Did we do enough? I think we are getting there.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

According to PFF they addressed their interior OL problem with 2 OL that were bad in 2022 and two rookies.

 

I get that fans want to imagine that guys like McGovern, Edwards, Harty and Sherfield will all play SO MUCH better than they were last year because Beane's crystal ball has foretold it...........but they are just shots in the dark not an indication that they've surely made strides in those areas of weakness.

 

 

Ok but they really only need to upgrade Saffold on the IOL. Surely one of those guys will be better than Saffold. Can one of them beat out Bates too? Maybe and that would improve OL depth. There is a legit concern about RT. Will just have to see how he does this year. 

I'm of the belief Dawkins is on the downside but he has surprised me before. Would be good to see him play better than he did in 2022. Regardless they have to draft OT in round 1 or 2 next year 

Edited June 28, 2023 by Ethan in Cleveland

[The Jokeman]

Let's also remember now that we have Kincaid we can keep Knox in more to block which realistically help the O-line too as not sure that guys we had behind Knox last year were better blockers. Also Damien Harris has been a good pass blocking back in the past, rating 1st overall in 2000. etc.  So we shouldn't just focus on the O-line when talk about blocking. 

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Spencer Brown and Groot are starters. They are out of the 2021 class. Elam and Cook will either start or see a pretty high snap share most likely with Benford getting a lot of time on the field as well. I think it would be foolish to write off Torrence winning a starting spot at some point this season if not week 1. Kincaid may not "start" but again, completely plausible he sees a high volume work load. And depending on the formation they line up in may "start" some as well. 

 

Your whole statement is overblown Yes, the Bills have missed on a some picks. But right there are SEVEN guys that either will start or have an impactful role on the team.

 

Shakir is interesting as well. Year 2 earns a lot more trust with this staff, and we saw flashes. Nobody is saying any of these guys are 100catch, 1000yrds, but they dont need to be that to upgrade the offense. Reall hoping were more efficient, quick, methodical, dink dunk drives. Theres no reason we shouldnyt excel at it. I dont want boom or bust offense. Methodical, reliable style , that can be replicated week to week. Not this HR or strike out BS from last year

[The Jokeman]

8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The crazy thing is this is probably the most they’ve attempted to upgrade the offense since the 2020 off-season… and it’s still somewhat of a lackluster attempt. 
 

 

Say what you want but the salary cap does exist to a degree as if Josh was on his rookie deal you better believe we'd see even better players added. 

[Rico]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

According to PFF they addressed their interior OL problem with 2 OL that were bad in 2022 and two rookies.

 

I get that fans want to imagine that guys like McGovern, Edwards, Harty and Sherfield will all play SO MUCH better than they were last year because Beane's crystal ball has foretold it...........but they are just shots in the dark not an indication that they've surely made strides in those areas of weakness.

 

 

The only improvement that I can definitely see happening comes from Josh being further removed from his injury. I’m optimistic about all the new blood + Cook + Shakir, but everything is ‘if’s  and ‘maybe’s to me, at this point anyways.

[maddenboy]

did we do enough What, exactly?

 

getting Where, exactly?

 

Did the team improve?  maybe, but that should not be the question.
 

Did we do enough to Win the Superbowl This Year.  I know the implied question is this.  But way more specifically, did we improve this unit enough to win it all?  And is this even the best question to ask?   I dont think it is.  

 

I'm not convinced that even if we swapped offensive lines with the Chiefs, or Bengals, or Eagles, or Niners, that we could beat any of them.

 

We need weapons.  And we need playmakers on Defense (who do actually make plays.  Besides Milano.   We do have good players.)

 

give me both of these, even with last year's O-Line, and we win this year (because one without the other is not gonna win this team a superbowl This year.  But weapons is the way more important of the two.  we are wasting a generational talent).

 

 

Edited June 28, 2023 by maddenboy

[78thealltimegreat]

3 minutes ago, maddenboy said:

did we do enough What, exactly?

 

getting Where, exactly?

 

Did the team improve?  maybe, but that should not be the question.
 

Did we do enough to Win the Superbowl This Year.  I know the implied question is this.  But way more specifically, did we improve this unit enough to win it all?  And is this even the best question to ask? 

 

I dont think it is.   I'm not convinced that even if we swapped offensive lines with the Chiefs, or Bengals, or Eagles, or Niners, that we could beat any of them.

 

We need weapons.  And we need playmakers on Defense (who do actually make plays.  Besides Milano.   We do have good players.)

 

give me both of these (because one without the other is not gonna win this team a superbowl This year).

Oh geez we’d role the 49ers before they went on their vaunted win streak they played the same Chiefs team at home that the Bills played and beat in KC a week earlier and KC let up or they could have laid 50 on them. The Eagles had the easiest schedule in the league last year and we can definitely play with them .  

The only team that there is a question mark about is the Bengals that’s who their rival really is now. 

[maddenboy]

14 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Oh geez we’d role the 49ers before they went on their vaunted win streak they played the same Chiefs team at home that the Bills played and beat in KC a week earlier and KC let up or they could have laid 50 on them.

 

The Eagles had the easiest schedule in the league last year and we can definitely play with them .  

 

The only team that there is a question mark about is the Bengals that’s who their rival really is now. 

I disagree with each of your points.

 

I'm not sure what the first one even means, but how do you propose to stop the Niners offense if we swapped? 

 

We would Not beat the Eagles if we swapped offensive lines.  Their defenders actually make plays.  Their weapons are better than ours.

 

But i dont care about rivals.   I care about winning the superbowl This year.   I'm not talking about the next 5-10 years.  And even still, if we swapped O-line with the Bengals this year, do we Win the Superbowl this year?  I dont think so.  because we still wouldnt have weapons needed nor playmakers needed.

 

Edited June 28, 2023 by maddenboy

[mrags]

2 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

The Bills have to keep reaching into the veteran scrap pile because whether anyone here wants to admit it or not they have had terrible drafts. How many of their 2021-2023 draft picks will start this year? The answer is likely ZERO

Rousseau 

Spencer Brown

Elam or Benford will likely start

Cook will start

 

there’s a likely possibility that Williams or Bernard will start

 

Kincaid will be TE 1B or slot wr

 

Torrence is likely to start

 

 

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

2 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

The Bills have to keep reaching into the veteran scrap pile because whether anyone here wants to admit it or not they have had terrible drafts. How many of their 2021-2023 draft picks will start this year? The answer is likely ZERO

 

[ngbills]

3 hours ago, uticaclub said:

They have made Oline moves in the past, they have just kept missing.

This. The moves are not drastically different than in the past. None of them are of the "sure thing" variety. We really wont know until we see them in action. 

 

My issue is that while the OL has clearly had issues and made things more difficult. I would not say it is what will take this team over the top, it is more of the stability level and make the offense work less hard, take pressure off Allen, etc. I am more worried about two things that are important come playoffs:

1) Weapons - If Diggs is shut down what is our answer. 

2) Rushing the QB - Need a healthy Miller and someone else to step up (Floyd, Groot, Oliver). 

[strive_for_five_guy]

Very excited to see what Torrence can bring to the table.

[ColoradoBills]

Evaluating the OL before the pads even go on in camp would be speculation at best.

My off-season number one hope was for improved OL play.  I will be watching for the camp reports with interest.

The 2 guard spots should have good competition for both starters and depth.

 

Fingers crossed that the entire unit stay relatively healthy, especially Spencer Brown.  He needs a good camp for any

chance for significant improvement.

[Process]

Literally impossible to be worse than Saffold, so the line will definitely be better this year.

 

Replacing Brown was a must though, IMO. 

 

IOL should be solid. 

[HOUSE]

I would say yes AFTER  adding DHOP

[I'm Spartacus]

I'm sick of speculating on our free agents and draft picks. We've had some bad luck recently. It's time for some of our acquisitions to become that "diamond in the rough", and become stand out NFL big time players. Why not the Bills? C'mon boys, break through to the upper tier now. We need you!

[AuntieEm]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Aaron Kromer had a bad year. Year 2 for Kromer and Dorsey should be smoother. Plus Saffold was a huge disappointment.

If the OL improves the offense will likely got from 2nd to 1st.

 

  I've heard it said kromer gets better results from players in their 2nd year in his system.  We will see on those returning and the new pieces might fit better.  Gotta think kromer had some input in the guys they brought in.

 

 

 

Edited June 28, 2023 by AuntieEm

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

According to PFF they addressed their interior OL problem with 2 OL that were bad in 2022 and two rookies.

 

I get that fans want to imagine that guys like McGovern, Edwards, Harty and Sherfield will all play SO MUCH better than they were last year because Beane's crystal ball has foretold it...........but they are just shots in the dark not an indication that they've surely made strides in those areas of weakness.

 

 

I happen to agree with this grim take.

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

The crazy thing is this is probably the most they’ve attempted to upgrade the offense since the 2020 off-season… and it’s still somewhat of a lackluster attempt. 
 

 

They are restricted by the cap. All the moves have been nothing special on paper. A hope and wait and see. 

 

Of course, most here remain optimistic the moves with be successful. 

 

Based on the past its hard to do cartwheels of exuberance. 

[hondo in seattle]

Did we do enough?  Probably not.  We certainly don't have the best roster in the NFL. 

 

But it's a good roster - somewhat better than last season's squad, I think. 

 

And sometimes the best roster doesn't take home the Lombardi.  It's certainly not a certainty.  It's not even a probability.  But we have a legit shot.  

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Ok but they really only need to upgrade Saffold on the IOL. Surely one of those guys will be better than Saffold. Can one of them beat out Bates too? Maybe and that would improve OL depth. There is a legit concern about RT. Will just have to see how he does this year. 

I'm of the belief Dawkins is on the downside but he has surprised me before. Would be good to see him play better than he did in 2022. Regardless they have to draft OT in round 1 or 2 next year 

Dawkins is adequate but he's nothing close to being elite. I think this oline is slightly improved but nowhere where it needs to be to win a SB. 

 

The line play on both sides of the ball will likely be the demise of the team. 

 

The game is won in the trenches and once again Beane is playing "pin the tail on the donkey" with his acquisitions.