Virginia requiring online checking of age

[ExiledInIllinois]

Why do we even have age limits? Where does that come from? 😏 

[LeviF]

1 hour ago, That's No Moon said:

Yup. And that "protects the children" in what way? The word protect implies taking action that will prevent harm. What Virginia has done is punishment. Punishment and protection are not the same thing.

I'm not pushing back that they shouldn't be doing that. Of course they shouldn't. I'm pushing back that what Virginia has done will have any impact at all. Also, I'm against any time the government feels like it needs to step in and parent people. Do kids under 12 have to have phones? Do kids have to have unmonitored computer time? No in both cases but people can't be bothered to parent properly so it's now the government's job to do it for them. Which they do poorly as in this case.

Did you feel the same way about the restrictions on the advertising of cigarettes?

Just now, ExiledInIllinois said:

Why do we even have age limits? Where does that come from? 😏 

Never ask:

a man his salary 

a woman her age

a french philosopher what petition he was signing in the 1970s

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws

 

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Many of the signatories – including, but not limited to Foucault, Danet and Hocquenghem – later argued in favor of legalizing sex with children, claiming a child can consent - "listen to what the child says and give it a certain credence. This notion of consent is a trap, in any case. What is sure is that the legal form of an intersexual consent is nonsense. No one signs a contract before making love."

 

[Saxum]

34 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Why do we even have age limits? Where does that come from? 😏 

 

Same place where a man could (theoretically now but still required to register) be drafted but cannot legally buy alcohol.

Government does not need to make sense.

[That's No Moon]

37 minutes ago, LeviF said:

Did you feel the same way about the restrictions on the advertising of cigarettes?

First, that's not the same argument. If it were I would argue that restricting advertising has nothing to do with directly restricting access. 

 

Second, we don't catch kids with cigarettes anymore. We catch them with vapes of all varieties. Those aren't advertised either and their direct access is controlled yet kids still have it and know how to get it.

 

My point with all of this is you aren't going to stop people from getting access to this with this basic of a regulation. Kids already know how to evade tons of stuff online and there is probably already a host of sites giving you instructions on how to evade this law. At the end of the day it lands on the doorstep of the parents. When I have a parent scream and curse in my face for taking away their kids school issued laptop because we caught them disabling our security using a very specific EIGHT step process they'd found in the internet it doesn't give me tons of faith in this sort of law actually working the way it was intended. Meanwhile nobody wants to do squat about kids making their OWN material and air dropping it out in a school bus. God forbid we take their phones.

 

 

 

[LeviF]

15 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

First, that's not the same argument. If it were I would argue that restricting advertising has nothing to do with directly restricting access. 

 

Second, we don't catch kids with cigarettes anymore. We catch them with vapes of all varieties. Those aren't advertised either and their direct access is controlled yet kids still have it and know how to get it.

 

My point with all of this is you aren't going to stop people from getting access to this with this basic of a regulation. Kids already know how to evade tons of stuff online and there is probably already a host of sites giving you instructions on how to evade this law. At the end of the day it lands on the doorstep of the parents. When I have a parent scream and curse in my face for taking away their kids school issued laptop because we caught them disabling our security using a very specific EIGHT step process they'd found in the internet it doesn't give me tons of faith in this sort of law actually working the way it was intended. Meanwhile nobody wants to do squat about kids making their OWN material and air dropping it out in a school bus. God forbid we take their phones.

 

 

 

Look, we’re on the same side w/r/t parenting and even the relative efficacy of these kinds of laws. But companies like Mindgeek need to be held accountable at some level because of not only how they ignore  obscenity age restrictions but also because they have maintained CSAM on their platforms knowingly and done nothing about it. 
 

We already restrict access to all sorts of things that somehow end up in the hands of those we don’t want to have it. I fail to see how pornography should be any different, and making it harder to access is good, actually.