ESPN article ranking the top NFL rosters

[GoBills808]

  On 6/29/2023 at 7:04 PM, billsfan89 said:

 

I would say the TE projection is optimistic but not "wildly" optimistic. I think Knox is just outside the top 10 at TE (look at most lists and he is usually ranked at around 11-13 and rarely cracks the top 10) and Kincaid was the best tight end in the draft. Adding them together and it could easily be a top TE duo. There aren't many teams that pack a combo at TE so having a solid player in Knox and a great draft prospect in Kincaid and it is clear that the potential is there for that duo to be among the leagues best. 

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OK I could accept that argument, but I'm also pretty sure we run 2TE sets at one of the lowest frequencies in the league so the value in a hypothetical strong TE duo is marginal

[Andrew Son]

  On 6/29/2023 at 7:24 PM, ScottLaw said:

It’s Beanes weak spot… dude prioritizes RBs over WRs.😅

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I know, look at our horrific offense and the giant trade he pulled of for one of the leagues best WR's...

[C.Biscuit97]

  On 6/29/2023 at 7:37 PM, SWATeam said:

I know, look at our horrific offense and the giant trade he pulled of for one of the leagues best WR's...

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I guess the countered would be how many really good offensive players has he drafted. Obviously, the Allen pick supersedes all other picks but we haven’t exactly be loading up on offensive talent in the draft. And when you have a qb making top money, you need to nail the draft. 
 

still have a top 3 roster so huge tip of the cap. But keeping a team where guys are making good money good every year is very difficult. 

[Andrew Son]

  On 6/29/2023 at 7:42 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

I guess the countered would be how many really good offensive players has he drafted. Obviously, the Allen pick supersedes all other picks but we haven’t exactly be loading up on offensive talent in the draft. And when you have a qb making top money, you need to nail the draft. 
 

still have a top 3 roster so huge tip of the cap. But keeping a team where guys are making good money good every year is very difficult. 

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Sure, but isn't part of having an elite QB his ability to elevate those around him?  I mean look at what Brady did in NE all those years

[PrimeTime101]

  On 6/29/2023 at 5:24 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

Article is part of ESPN+ https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/37892244/2023-season-roster-rankings-starting-lineups-all-32-nfl-teams

 

1. Chiefs

2. Eagles

3. Buffalo Bills

 

Strongest unit: Safety. Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer have been nothing short of elite since teaming up in Buffalo in 2017. Both are 32 years old and missed substantial time in 2022, so perhaps a slip in play could be in store. But Buffalo will have a healthy Damar Hamlin and newcomer Taylor Rapp (who played 90% of the Rams' defensive snaps in 2022) as quality depth. -- Clay

 

Weakest unit: Wide receiver depth. Stefon Diggs is elite, but No. 2 WR Gabe Davis was limited to a situational deep-threat role for most of 2022. Davis is back, but Cole Beasley, Isaiah McKenzie and Jamison Crowder are gone and will be "replaced" by journeymen Deonte Harty and Trent Sherfield and Day 3 fliers Khalil Shakir and Justin Shorter. Buffalo will need a big rookie season from versatile tight end Dalton Kincaid. -- Clay

 

X factor for 2023: Safeties Jordan Poyer and Micah Hyde. Two years ago they fueled the league's best defense, but in 2022 they combined for just 14 games played. Both are up in there in age, but do they have one more strong season left in them? -- Walder

 

Nonstarter to know: WR Deonte Harty. In 2021, Harty was efficient with a 30% target rate and a 2.9 yards per route run that trailed only those of Cooper Kupp, Deebo Samuel and Davante Adams. Injuries limited him in 2022, but those numbers still have me intrigued. -- Walder

 

4. Dolphins

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how did the Eagles, have the best roster last year, lose 2-3 pieces this year, gain a piece and have by far the best draft in the league? and they not first? I do not have a sub, but would be interesting how they explained that

Edited June 29, 2023 by PrimeTime101

[GoBills808]

  On 6/29/2023 at 7:45 PM, SWATeam said:

Sure, but isn't part of having an elite QB his ability to elevate those around him?  I mean look at what Brady did in NE all those years

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literally every single wideout allen has every played w has career years

 

like do people realize before josh allen stefon diggs never made a pro bowl lol

[Beck Water]

  On 6/29/2023 at 5:43 PM, ScottLaw said:

Yea I wonder if Poyer/Hyde can remain healthy… and what a shock, more questions about the WR depth… everywhere but this message board.😅

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Strangely enough, I have read several threads and posts on other threads about that very WR depth concern, right on this message board.

😅😅

For example this from @Jerry Jabber

 

[Andrew Son]

  On 6/29/2023 at 7:47 PM, GoBills808 said:

literally every single wideout allen has every played w has career years

 

like do people realize before josh allen stefon diggs never made a pro bowl lol

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Certainly not disputing that, I'm not saying that Allen doesn't elevate those around him.  Just questioning the prevailing talking point that it's necessary to load up on multiple high end targets.  

[GoBills808]

  On 6/29/2023 at 7:49 PM, SWATeam said:

Certainly not disputing that, I'm not saying that Allen doesn't elevate those around him.  Just questioning the prevailing talking point that it's necessary to load up on multiple high end targets.  

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if you have a bad oline and a defense that's going to reliably ***** the bed in crunch time what else do you suggest lol

[Andrew Son]

  On 6/29/2023 at 7:50 PM, GoBills808 said:

if you have a bad oline and a defense that's going to reliably ***** the bed in crunch time what else do you suggest lol

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Fix those problems?

[Beck Water]

  On 6/29/2023 at 5:24 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

Article is part of ESPN+ https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/37892244/2023-season-roster-rankings-starting-lineups-all-32-nfl-teams

 

1. Chiefs

2. Eagles

3. Buffalo Bills

 

Strongest unit: Safety. Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer have been nothing short of elite since teaming up in Buffalo in 2017. Both are 32 years old and missed substantial time in 2022, so perhaps a slip in play could be in store. But Buffalo will have a healthy Damar Hamlin and newcomer Taylor Rapp (who played 90% of the Rams' defensive snaps in 2022) as quality depth. -- Clay

 

Weakest unit: Wide receiver depth. Stefon Diggs is elite, but No. 2 WR Gabe Davis was limited to a situational deep-threat role for most of 2022. Davis is back, but Cole Beasley, Isaiah McKenzie and Jamison Crowder are gone and will be "replaced" by journeymen Deonte Harty and Trent Sherfield and Day 3 fliers Khalil Shakir and Justin Shorter. Buffalo will need a big rookie season from versatile tight end Dalton Kincaid. -- Clay

 

X factor for 2023: Safeties Jordan Poyer and Micah Hyde. Two years ago they fueled the league's best defense, but in 2022 they combined for just 14 games played. Both are up in there in age, but do they have one more strong season left in them? -- Walder

 

Nonstarter to know: WR Deonte Harty. In 2021, Harty was efficient with a 30% target rate and a 2.9 yards per route run that trailed only those of Cooper Kupp, Deebo Samuel and Davante Adams. Injuries limited him in 2022, but those numbers still have me intrigued. -- Walder

 

4. Dolphins

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Seems like a pretty fair assessment, though it seems a bit double-dipping to mention the safety position 2x and Deonte Harty 2x.

 

I would think the Bengals feel 'dissed' to not be mentioned as a top-3 team, wonder what the logic is there?  One can make a pretty sound argument for them having one of the best OL and one of the best WR corps in football.

[34-78-83]

The O-line was an even more impactful issue last season (and going into this one) than production from #2 WR. The adds at both starting interior OL and depth overall at OL this year should make a nice positive impact, even though WR#2 still may remain a concern.

[FireChans]

  On 6/29/2023 at 7:49 PM, SWATeam said:

Certainly not disputing that, I'm not saying that Allen doesn't elevate those around him.  Just questioning the prevailing talking point that it's necessary to load up on multiple high end targets.  

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Most of the teams that have been in the Superbowl recently have had better targets than the Bills.

[Andrew Son]

  On 6/29/2023 at 8:01 PM, FireChans said:

Most of the teams that have been in the Superbowl recently have had better targets than the Bills.

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It's been beaten to death but KC last year is questionable

[GoBills808]

  On 6/29/2023 at 8:02 PM, SWATeam said:

It's been beaten to death but KC last year is questionable

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How so?

 

Kelce>Diggs

JuJu>Davis

[Beck Water]

  On 6/29/2023 at 7:16 PM, GoBills808 said:

OK I could accept that argument, but I'm also pretty sure we run 2TE sets at one of the lowest frequencies in the league so the value in a hypothetical strong TE duo is marginal

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The question, of course, is whether we plan to continue to run 2TE sets at one of the lowest frequencies in the league?

 

If so, then obviously investing a 1st round pick on Kincaid was foolish.

 

But I don't think that's the plan.

 

I believe that at the "U" in Miami, Dorsey made heavy use of his TE as receiving weapons. 

In Carolina, it was Mike Shula's offense of course, but once they acquired Ed Dickson in FA, he was on the field almost half the time while Greg Olson was taking >95% of the snaps.  Most of those years, Olson was also leading the team in receiving yards.

 

So at least in theory, Dorsey knows how to utilize 2 TE sets in the passing game. 

[FireChans]

  On 6/29/2023 at 8:02 PM, SWATeam said:

It's been beaten to death but KC last year is questionable

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Okay.  The Eagles are not questionable. The Rams, not questionable. The Bengals, not questionable. The Bucs in 2020, not questionable.  The Chiefs in 2020, not questionable.

 

5/6 are indisputable.

  On 6/29/2023 at 8:03 PM, GoBills808 said:

How so?

 

Kelce>Diggs

JuJu>Davis

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Also this, but I was gonna give you that one.

[loyal2dagame]

  On 6/29/2023 at 5:26 PM, GoBills808 said:

when it's put that way i feel way less confident in this upcoming season lol

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Hyde and Poyer at 80% are still head and shoulders above any other safety pair in the league. We've know what Davis is since mid season last year.  The Bills are going to be fine. 

Edited June 29, 2023 by loyal2dagame

[Saxum]

  On 6/29/2023 at 6:44 PM, GoBills808 said:

Just can't shake the feeling that we are relying on 3 players in Hyde/Poyer/Miller...all coming off significant injuries whose combined age is 98 years old

 

throw in White who I don't expect to every really regain his form and there's an argument that the defense is in big trouble

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Sure if you want to argue the negatives.  I was on debate team and sometimes we were given unsupported positions we were to represent.  We would concentrate on minor things discarding any facts which did not support it.

 

I was offered a full scholarship to Gannon University but I had no interest in going there being a pre-Vet major.

 

  On 6/29/2023 at 6:50 PM, GoBills808 said:

 

 

i love bashing tre white as much as the next guy but he was a liability last year and getting better just means he'd be on the lower end of what you'd like your best CB to be

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Corrected.

[Ya Digg?]

Damn, if the Bills had only kept Hodgins, then they would have….still no #2 and just another 4/5 on the depth chart