Jeremy Fowler - The Bills believe they have the Diggs situation resolved

[Solomon Grundy]

On 6/29/2023 at 3:40 PM, BillsSbSoon said:

How much more can we force him the ball than we already have?

"Force" is the keyword here. The Bills brass need to scheme him open more. Move him around. Something similar to like the Rams do Cooper Kupp or like the Raiders do with Davante Adams. Line him up in the backfield if it's gonna cause mismatch problems

[Magox]

 I think Diggs is the type of player that things need to be going right for him to not make noise.  If for any reason the Bills season begins to go sideways - ooh boy! 

11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This. The ONE part that I legit criticise Stef for is the storming out at the end of the Bengals game before the coaches had delivered their end of game speech. That is unprofessional and as emotional as he was he HAS to behave better than that. But whatever business Stef had with the team or individuals has been handled in house. He hasn't tweeted anything explicit or done critical interviews.

 

I mean who in their right mind would after a 13 win season?

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I think a disappointing season with a WC loss and even missing the playoffs and they’ll be on the hot seat in 2024.

 

Unless Josh misses significant time there is zero chance the Bills miss the playoffs.

[Einstein]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Unless Josh misses significant time there is zero chance the Bills miss the playoffs.

 

Which is what I have always told you. It’s the Josh Allen show. McDermott is just along for the ride and occasionally screws things up for Allen (like 13 seconds).

 

Insert any coach - Jauron, Rex, whatever - onto this team and we will still make the playoffs with Josh Allen. 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Which is what I have always told you. It’s the Josh Allen show. McDermott is just along for the ride and occasionally screws things up for Allen (like 13 seconds).

 

Insert any coach - Jauron, Rex, whatever - onto this team and we will still make the playoffs with Josh Allen. 

 

 

 

I have never disagreed with that (well he isn't "just along for the ride") but your general point. Where we have disagreed is I think give McDermott any of those rosters that Jauron, Gaily, Rex etc had and is 1 or 2 wins better year on year. 'Cos he is a better coach. Look at Atlanta and KC in 2017. He beat teams he had no business beating. The others never did that. But QB is always more important than coach I have never, ever, disputed that.

Edited July 4, 2023 by GunnerBill

[Solomon Grundy]

15 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This. The ONE part that I legit criticise Stef for is the storming out at the end of the Bengals game before the coaches had delivered their end of game speech. That is unprofessional and as emotional as he was he HAS to behave better than that. But whatever business Stef had with the team or individuals has been handled in house. He hasn't tweeted anything explicit or done critical interviews.

A very smart person once told me that "everybody is not like you". Maybe with the way Stef was feeling the best way was to be by himself. Kinda like he stayed behind on the field after the loss to KC. People accept loss differently. I'm sure everyone, in the heat of the moment, done something stupid and wished after the fact that you would've handled it differently. Apparently that's what happened to Stef therefore him coming back to the locker room. 

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

A very smart person once told me that "everybody is not like you". Maybe with the way Stef was feeling the best way was to be by himself. Kinda like he stayed behind on the field after the loss to KC. People accept loss differently. I'm sure everyone, in the heat of the moment, done something stupid and wished after the fact that you would've handled it differently. Apparently that's what happened to Stef therefore him coming back to the locker room. 

 

Doesn't matter. Going and sitting there for 5 minutes with your teammates while the coaches address you is the only acceptable way to respond in that situation. If Stef then wanted to go get away from it and not talk to anyone from the team for 3 or 4 months that is his right. But in those initial moments after a loss he has a professional responsobility and he let himself and his team down.

[maddenboy]

57 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Doesn't matter. Going and sitting there for 5 minutes with your teammates while the coaches address you is the only acceptable way to respond in that situation. If Stef then wanted to go get away from it and not talk to anyone from the team for 3 or 4 months that is his right. But in those initial moments after a loss he has a professional responsobility and he let himself and his team down.

Diggs is not a leader.  He doesnt have those skills.  But its not really in his job duties, either. 

 

He wasnt hired to be one.  Even a "process" team is not likely to have 53 leaders.

 

During the drought and at other times, some of us complain that we dont have enough 'bad boys' to win a championship.  Well, we have one.  One who is supremely skilled.  One who burns to win a championship (instead of harnessing his skills just for money).

 

And whose "bad" does not include drugs or violence.  Just distrations.  which a Process team should be able to absorb and handle.

 

I say its a net win.

 

Edited July 5, 2023 by maddenboy

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, maddenboy said:

Diggs is not a leader.  He doesnt have those skills.  But its not really in his job duties, either. 

 

He wasnt hired to be one.  Even a "process" team is not likely to have 53 leaders.

 

During the drought and at other times, some of us complain that we dont have enough 'bad boys' to win a championship.  Well, we have one.  One who is supremely skilled.  One who burns to win a championship (instead of harnessing his skills just for money).

 

And whose "bad" does not include drugs or violence.  Just distrations.  which a Process team should be able to absorb and handle.

 

I say its a net win.

 

 

You don't have to be a leader (although I dispute that he isn't one or doesn't have those skill). But this is just about being a good teammate for literally 5-10 minutes. And I am the biggest Stefon Diggs fan going. Loved him before he was a Bill, love him as a Bill. No question he is a net win for the team. He was an essential part of our ascension from team on the rise to contender and I would be gutted if the Bills traded him, that would (in my mind) be a huge mistake. But that still doesn't mean he didn't let himself and his team down in those moments. He has a responsibility to be a professional. Every player on the roster does. And in that situation he was unprofessional. 

[Doc Brown]

11 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Which is what I have always told you. It’s the Josh Allen show. McDermott is just along for the ride and occasionally screws things up for Allen (like 13 seconds).

 

Insert any coach - Jauron, Rex, whatever - onto this team and we will still make the playoffs with Josh Allen. 

I'd agree with this from 2020 on.  However, I don't think we make the playoffs in 2017 or 2019 with "any coach" like Jauron or Rex.  The defense that McDermott helped build and the culture he helped create helped them perform above expectations in those years.  I also don't think we get close to 13 wins last season with "any coach" given the influx of injuries to our best players on defense and all the other crazy stuff that happened from May through January.  There were a lot of tricky waters to navigate through and I thought he did a great job.  

 

Up to this point he's proven he's a very good regular season coach.  Now he has to prove it in the playoffs and the pressure only intensifies when you have a QB like Allen.  Another blunder like 13 seconds or another instance of being thoroughly out coached like he was in the Bengals game and I'd think of moving on if I was Pegula.  You'd have to have a strong conviction that there's someone else out there that would be an upgrade though.  I really just don't see that happening though but I'm a cautious optimist.

16 minutes ago, maddenboy said:

Diggs is not a leader.  He doesnt have those skills.  But its not really in his job duties, either. 

 

He wasnt hired to be one.  Even a "process" team is not likely to have 53 leaders.

 

During the drought and at other times, some of us complain that we dont have enough 'bad boys' to win a championship.  Well, we have one.  One who is supremely skilled.  One who burns to win a championship (instead of harnessing his skills just for money).

 

And whose "bad" does not include drugs or violence.  Just distrations.  which a Process team should be able to absorb and handle.

 

I say its a net win.

 

I think Diggs can be a great leader and it's why he was voted captain.  People aren't perfect though and Diggs still has some growing up to do.  I was very stupid even at 29.  Still stupid now but definitely back then.

Edited July 5, 2023 by Doc Brown

[BillStime]

Oh stfu 

 

 

[Dopey]

16 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Which is what I have always told you. It’s the Josh Allen show. McDermott is just along for the ride and occasionally screws things up for Allen (like 13 seconds).

 

Insert any coach - Jauron, Rex, whatever - onto this team and we will still make the playoffs with Josh Allen. 

 

 

I think you should leave Rex out of the conversation. McDermott took Rex’s joke of a team to a playoff berth in his first season. Rex took a good thing and effed it up. From a top 5 defense to crap. Short memories. 
And…this team is much more than Josh. Except to Josh Allen jock strap sniffers. Give his jock back and maybe he keeps it in his pants and no baby daddy drama. Just before a playoff game vs. Cincy. I think that’s a what Diggs was pissed about. Very quiet subject here. 🤔

[Ga boy]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Doesn't matter. Going and sitting there for 5 minutes with your teammates while the coaches address you is the only acceptable way to respond in that situation. If Stef then wanted to go get away from it and not talk to anyone from the team for 3 or 4 months that is his right. But in those initial moments after a loss he has a professional responsobility and he let himself and his team down.

What other player would be allowed to do this?  Suppose JA27 pulled this antic.  Behavior not allowed especially from a team leader.   I think there was some kind of discipline given to Diggs which is why he’s been sulking for 5 months.  Just conjecture.  

[Mango]

The last two times Diggs has been contractually obligated to put on a Bills jersey at OBD he’s thrown a tantrum. 
 

I have difficulty separating the two events.  If one day of conversations is all it took, then we likely wouldn’t have had any issues at minicamp. 
 

Hoping it is all worked out and we can move on

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

I think you should leave Rex out of the conversation. McDermott took Rex’s joke of a team to a playoff berth in his first season. 

 

No, he didn’t take Rex’s team anywhere. If I recall correctly we had something like 8 new starters in 2017 than 2016. And we backed into the playoffs because of a miracle by the Bengals. 

 

If Josh Allen goes down, this team doesn’t win more than 8 games.

[Royale with Cheese]

15 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

No, he didn’t take Rex’s team anywhere. If I recall correctly we had something like 8 new starters in 2017 than 2016. And we backed into the playoffs because of a miracle by the Bengals. 

 

If Josh Allen goes down, this team doesn’t win more than 8 games.

 

Are you saying McDermott cannot win more than 8 games in a season unless he has a high level QB like Josh Allen?

[NewEra]

Thread about Diggs?  No.  Thread about McDermott sucks now.

 

awesome

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Are you saying McDermott cannot win more than 8 games in a season unless he has a high level QB like Josh Allen?

 

With a bit of luck, any coach can win more games than they deserve. Dick Jauron once won 13 games in a season. He went 13-3 with the 2001 Bears.

 

McDermott needed a moderate amount of luck in his 2017 campaign where he backed into the playoffs with 9 wins. Luck such as facing a Miami team without their starting QB on the last game of the season when we needed a win to have any chance. 

[teef]

So…what I’m seeing here is that when something god happens to the bills, it’s either all Allen or a bit of luck.  When something bad happens to the bills, it’s strictly on mcd.  This is shaping up nicely. 

[boater]

On 6/28/2023 at 5:39 PM, BuffaloBillyG said:

I love all these articles that say "I was told" that are just guesses. Told by...who? "Team insider"? Diggs himself? The pizza delivery guy? Now I know no one will reveal their "source" but it really undermines how seriously to take any report when we get no idea the level of knowledge whoever told him actually may have.

I like it when posters here on TSW start out with "I heard..." or "I was told..."  ..it's almost always something far-fetched and improbable.