Did we do enough? I think we are getting there.

[3rdand12]

7 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

This upcoming seasons O-line is unlikely to be worse, so we got that going for us…, 

 

 

This is about where I am at.

 Looks good on paper. And i will buy in.
Injuries last season again were tough. And more things. 

 Expected much more from Kromer honestly.

 

 But yes, I think the whole offense will be better rounded and a better unit overall. That will include the O line in the run and protection.

Just how I roll

[3rdand12]

6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

They *might* but it's definitely not "likely".   Way too many other factors could make that not the case.    No different than saying adding a player will make us win X amount more games.    Can't quantify it like that.

 

Or like Aaron Rodgers *might* return to being the league MVP now that he's away from the toxic relationship he had with Green Bay management.......and the Jets *might* then be a SB contender with Rodgers opposite last years #1 defense.  

 

I'm not just trying to point out the negative...........I mean, if Von Miller is back healthy or AJ Epenesa has a breakout year or Rousseau and Oliver make big improvements the Bills *might* have the best pass rush in football.   Could happen too.    

Depends on what Dorsey asks of his troops and how Kromer executes.

Crap players can look good when the players are put in a position to win their matchups each week.

The NFL is full of Could, might and likely to.

 Thats one of the reasons its so popular with the betting types

[Einstein]

7 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

This upcoming seasons O-line is unlikely to be worse, so we got that going for us…, 

 

 

 

Well that is the most glass-half-full post i’ve seen in a while haha. Well done.

[3rdand12]

3 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

Did we do enough?  Probably not.  We certainly don't have the best roster in the NFL. 

 

But it's a good roster - somewhat better than last season's squad, I think. 

 

And sometimes the best roster doesn't take home the Lombardi.  It's certainly not a certainty.  It's not even a probability.  But we have a legit shot.  

Yep. and thanks for that POV

[78thealltimegreat]

5 hours ago, maddenboy said:

I disagree with each of your points.

 

I'm not sure what the first one even means, but how do you propose to stop the Niners offense if we swapped? 

 

We would Not beat the Eagles if we swapped offensive lines.  Their defenders actually make plays.  Their weapons are better than ours.

 

But i dont care about rivals.   I care about winning the superbowl This year.   I'm not talking about the next 5-10 years.  And even still, if we swapped O-line with the Bengals this year, do we Win the Superbowl this year?  I dont think so.  because we still wouldnt have weapons needed nor playmakers needed.

 

The 49ers played one team with a winning record till the playoffs 1. And once again I will point out that the same Chiefs team who the Bills best in KC one week earlier went into San Francisco and destroyed the vaunted 49ers defense. 
Josh Allen’s oline as you see ranked 30th…the Eagles Oline was 1. Give Jalen Hurts this oline and give the Allen the Eagles oline and keep the weapons the same you going to tell me the Eagles beat the Bills? As for their defense making plays the final score in the Super Bowl was 38-35. 

3 hours ago, 90sBills said:

I must have missed when Bills beat the Chiefs in the playoffs.

Oh I must have missed the Bills beating the Chiefs in KC 24-20 a week before the 49ers/Chiefs which was checks notes 44-23

[Reed83HOF]

8 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

This upcoming seasons O-line is unlikely to be worse, so we got that going for us…, 

 

 

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, Airseven said:

 

They were saved by a soft schedule.

 

 

All true. They've addressed depth, not talent.

 

By this point, Beane should have earmarked a first round pick and big money free agent for the OL. Instead it's deck chairs. 

Really well put. We just have to hope the depth is talented. It better be because several of them need to play well. McGovern will be a starter and the WRs should play quite a bit. 

 

When you don't have cap space you grab what you can. 

It appears the following years are going to be problematic too. 

 

Is the Bills dynasty run closing soon? Seems likely but who knows. Allen is a great stabilizer. 

 

In the back of my head I'm wondering if Josh would ever leave if he felt like the Bills Org just doesn't have it. 

[maddenboy]

9 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Josh Allen’s oline as you see ranked 30th…the Eagles Oline was 1.

 

Give Jalen Hurts this oline and give the Allen the Eagles oline and keep the weapons the same you going to tell me the Eagles beat the Bills? 

yes.  yes i am.

 

because the eagles will at least make a few plays on defense.

 

Because the eagles' offense has better weapons.

 

Because Jalen Can run, if necessary.  he is no statue.

 

And yes, if the Bills' defense cant make plays against a bad team with a bad line (or even a bad team with a good line), how can they make plays against a very good team with a bad line?

 

We need 2 things.  Defensive playmakers (and for them to make plays, since our defense is not predicated on dictating terms), and Weapons.  An O-line is probably 4th but, since we have a defensive coach who should be able to mask problems with any defensive group, l'll put O-line third in importance.

 

 

[DCofNC]

Right now, I’d call it a push with more upside.

[78thealltimegreat]

2 hours ago, Airseven said:

 

They were saved by a soft schedule.

 

 

All true. They've addressed depth, not talent.

 

By this point, Beane should have earmarked a first round pick and big money free agent for the OL. Instead it's deck chairs. 

Stats say their schedule strength was 7th but hey maybe that’s soft to some people 

7 minutes ago, maddenboy said:

yes.  yes i am.

 

because the eagles will at least make a few plays on defense.

 

Because the eagles' offense has better weapons.

 

Because Jalen Can run, if necessary.  he is no statue.

 

And yes, if the Bills' defense cant make plays against a bad team with a bad line (or even a bad team with a good line), how can they make plays against a very good team with a bad line?

 

We need 2 things.  Defensive playmakers (and for them to make plays, since our defense is not predicated on dictating terms), and Weapons.  An O-line is probably 4th but, since we have a defensive coach who should be able to mask problems with any defensive group, l'll put O-line third in importance.

 

 

You are the only one on maybe planet earth who believes Josh Allen behind the Eagles oline wouldn’t be better than Jalen Hurts behind the Bills line so you got that going for ya. 

Edited June 29, 2023 by 78thealltimegreat

[Don Otreply]

47 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Well that is the most glass-half-full post i’ve seen in a while haha. Well done.

It is a Bill Murray caddie shack inspired post, 😁👍

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

It's absolutely true that Beane has not - yet - built a Super Bowl quality roster.

 

But it's hard to talk about errors.  He tried to fix everything all at once - within the mighty restraints of the salary cap.  And he's been largely successful.  This is the best squad we've had since the early 90s. 

 

But, yeah, Beane tried to fix the OL mostly on the cheap with journeymen and it hasn't worked out.  You would think that getting a capable bodyguard for your generational QB would have been a bigger priority.  

 

I wonder, though, if he had spent more on the OL, who wouldn't we have right now?  Diggs?  Miller?  Someone else? 

 

The bottom line is this.  Our roster isn't the best in the NFL.  But, each year, it's one of the best.  With a little luck, we'll get a trophy before McD and Beane are done.  

 

 

OL could have been built through the draft, take you pick of all the whiffs and look at what we could have had.   Had he found a real pass rush with all the capital spent on DL, Miller wouldn’t have been needed and money would be available for OL too. 

[90sBills]

11 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Oh I must have missed the Bills beating the Chiefs in KC 24-20 a week before the 49ers/Chiefs which was checks notes 44-23

Which means what? Indy beat the Chiefs last regular season too. Does that mean Indy is better than KC and wouldn’t have to worry about them anymore? Cincy beat KC in the regular season last year but lost to them in the playoffs. Do you think Bengals fans are bragging about that regular season win while the Chiefs went on to get another superbowl ring? Well maybe they do. They’re Bengals fans after all.

 

Some fans gotta stop hanging on to meaningless regular season wins over KC. Chiefs still ended up with better playoffs seeding last year despite losing that regular season game. A great win for Buffalo but ultimately meaningless. I don’t care if Bills lose at KC this fall just beat them when it matters…in the playoffs. 

[maddenboy]

10 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

You [maddenboy] are the only one on maybe planet earth who believes Josh Allen behind the Eagles oline wouldn’t be better than Jalen Hurts behind the Bills line so you got that going for ya. 

at no point did i say that Hurts would outplay Allen

 

I said, and still say, that the Eagles would still beat the Bills if the teams switched lines.

 

This is not a thread about comparing two teams, per se.  It is about whether we did enough to Win the Super Bowl This year.   My point is that, no matter whose O-Line we have, the rest of the team as constituted is not winning the superbowl This year.

 

Edited June 29, 2023 by maddenboy

[78thealltimegreat]

Just now, maddenboy said:

at no point did i say that Hurts would outplay Allen

 

I said, and still say, that the Eagles would still beat the Bills if the teams switched lines.

 

This is not a thread about comparing two teams, per se.  It is about whether we did enough to Win the Super Bowl This year.   My point is that, no matter whose O-Line we have, the rest of the team as constituted is not winning the superbowl This year.

We will find out this year if you’re right won’t we 

[Toyo321]

8 hours ago, uticaclub said:

They have made Oline moves in the past, they have just kept missing.

Anytime you bring under performing offensive line help from other teams that did not want to keep these players, then Buffalo overpay's them, then yeah thats a huge problem.

This team is allergic to drafting OL position players, but this year it happened.  We are notorious for over paying players that don't perform or deserve the salary our team pays them on both sides of the line  The D-Line is not excluded here either.

Edited June 29, 2023 by Toyo321

[maddenboy]

3 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

We will find out this year if you’re right won’t we 

i hope not.  I dont want to be proven right.

 

I hope its not too late to add a weapon.  or a playmaker (leonard floyd is a good start).  

 

Not a personnel guru so i cant name names.   But i hope something changes because these weapons and these defenders arent enuf.

[90sBills]

6 minutes ago, maddenboy said:

at no point did i say that Hurts would outplay Allen

 

I said, and still say, that the Eagles would still beat the Bills if the teams switched lines.

 

This is not a thread about comparing two teams, per se.  It is about whether we did enough to Win the Super Bowl This year.   My point is that, no matter whose O-Line we have, the rest of the team as constituted is not winning the superbowl This year.

 

This is what happens to fans when the team can’t get it done. We play hypotheticals.

[maddenboy]

nah

 

this is what fans do to have discourse on a fan website.

 

Otherwise i coulda just replied to the OP with "no."   What fun would That be?

 

or to your bigger point, yes.   The Bills could save us all a whole lotta grief.

 

Edited June 29, 2023 by maddenboy

[78thealltimegreat]

8 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

This is what happens to fans when the team can’t get it done. We play hypotheticals.

Exactly