 6/30/2023 at 7:42 PM, 78thealltimegreat said:

  The Bills offenses problem is very much like a team built around three point shooting in basketball… it’s amazing when shots go in but when shots don’t go down do you have another way to generate points and to be honest in many ways they haven’t. 
  They’ve clearly made an off season commitment to give the O more ways to beat you simply by lining up in 12 and 13 personnel would shock many people.  

This is a perfect analogy.