ESPN article ranking the top NFL rosters

[Reed83HOF]

17 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Harty and Sherfield have never had a big season between them and have both averaged less than 200 yards per season over their careers.    

 And what great offensive minds did Harty and Sherfield play for in their illustrious careers thus far?

 

It's like we are betting on the under thus far with these WRs. I do think they have a potential to be better than kumerow and lil dirty, the offense hinges on Davis running more than 2 routes and a rookie TE who is going to be asked to play WR....

 

No concerns here at all...

[NewEra]

44 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

We'll find out soon enough.  I guess I'm merely curious as to why you and others are so high on Harris given his relatively pedestrian stats.  ... except for (literally) against us.  

 

 

 

That's a little off the original point, but either way, nailing one pick hardly makes someone a good drafter.  

 

 

I’m not “so high” on harris.  He’s a good between the tackles RB that can fill a role that we’ve sorely missed.  He’s a good red zone back and rarely ever fumbles.  He has a knack for getting the yards that are needed.  He does things that motor couldn’t.  Motor didn’t really do anything that Cook can’t do.  We’ve added different layers to the RB room that we haven’t had.  
 

Harris was also running in an offense with no passing threats and a below average QB.  4.7 ypc for his career is a solid number-  not pedestrian.  449 attempts and 20 rushing TDs is also a solid number. Meanwhile Motor had 672 carries and 16 TDs…. And his QB has 546 attempts and 38 TDs.  

[Reed83HOF]

48 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I think your overrating the RBs and run game in general… it doesn’t/won’t move the needle for this team nearly as much as adding a significant starting WR opposite Diggs would. 

The RB was upgraded, it will help a bit. It certainly won't move the needle like WR2, it's a passing league

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I think your overrating the RBs and run game in general… it doesn’t/won’t move the needle for this team nearly as much as adding a significant starting WR opposite Diggs would. 

Right- and they don’t cost nearly as much either

[hondo in seattle]

5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I think your overrating the RBs and run game in general… it doesn’t/won’t move the needle for this team nearly as much as adding a significant starting WR opposite Diggs would. 

 

That's true.  But the two new RBs combined cost less than a "significant starting WR."  

 

On a limited budget and with some draft picks, Beane upgraded the offense.  The OL is better.  Our stable of backs is better.  Kincaid adds another dimension at TE.  The depth at WR is better though our disappointing #2 remains the same.  If our QB stays healthy, we'll improve at that position, too, since he obviously had UCL problems last year.   

 

The offensive roster is far from perfect, but Dorsey has enough to work with that we ought to put up a lot of points.  

[JerseyBills]

How is Harty a journeyman? 

 

Dude ended his rookie contract with NO and got signed here

[hondo in seattle]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

And again, not nearly as impactful. Clearly you know I feel they should’ve done more at WR and invested less at other positions(safety, special teams, and defensive line). 

 

Sometimes things just don't work out.  FAs find higher bidders.  Agents miscommunicate.  Some players don't like certain cities, teams, coaches...  Maybe a WR you want seems uninterested, so you sign someone else at a different position, and then the WR's agent comes back to you when it's too late cap-wise.   It's not like shopping at the store.  There are a lot of variables and what's on the shelf changes almost daily.  

 

On the whole, Beane did well this offseason, but you're right for wishing they did more at wideout.  I don't see any of the pundits ranking our WR duo among the top of the league.  No one ranks our OL  very high either.  When you have a QB like Allen, you want him to have a good bodyguard and good targets.  

 

So if I want to get controversial, I'll question the Von Miller signing.   He's a good guy and a future HOFer.  But that $120,000,000 could have gotten us a good #2WR.

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

And again, not nearly as impactful. Clearly you know I feel they should’ve done more at WR and invested less at other positions(safety, special teams, and defensive line). 

And again- we started the offseason 20m OVER the cap-  we’ve added several players that will help our team thanks to kicking boatloads of cash down the road.  
 

I wanted hopkins too-  we all realize that you wanted hopkins over everything else and that WR2 was the only thing that this team needed to get us over the top.  We’ve read your 300 posts stating such

[BADOLBILZ]

34 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

How is Harty a journeyman? 

 

Dude ended his rookie contract with NO and got signed here

 

"Technically competent but unable to excel"

 

That's the sports definition of a journeyman. 

 

Like Andre Holmes.   Remember him?   One 600 yard season but ended up playing 7 and averaging only 250 per year.

 

A player can play for a lot of teams and not be a journeyman........Emmanuel Sanders.

 

 

[Toyo321]

Buffalo does not have any consistent game to game impact players on the team on the D side of the ball.

You need to get real on this.  There is no telling how Miller and White are going to be this year.

I don't see White making a significant contribution the way he was prior to his injury.  He is not the same player anymore.

The same with Miller.  There is no way he is going to be 100% opening day, he is older and his age and his injury are

going to play a major factor too. 

 

Poyer and Hyde are getting old, they might have one more good year in them, but they are not the same as they once were.

 

Rehab and practice are one thing, but when you get on the field, when it matters, that is where the performance decline is 

seen first hand.  I am not going to judge anyone, but I am going scrutinize these players level of play and the money they are being paid now. 

 

Because they are not pulling their weight on this team and they are getting paid major money.  Last years loss to Cincy was proof of this.

 

I hate to say it but our D line is not exempt from dreadful play last year.  Last year they played well in some games and had absolutely terrible games too.

Watching our DE's & line not being able to get to the QB last year was like riding a roller coaster.  It was very up and down.  So many missed tackles at the LOS and from the linebackers too,  mainly Edmunds and all of his blown tackles.

 

I really hop McD can do something with the D this year, it will be on his shoulders if this D sinks or swims.

 

I am very sceptical about the D this year,  especially McD having to perform double duty.  It seems that this is just recipe for disaster & with him.

 

All the teams QB's in our division are better or getting better this year.  Not getting pressure on the QB is going to be an issue this year.  We will wait and see.

 

 

Edited July 1, 2023 by Toyo321

[harmonkillebrew]

Take J Allen out of the mix and we're middle of the pack

He elevates the entire roster in ways only a couple of QBs can (Mahomes, ....)

[PBF81]

9 hours ago, FireChans said:

Analysis of the investment in the OL that does not include the fact that we have Dawkins and Morse as high paid, relatively young, established starters, is misleading. 

 

Every single one of Beane’s second rounders could’ve been All-Pros and we would have still been worse off if we didn’t have Allen. 
 

It was quite possibly the best pick in Bills history.

 

We were talking about the draft, so staying within that context, no, it's not misleading.  Furthermore, 2 OL-men do not a complete OL make.  

 

Furthermore, Dawkins predated Beane.  

 

A lot of things "could" have happened.  

 

 

[TC in St. Louis]

11 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

Well, that's the narrative anyway.  I would question whether we've improved at RB, CB, Safety or even held steady at LB.  Singletary was more versatile than Harris has ever been in a season, he also averaged more YPC.  Whether a bruiser 2-down three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust type RB is an improvement remains to be seen.  Our CBs weren't good last season, so improvement is relative there, we could improve but still have a very average unit.  Safety depends largely upon the injury statuses of both Poyer and Hyde as they age further into their back 9s.  At LB Floyd is a situational player and we have no idea how MLB is going to look right now.  

 

 

I'd take this year's RB room over last year's.  Cornerback....reports are that T White is back to his old self, and we now have Benford, Elam entering the second year, absolutely better than when they started, with Dane Jackson in the fold as well.  Safety?  Well, you gotta count the players that are here right now.  Hyde, Poyer, Hamlin, Taylor Rapp.  I don't know how the inside linebackers will perform, but I get the feeling that McDermott has a plan for them.  

 

But, it's just an opinion.  We'll see.  

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

 

We were talking about the draft, so staying within that context, no, it's not misleading.  Furthermore, 2 OL-men do not a complete OL make.  

 

Furthermore, Dawkins predated Beane.  

 

A lot of things "could" have happened.  

 

 

Was Josh Allen arguably the best pick in Bills history as it relates to winning football games, yes or no?

[Nextmanup]

4 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

IMO they’ve mismanaged the WR position the last two offseasons(arguably three) so your simply just making excuses for them… it’s just a blind spot with McBeane… probably going back to their Carolina days I just don’t think they value the position all that much… specifically when your emphasizing RBs over them in a passing league… wouldn’t surprise me if it held them back again next season especially with an injury to one of their starters or Kincaid with a slow start to his career. 

McD is so conservative and cautious by nature, I just can't imagine him giving Kincaid huge opportunity to go wild, especially early in the season.  Expect him to be eased into the picture painfully slowly and him arriving late.

 

I see this year as a regression relative to last.   Hope I'm wrong.

 

 

[PBF81]

10 hours ago, FireChans said:

Was Josh Allen arguably the best pick in Bills history as it relates to winning football games, yes or no?

 

Quit trolling.

 

The discussion that I was having with someone was re: resources put into the OL, relatively speaking.  If you want to change it, fine, just direct it to the person or people you want to have it with.  Answering obvious questions isn't something I'm interested in.

 

WTH are you talking about otherwise?  

 

 

Edited July 1, 2023 by PBF81

[hondo in seattle]

On 7/1/2023 at 12:14 AM, Nextmanup said:

McD is so conservative and cautious by nature, I just can't imagine him giving Kincaid huge opportunity to go wild, especially early in the season.  Expect him to be eased into the picture painfully slowly and him arriving late.

 

I see this year as a regression relative to last.   Hope I'm wrong.

 

 

 

I don't think we'll match last year's 13-3 record.  I think we overachieved a bit in the regular season last year, given all the key injuries we had.  And we're facing a tougher schedule this year.

But I do think, barring significant injuries, we'll field a better team.  And that bodes well - hopefully - for the playoffs.  

[Jerry Jabber]

On 6/29/2023 at 1:24 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

Article is part of ESPN+ https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/37892244/2023-season-roster-rankings-starting-lineups-all-32-nfl-teams

 

1. Chiefs

2. Eagles

3. Buffalo Bills

 

Strongest unit: Safety. Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer have been nothing short of elite since teaming up in Buffalo in 2017. Both are 32 years old and missed substantial time in 2022, so perhaps a slip in play could be in store. But Buffalo will have a healthy Damar Hamlin and newcomer Taylor Rapp (who played 90% of the Rams' defensive snaps in 2022) as quality depth. -- Clay

 

Weakest unit: Wide receiver depth. Stefon Diggs is elite, but No. 2 WR Gabe Davis was limited to a situational deep-threat role for most of 2022. Davis is back, but Cole Beasley, Isaiah McKenzie and Jamison Crowder are gone and will be "replaced" by journeymen Deonte Harty and Trent Sherfield and Day 3 fliers Khalil Shakir and Justin Shorter. Buffalo will need a big rookie season from versatile tight end Dalton Kincaid. -- Clay

 

X factor for 2023: Safeties Jordan Poyer and Micah Hyde. Two years ago they fueled the league's best defense, but in 2022 they combined for just 14 games played. Both are up in there in age, but do they have one more strong season left in them? -- Walder

 

Nonstarter to know: WR Deonte Harty. In 2021, Harty was efficient with a 30% target rate and a 2.9 yards per route run that trailed only those of Cooper Kupp, Deebo Samuel and Davante Adams. Injuries limited him in 2022, but those numbers still have me intrigued. -- Walder

 

4. Dolphins

Glad to see others feel the same way I do about the depth at WR. 

[DCofNC]

On 6/29/2023 at 2:26 PM, BuffaloBillyG said:

No objections for that. They are. Harty is on his 2nd team. Sherfield his fourth. But I don't see that as a negative.

 

By that definition Beasley (Bills were his 2md team), John Brown (Bills were his 3rd in his first run), Crowder (Bills 3rd team) were journeymen as well. In fact, more players then not in this day and age would fall under "journeymen" label.

The term Journeyman is one used in the trades to indicate you are of proficiency at the basics of your trade, not a master, not a rookie.  It’s a term to say, you are serviceable as an average expectation at your job.  It is not one to say you have taken a “journey”, as in many teams, to be where you are. 
 

One does not need to go to many teams to be  a Journeyman, as you are incorrectly trying to make it seem.  These players are, in the present terms, a JAG or Just Another Guy.  They are not poor, they are not special.

On 6/30/2023 at 11:06 PM, ScottLaw said:

IMO they’ve mismanaged the WR position the last two offseasons(arguably three) so your simply just making excuses for them… it’s just a blind spot with McBeane… probably going back to their Carolina days I just don’t think they value the position all that much… specifically when your emphasizing RBs over them in a passing league… wouldn’t surprise me if it held them back again next season especially with an injury to one of their starters or Kincaid with a slow start to his career. 

God help them if Diggs goes down, season over.