B-Man Posted July 5, 2023 Posted July 5, 2023 MARK JUDGE: The Supreme Court and the End of Punitive Liberalism. The phrase “punitive liberalism” was coined by James Piereson in his remarkable 2007 book, Camelot and the Cultural Revolution: How the Assassination of John F. Kennedy Shattered American Liberalism. Simply put, punitive liberalism means liberalism that exists to punish the United States for all the world’s problems. From foreign policy to racism to personal psychological ills, America is the world’s great Satan. In its recent landmark rulings, the Supreme Court has blown the doors off punitive liberalism. https://stream.org/the-supreme-court-and-the-end-of-punitive-liberalism/ Make the rubble bounce. . 2 1
Doc Posted July 6, 2023 Posted July 6, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said: I have a question for you... my youngest daughter graduated from high school in Oklahoma in 2021. One of the best public HS's in the state. Her credentials... Top 10 in her class (finished 3rd out of 120 or so) 4.18 GPA 29 ACT Academic All-State cheerleader Member of the National Honor Society Established debate team at her high school FCCLA Class President Outside school, she established a foundation (Lauren's Lemonade Stand) when she was in the 4th grade and raised money every year to help wounded veterans. Managed to work with people like Miranda Lambert, raised THOUSANDS. Did this every year up to graduation. Member of the Chickasaw Nation (she has a CDIB card) She applied at Michigan... denied. Texas.... denied. University of Chicago... denied. Yale, Princeton, Cornell... all denied. Got into Oklahoma State, Oklahoma and Ole Miss (where she is a 4.0 pre-law student). Why did she get rejected by so many? Was in just because of the the post-covid year? I was following a parent on a FB page where their kid spent his whole life wanting to get into Purdue. 4.2 GPA, 32 ACT, everything. Got rejected by Purdue. Still shocked my little one, who is technically a minority with such a strong academic record, got rejected to schools like Michigan and UT. Similar story to my eldest one. He applied early decision to Cornell and despite being a legacy, got rejected. I was floored. Edited July 6, 2023 by Doc 1
The Frankish Reich Posted July 6, 2023 Author Posted July 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Doc said: Similar story to my eldest one. He applied early decision to Cornell and despite being a legacy, got rejected. I was floored. There's just no rhyme or reason to what happens in the elite colleges. I had a kid get into an Ivy, get rejected by a "lesser" Ivy, and waitlisted at places like Boston University - a fine (albeit way too expensive for what it is) college, but hardly on the level of the others. It's a crapshoot. Kids now may apply to 20 or more colleges. We'd be better off if the elite colleges just had some kind of grades/test scores cutoff and then held a lottery to see who gets in. (But that would mean requiring test scores, which is becoming the latest no-no in this crazy world) 1
Doc Brown Posted July 6, 2023 Posted July 6, 2023 9 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said: I have a question for you... my youngest daughter graduated from high school in Oklahoma in 2021. One of the best public HS's in the state. Her credentials... Top 10 in her class (finished 3rd out of 120 or so) 4.18 GPA 29 ACT Academic All-State cheerleader Member of the National Honor Society Established debate team at her high school FCCLA Class President Outside school, she established a foundation (Lauren's Lemonade Stand) when she was in the 4th grade and raised money every year to help wounded veterans. Managed to work with people like Miranda Lambert, raised THOUSANDS. Did this every year up to graduation. Member of the Chickasaw Nation (she has a CDIB card) She applied at Michigan... denied. Texas.... denied. University of Chicago... denied. Yale, Princeton, Cornell... all denied. Got into Oklahoma State, Oklahoma and Ole Miss (where she is a 4.0 pre-law student). Why did she get rejected by so many? Was in just because of the the post-covid year? I was following a parent on a FB page where their kid spent his whole life wanting to get into Purdue. 4.2 GPA, 32 ACT, everything. Got rejected by Purdue. Still shocked my little one, who is technically a minority with such a strong academic record, got rejected to schools like Michigan and UT. ACT is way too low for those schools you mentioned. A 30 or below is an uphill battle.
ArdmoreRyno Posted July 6, 2023 Posted July 6, 2023 16 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: These are fantastic credentials. Congratulations to her, and with this record of achievement (demonstrating intelligence and hard work) she will no doubt do extremely well at whatever college she attends, and then in her career. But we have to be realistic about exactly how competitive admissions is at these colleges. It is difficult to compare to other applicants in the Ivy League or public Ivies applicant pools, except for the ACT score: a 29 was in the 91st percentile. Again, solidly top 10 percent. People don't realize exactly how competitive these schools are, and this is even with the now-infamous race/legacy/recruited athlete/major donor advantages. In other words, nearly the entire entering class is just about perfect. Harvard Admissions Statistics There are three critical numbers when considering your admissions chances: ACT scores, GPA, and acceptance rate. All these combine to tell you what you scores are required to get into Harvard University. Average ACT: 34 The average ACT score composite at Harvard is a 34. The 25th percentile ACT score is 33, and the 75th percentile ACT score is 35. In other words, a 33 places you below average, while a 35 will move you up to above average. There's no absolute ACT requirement at Harvard, but they really want to see at least a 33 to have a chance at being considered. I never thought she would get into Yale or Harvard, even though Yale did like 3 interviews with her. I really figured Michigan or UT would. I had someone say that "she heard" it was due to Covid. Kids taking a gap year, all coming back. They simply didn't have the room for out of state students. But she's taking 15-18 hours at Ole Miss and making straight A's. On the student council, Indian affairs council, etc. UT and Michigan missed out on a great student. I work as a school counselor (as well as a LPC outside school) but just started 2 years ago... and we administer ACT/SAT tests. I hate them. I feel, personally, that how you do over 4 years... extracurricular... volunteering... means more than one standardized test. I saw one kid who was a complete stoner... 2.1 GPA... make a 34 on his ACT and was offered scholarship after scholarship. He didn't care about school, but the colleges wanted him! (he's working as a cook for a local fast food restaurant). 1 1
The Frankish Reich Posted July 6, 2023 Author Posted July 6, 2023 11 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: I never thought she would get into Yale or Harvard, even though Yale did like 3 interviews with her. I really figured Michigan or UT would. I had someone say that "she heard" it was due to Covid. Kids taking a gap year, all coming back. They simply didn't have the room for out of state students. But she's taking 15-18 hours at Ole Miss and making straight A's. On the student council, Indian affairs council, etc. UT and Michigan missed out on a great student. I work as a school counselor (as well as a LPC outside school) but just started 2 years ago... and we administer ACT/SAT tests. I hate them. I feel, personally, that how you do over 4 years... extracurricular... volunteering... means more than one standardized test. I saw one kid who was a complete stoner... 2.1 GPA... make a 34 on his ACT and was offered scholarship after scholarship. He didn't care about school, but the colleges wanted him! (he's working as a cook for a local fast food restaurant). That's why elite colleges like to look at all 3: grade point average (particularly with AP courses), test scores, and extracurricular activities. The kids that can excel in all 3 are pretty much slam dunk successful students in those schools. I am in favor of standardized test use: it correlates well with success in college, particularly in the STEM fields. It levels the playing field given the great disparities in high schools in America (not to mention overseas). Yes, reliance on standardized test scores may, as a practical matter, benefit Asian American students. So be it. One problem with the great public universities (Texas, the UC system): the populations of those states have grown so much that there's simply too much competition among in-state applicants. Add to that: a lot of state universities like to have a certain percentage of out-of-state/international students because they pay full freight, in effect subsidizing the in-state students. The good news: almost every study shows that when you control for other variables (for example, the fact that the elite colleges accept only extreme high achievers), those that attend "lesser" colleges do just as well as those who attend the elites. Am I allowed to say "what a mess?" 1 1
Niagara Bill Posted July 8, 2023 Posted July 8, 2023 On 7/5/2023 at 6:13 PM, The Frankish Reich said: These are fantastic credentials. Congratulations to her, and with this record of achievement (demonstrating intelligence and hard work) she will no doubt do extremely well at whatever college she attends, and then in her career. But we have to be realistic about exactly how competitive admissions is at these colleges. It is difficult to compare to other applicants in the Ivy League or public Ivies applicant pools, except for the ACT score: a 29 was in the 91st percentile. Again, solidly top 10 percent. People don't realize exactly how competitive these schools are, and this is even with the now-infamous race/legacy/recruited athlete/major donor advantages. In other words, nearly the entire entering class is just about perfect. Harvard Admissions Statistics There are three critical numbers when considering your admissions chances: ACT scores, GPA, and acceptance rate. All these combine to tell you what you scores are required to get into Harvard University. Average ACT: 34 The average ACT score composite at Harvard is a 34. The 25th percentile ACT score is 33, and the 75th percentile ACT score is 35. In other words, a 33 places you below average, while a 35 will move you up to above average. There's no absolute ACT requirement at Harvard, but they really want to see at least a 33 to have a chance at being considered. But if she could only play basketball, or football all that academic work would be far more effective, ( or no academic work) AT ALMOST ANY SCHOOL. 1
DC Tom Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 On 7/1/2023 at 10:13 AM, Westside said: Well we’ll have to agree to disagree. He was pretty efficient at calling people idiots. Because you are idiots. 1
Westside Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 11 hours ago, DC Tom said: Because you are idiots. Look who’s back! Lol
B-Man Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 So much for 'retribution" Black “leaders” and their white liberal allies masters are outraged by the Supreme Court’s Harvard and UNC decisions, but this Economist/YouGov poll indicates that more blacks support the decisions than not: 1
B-Man Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 BARELY ONE IN FIVE VOTERS THINK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL: “Interesting poll results. Not surprising though. So why is it interesting? I’d say, because elite media treated the decision as if it was an outrage committed by a far right-wing Court. We were stirred up to think the Court had gone off the rails and done something drastic and damaging. But opinion wasn’t swayed, or at least it wasn’t swayed in the direction elite media tried to sway it.” https://althouse.blogspot.com/2023/07/barely-one-in-five-voters-think.html https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/biden_administration/supreme_court_s_affirmative_action_ruling_approved_by_most_voters 1
B-Man Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 GIVING TEETH TO LAWS AGAINST AFFIRMATIVE ACTION RACIAL DISCRIMINATION. Relying on administrative agencies won’t cut it. It has to be individual liability and private rights of action, at minimum, to be real. Jail time for purposeful violations (not this “implicit” or “structural” baloney) should also be on the table. There is zero justification for letting apparatchiks use skin color to substitute for individual judgment. https://www.jamesgmartin.center/2023/07/dei-laws-are-meaningless-without-enforcement/ .
All_Pro_Bills Posted July 20, 2023 Posted July 20, 2023 On 7/18/2023 at 11:07 AM, B-Man said: BARELY ONE IN FIVE VOTERS THINK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL: “Interesting poll results. Not surprising though. So why is it interesting? I’d say, because elite media treated the decision as if it was an outrage committed by a far right-wing Court. We were stirred up to think the Court had gone off the rails and done something drastic and damaging. But opinion wasn’t swayed, or at least it wasn’t swayed in the direction elite media tried to sway it.” https://althouse.blogspot.com/2023/07/barely-one-in-five-voters-think.html https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/biden_administration/supreme_court_s_affirmative_action_ruling_approved_by_most_voters Much of the emphasis behind the original affirmative action idea was based on preferences to address income inequality and economic disparities rather than racial quotas.
Orlando Buffalo Posted July 20, 2023 Posted July 20, 2023 On 7/5/2023 at 5:51 PM, DrW said: While there are many things wrong with Texas (a very recent example: Ken Paxton), one thing they got right: a quota for gifted students, whatever their color may be. If your kid graduates in the top 10% of his/her high school class, every Texas ***** university has to take you (well, UT Austin got an exemption: they only need to take the top 7%.) Couple that with in-state tuition of about $6,000 per semester even for the best universities (such as Austin), and you have a real bargain. This makes me even happier to be in FL. UCF just dropped the top 10% requirement due to competition. UF and FSU dropped that years ago and FSU now has an acceptance rate of about 25%. UCF is the largest school in nation and still accepts about 40% of applicants and each school has tuition of less than $7500 ay year.
Irv Posted July 20, 2023 Posted July 20, 2023 On 7/5/2023 at 1:34 PM, ArdmoreRyno said: I have a question for you... my youngest daughter graduated from high school in Oklahoma in 2021. One of the best public HS's in the state. Her credentials... Top 10 in her class (finished 3rd out of 120 or so) 4.18 GPA 29 ACT Academic All-State cheerleader Member of the National Honor Society Established debate team at her high school FCCLA Class President Outside school, she established a foundation (Lauren's Lemonade Stand) when she was in the 4th grade and raised money every year to help wounded veterans. Managed to work with people like Miranda Lambert, raised THOUSANDS. Did this every year up to graduation. Member of the Chickasaw Nation (she has a CDIB card) She applied at Michigan... denied. Texas.... denied. University of Chicago... denied. Yale, Princeton, Cornell... all denied. Got into Oklahoma State, Oklahoma and Ole Miss (where she is a 4.0 pre-law student). Why did she get rejected by so many? Was in just because of the the post-covid year? I was following a parent on a FB page where their kid spent his whole life wanting to get into Purdue. 4.2 GPA, 32 ACT, everything. Got rejected by Purdue. Still shocked my little one, who is technically a minority with such a strong academic record, got rejected to schools like Michigan and UT. I've read in a couple of different places that the kids that apply to the super top-tier schools are so equal that it just becomes a random outcome for who gets in. 1
B-Man Posted July 20, 2023 Posted July 20, 2023 “Closing the Credentials Gap: The Affirmative Action Ruling Represents Real Progress.” by Gail Heriot https://www.city-journal.org/article/closing-the-credentials-gap-after-sffa-v-harvard .
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 12 Posted January 12 We should see the same outage about this right?
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