Pats give DeVante Parker a Big Extension

[Blank Stare]

4 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Of course they will be better with Rodgers, but Hackett is the wildcard here. He was laughably bad as a HC and apparently his plan is to let Rodgers do everything

Honestly, with as poor a coach as Hackett is, probably not a bad thing to let Rodgers call his own number. Probably one of the reasons he liked Hackett so much in GB. 

[billsfan89]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Because he is actually a solid player.  His down season are not related to his talent, it had more to do with the situation he was in.  And given the price of WR's these days, his deal is reasonable.  

 

To be honest, if Pats land Hopkins still (and most the talk still seems to lend towards them being the more likely spot), they could have a sneaky good offense this year if Mac Jones can just be solid or better now that he has a real OC again with O'Brien.

 

Pats are one of those teams no one is thinking too much about right now, but if they land Hopkins, they could be one of those sleeper teams that end up being a tougher opponent than people think this year.  Not a real contender per se, just not the roll over opponent I think people assume they will be.

 

I just don't see the talent level with the Pats on offense. At best with D-Hop they maybe have an above-average level of talent on offense. Factoring out Mac Jones (who I am not personally high on) the Pats O-line last season was a fairly average unit, not bad but not the elite unit it has been in the past and not much was added to it. The Pats at RB have Stevenson who is a good RB but not much depth. Then at WR/TE even if they added D-Hop I just don't see that unit really overwhelming anyone consistently unless D-Hop returns to his 2020 form which is unlikely given that he is 2 years older and coming off some injuries. 

 

At TE the Pats have Henry and Gesicki a solid combo but neither are dynamic TE's and at WR Bourn/Ju Ju/Parker/D-Hop is nice but there really isn't a consistent WR1 there and without that dynamic playmaker it becomes harder for a bunch of WR 2/3's to really have room to operate. 

 

Then there is Mac Jones who I just don't see being anything more than a game manager. And that's not to say you can't win with a game manager but rather that having a game manager at QB depresses the abilities of the talent around you. So even if the Pats are better at WR/TE/RB/O-line than I think having Mac Jones there means that the talent level won't be achieved and the offense will likely regress to being average.

[PatsFanNH]

20 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I just don't see the talent level with the Pats on offense. At best with D-Hop they maybe have an above-average level of talent on offense. Factoring out Mac Jones (who I am not personally high on) the Pats O-line last season was a fairly average unit, not bad but not the elite unit it has been in the past and not much was added to it. The Pats at RB have Stevenson who is a good RB but not much depth. Then at WR/TE even if they added D-Hop I just don't see that unit really overwhelming anyone consistently unless D-Hop returns to his 2020 form which is unlikely given that he is 2 years older and coming off some injuries. 

 

At TE the Pats have Henry and Gesicki a solid combo but neither are dynamic TE's and at WR Bourn/Ju Ju/Parker/D-Hop is nice but there really isn't a consistent WR1 there and without that dynamic playmaker it becomes harder for a bunch of WR 2/3's to really have room to operate. 

 

Then there is Mac Jones who I just don't see being anything more than a game manager. And that's not to say you can't win with a game manager but rather that having a game manager at QB depresses the abilities of the talent around you. So even if the Pats are better at WR/TE/RB/O-line than I think having Mac Jones there means that the talent level won't be achieved and the offense will likely regress to being average.

Regress? Average would be a huge improvement over last year. Lol  That said it all depends on Jones, he showed in Alabama he can excel with great players around him so he won’t hold them back IMO.  I think, and I could be wrong,  the Pats will be a playoff team this year not a SB contender but a playoff team again. 

[C.Biscuit97]

Parker sucks but it’s hilarious to watch fans and media overreact to nfl contracts and their numbers which are completely meaningless 

1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said:

Regress? Average would be a huge improvement over last year. Lol  That said it all depends on Jones, he showed in Alabama he can excel with great players around him so he won’t hold them back IMO.  I think, and I could be wrong,  the Pats will be a playoff team this year not a SB contender but a playoff team again. 

Honestly, Jones at Alabama was amazing. The way he elevated that team with little nfl talent, questionable coaching staff, and little history. He did what no other quarterback could have done at that dumpster fire program. 
 

Mac is truly a special talent and totally doesn’t drive drunk. 

30 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I just don't see the talent level with the Pats on offense. At best with D-Hop they maybe have an above-average level of talent on offense. Factoring out Mac Jones (who I am not personally high on) the Pats O-line last season was a fairly average unit, not bad but not the elite unit it has been in the past and not much was added to it. The Pats at RB have Stevenson who is a good RB but not much depth. Then at WR/TE even if they added D-Hop I just don't see that unit really overwhelming anyone consistently unless D-Hop returns to his 2020 form which is unlikely given that he is 2 years older and coming off some injuries. 

 

At TE the Pats have Henry and Gesicki a solid combo but neither are dynamic TE's and at WR Bourn/Ju Ju/Parker/D-Hop is nice but there really isn't a consistent WR1 there and without that dynamic playmaker it becomes harder for a bunch of WR 2/3's to really have room to operate. 

 

Then there is Mac Jones who I just don't see being anything more than a game manager. And that's not to say you can't win with a game manager but rather that having a game manager at QB depresses the abilities of the talent around you. So even if the Pats are better at WR/TE/RB/O-line than I think having Mac Jones there means that the talent level won't be achieved and the offense will likely regress to being average.

Pats have a bottom 5-10 offense in the nfl. No does, not a single player who scares you and a qb who has no arm strength. Just load the box and dare them to make plays over the top.

 

that said, they have a very good defense. They are going to be the most boring team in the nfl this year.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

16 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

No idea why they would invest a moderately sizable contract into a 30 year old WR who has had back to back down seasons. Parker only had one good season (2019) and a couple of other decent seasons (2020 and 2016) so it isn't like there was a big peak for him to return to. Also apparently this doesn't impact the Pats cap-wise much at all, so I don't know if this at all related to Dhop or not. Either way Pats throwing money at a WR who is unlikely to meet the expectations is a good thing. 

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/devante-parker-deal-means-patriots-233503508.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

 

To create cap space for Hopkins??  Kind of risky move though as even if  Hopkins does sign with them from all accounts likely will be a one year deal.  And after that would still be stuck with a potential bad contract for Parker.

[RyanC883]

this is a drought era Bills move.  Clearly done in hopes it will elevate QB play.  He’s not a TO type player though so it makes zero sense.  

[billsfan89]

16 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Regress? Average would be a huge improvement over last year. Lol  That said it all depends on Jones, he showed in Alabama he can excel with great players around him so he won’t hold them back IMO.  I think, and I could be wrong,  the Pats will be a playoff team this year not a SB contender but a playoff team again. 

 

Regress in terms of the talent level around the QB not being reached because the QB can't get it done consistently. Obviously not compared to what they did last year. I think the Pats offense will be based on running the ball and not turning the ball over. Maybe they can make the playoffs on the strength of their defense and an offense not turning the ball over, but is a 9-8 seventh seed really all that impressive?

[PatsFanNH]

11 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Regress in terms of the talent level around the QB not being reached because the QB can't get it done consistently. Obviously not compared to what they did last year. I think the Pats offense will be based on running the ball and not turning the ball over. Maybe they can make the playoffs on the strength of their defense and an offense not turning the ball over, but is a 9-8 seventh seed really all that impressive?

Not really, but it shows IMO how good of a HC BB is.  The roster in most coaches hands be a bottom 5 team and I could see them winning 10 games w O Brian focused on the O and BB on the D.  Also I am a firm believer once you get into the dance anything can happen.. 

20 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

this is a drought era Bills move.  Clearly done in hopes it will elevate QB play.  He’s not a TO type player though so it makes zero sense.  

It would be like a 7 million cap hit next year if they cut him and it isn’t that big of a deal for them cap wise.

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Not really, but it shows IMO how good of a HC BB is.  The roster in most coaches hands be a bottom 5 team and I could see them winning 10 games w O Brian focused on the O and BB on the D.  Also I am a firm believer once you get into the dance anything can happen.. 

It would be like a 7 million cap hit next year if they cut him and it isn’t that big of a deal for them cap wise.

 

well, glad the Pats fan likes it.  Wasted money is wasted money. . 

[Billl]

4 hours ago, Blank Stare said:

Honestly, with as poor a coach as Hackett is, probably not a bad thing to let Rodgers call his own number. Probably one of the reasons he liked Hackett so much in GB. 

 

6 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Yep.

 

The great Nathaniel Hackett is going to get steamrolled by Rodgers similar what happened to him in Denver with the Broncos "savior" Russell Wilson last year.  So far they have added the old  has been receiver Randall Cobb.  We will be able to see what kind of de-facto OC Rodgers can be.

Hackett failed as a HC, but Rodgers looked a lot better with him than without him.  I’m sure Ken Dorsey will scheme circles around him, though.

[billieve420]

Belicheck just trolling Mac Jones at this point now.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

21 hours ago, Einstein said:

Bill Belichick.

Great coach. Terrible GM.

Except, without Brady he’s also not a great coach! 10 seasons, 7 under .500, and only 1 playoff W. Losing record…so, I respectfully beg to differ. 😅

[Success]

I doubt the Pats will end up in 4th place while Belichick is there. They have a 4th place roster, but the coaching makes such a big difference.

 

If they get Hopkins, I think fans here underestimate how good they might be.  They could legit challenge for the division. The Bills should prevail over all 3 teams, but it's close enough where if there are a couple of weird breaks, any of the other teams could win it.

 

[Thurman#1]

9 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Because he is actually a solid player.  His down season are not related to his talent, it had more to do with the situation he was in.  And given the price of WR's these days, his deal is reasonable.  

 

To be honest, if Pats land Hopkins still (and most the talk still seems to lend towards them being the more likely spot), they could have a sneaky good offense this year if Mac Jones can just be solid or better now that he has a real OC again with O'Brien.

 

Pats are one of those teams no one is thinking too much about right now, but if they land Hopkins, they could be one of those sleeper teams that end up being a tougher opponent than people think this year.  Not a real contender per se, just not the roll over opponent I think people assume they will be.

 

 

All of this makes sense to me. 

 

My knee jerk is to hate them, but this seems OK to me. Not that I spent a lot of time watching them last year.

 

"up to" $33M. It's all in the details. The picture will become clearer as we see the numbers.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

All of this makes sense to me. 

 

My knee jerk is to hate them, but this seems OK to me. Not that I spent a lot of time watching them last year.

 

"up to" $33M. It's all in the details. The picture will become clearer as we see the numbers.

I agree with you, I want to just hate them too.  And that was the key for me “up to $33M” which means that if he performs he is making $11M per and that’s not bad for a contributing WR in todays market:  

Edited June 30, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[PatsFanNH]

2 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Except, without Brady he’s also not a great coach! 10 seasons, 7 under .500, and only 1 playoff W. Losing record…so, I respectfully beg to differ. 😅

Last year I am glad they missed the playoffs otherwise Patricia may still be here. That said that roster was horrid and was 1 win away from the playoffs and a winning record.. the first year without Brady was also a year they lost Edelman really early and then he retired before Jones started. So you were replacing not only Brady but your top WR.  (And Cam Newton was just beyond bad as a QB.)

[Richard Noggin]

8 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Regress? Average would be a huge improvement over last year. Lol  That said it all depends on Jones, he showed in Alabama he can excel with great players around him so he won’t hold them back IMO.  I think, and I could be wrong,  the Pats will be a playoff team this year not a SB contender but a playoff team again. 

 

So you're saying the AFCE sends 3 or even 4 teams to the playoffs? 

 

Or, who from the division falters? 

[PatsFanNH]

7 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

So you're saying the AFCE sends 3 or even 4 teams to the playoffs? 

 

Or, who from the division falters? 

I expect the Jets to falter and wouldn’t be shocked if the Dolphins falter as well as I expect Tua be injured early. 

[Richard Noggin]

4 hours ago, Billl said:

 

Hackett failed as a HC, but Rodgers looked a lot better with him than without him.  I’m sure Ken Dorsey will scheme circles around him, though.

 

This is not ALL wrong. I agree that Hackett's deferential approach to a Rodgers-led offense has some demonstrable merit, and is unrelated to his disastrous experience in Denver. 

 

The Dorsey question will be answered one way or another in 2023. At this very moment, there is evidence (both statistical and anecdotal) to support just about any subjective conclusion. Ken Dorsey's 2022 offense was objectively ELITE. Obviously it didn't always FEEL or SEEM elite after halftime on Halloween. So we're in a kind of Schrodinger's Holding Pattern of Angst: we might have predictions or hypotheses, but we cannot actually KNOW the 2023 results until they happen. So we're in a stressful state of uncertainty and multiplicity. Therefore, many are compelled to medicate themselves with premature belief in some predictive "take." Helps us to sleep at night. 

[Nelius]

LOL go Pats. Jakobi Myers might honestly be better at this point so very weird WR to sink money into as a pseudo-1. All is not well in New England. I'll buy the hype for the Fish and the Jets and the AFC East being a warzone, but NE might be bottom 5 at the end of the year.