CB Separation analysis - Sauce is ridiculous

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

 

Cause the Bills line him up at OLB against 2 WR formations? 

 

Yeah, he's very good against the run for a CB. 

 

Would love to not see him get blown up against the likes of Hayden Hurst and Alex Ingold all season long. 

Ya good point wasn't even thinking about that. Well maybe mcd will incorporate some 43 looks n not stay in nickel all game

[JerseyBills]

2 hours ago, ngbills said:

Not if you generate turnovers, the offense makes mistakes - drops etc, or your offense also has long drives. 

Yea and our d since mcd came in is 1 or 2 in the league in forced  t.os . That's the strategy,  try to make the offense work for every 1st down and drag out their drive , hope they make a mistake.. if this dl stays healthy,  I see that turnover # going way up if we have a great pass rush which I think we will. Floyd,Ed Von , can't double them all. 

Edited June 28, 2023 by JerseyBills

[JerseyBills]

3 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I don't think there is anything that McDermott doesn't get.  McDermott sees what wins in the playoffs.  Last season he didn't have the personnel to play any other way.   As I said, I think if he has his starters in the playoffs next season, you'll see a different style of defense.  

Just this beast alone makes an enormous difference. Not only his play but The opposing O has to take valuable time out during the week to come up with a solution to this problem. His instincts are just incredible.  And adding Floyd , I can't wait to see it. Just please stay healthy! This is a great short highlight reel of Von last year 

 

Not to mention an all pro S and his backup. 

 

 

[BuffaloMatt]

I'm separating from this post. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

The comparison table for WRs separating against Man and Zone has Isaiah McKenzie top 5 in separation against man coverage. 

I bet he’s terrible v zone though. Matches what we’ve always seen out of him. 

[BillsShredder83]

6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Our DL is no longer small. Our CBs weren’t manhandled, they just haven’t been good vs KC and Cincy for different reasons. They need to let Elam play because we need his man abilities in the playoffs. Tre White hopefully can bounce back. White, Elam, Johnson is not small or soft at CB.

 

Our DL is much better built for the postseason now. It has been our downfall vs KC and Cincy. 
 

Thiiiiiiiiiiiis. Let the man plaay and learn zone, but dont fully ignore his natural strengths. He can play man with the rest of the D in zone at times, and should!

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I bet he’s terrible v zone though. Matches what we’ve always seen out of him. 

 

Just below halfway. About level with St Brown. Above the likes of Kirk, Deebo, Godwin, Waddle and Myers.

[frostbitmic]

Diggs will score two TD's against him opening night.

[BananaB]

I watched 3 Jets game and he covered Davis in two of them. The only time he was on Diggs he got toasted. The other game was against the Vikings and he wasn’t lining up against Jefferson. He seems to have the refs in his pocket too. 

[DaggersEOD]

8 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Our DL is no longer small. Our CBs weren’t manhandled, they just haven’t been good vs KC and Cincy for different reasons. They need to let Elam play because we need his man abilities in the playoffs. Tre White hopefully can bounce back. White, Elam, Johnson is not small or soft at CB.

 

Our DL is much better built for the postseason now. It has been our downfall vs KC and Cincy. 
 

 

I like the additions we made along the line, but I still would like a beast on the edge. One that can't be held and taken out of the game when the refs decide to keep the flags in their pockets. Hopefully Rousseau continues to develop, but even Von relies on speed, and speed can be cancelled by a hold.

 

Concerning our CBs they just seem to be out physical'd at the point of the catch. It's like our CBs play fair and theirs play hard. It's likely a function on Man vs Zone, so scheme does play a role, but I want playoff CBs and to me, that's jamming on the LOS and tight "hansy" Man.

8 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I think this analysis is correct.  

 

The data about Jackson and Elam point out the bend-don't-break nature of McDermott's defense.  It's always frustrating to see how easily the Bills give up yardage, but at the end of the season the frustration has to be tempered by the fact that, on average over time, McD's defense stops teams better than others. 

 

The problem is that in the playoffs, you're not playing the averages - you're playing one game, and you have to stop people.  

 

Now, maybe the answer to that is to get White back healthy.  When White's back in form, he can take his man man-to-man, especially if the offense lines up their #2 guy against him.   When that happens, the Bills can double the other side, and with that defense the Bills get more stops, which is what's needed in the playoffs.  

 

Also, we just have to wait and see about Elam.  He had good cover skills coming out of college, and we didn't see him stand out much in that area.   Frankly, I think in college he didn't need much more than good cover skills, and he probably never learned much of anything about more sophisticated defensive backfield schemes, which the Bills run a lot of.   He struggled with the defense most of last season.  I'm hopeful that this season he'll be more comfortable in the defense, which will also make him more comfortable when he's in man.  And I'm not counting Benford out, either.  

 

Bottom line, though, is that it's tough to win in the playoffs when your defensive scheme is bend-don't-break and your corners are mediocre, as this chart shows about Elam and Jackson.  

 

White-Elam-Johnson-Poyer-Hyde are the guys I want on the field in the playoffs.  

 

That's a great way to put it Shaw thank you. Playing the averages works for the Regular season, but in the playoffs, each game is a stand-alone, do or die, win or go home situation.

 

I agree, in those games, you can't play the averages, you have to play like there is no tomorrow. Meaning bend but don't break, just won't cut it.  

 

There's a difference in intensity that these recent Bills squads just don't seem to be able to match.

 

I'm very much hoping that with McD calling the plays, we'll be a much more aggressive team.

 

 

 

 

[DCofNC]

17 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Seeing the complaining about the holding is irritating to me.  You play the game the refs allow and push the limits.

How many playoff games have we seen KC hold the livin isht out of us...... no flags, it was effective, we lost.........

 

We need to replicate it. Experiment, figure out the sweet spot for the crew refing the game. Yes, literally study tape on on what each crew is calling or not

 

^^ this is a two sided coin. teach our CBs how to play playoff football.  teach our WR's how to overcome it. Swipe them freaking hands off you with a violent forearm.

Not only get used to being physical, seek it out, make it your advantage. Make other teams dread playing you, we're gunna bang you up, and you can cry to the refs while youre down 2 scores

Nah, we’ll give you 10 yards of cushion, no pass rush and tackle you with a pillow, especially with the game on the line.

[Maine-iac]

Silver lining ............. Dantzler was (according to this) as good in coverage as any of our CB's listed and now he's a Bill.

[PrimeTime101]

8 hours ago, BuffaloMatt said:

I'm separating from this post. 

[Einstein]

Wow. Look at McDuffie.

[chongli]

15 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Is 0-0 ideal, so Steph Gilmore?

 

It would be nice if there were a key to his chart.

[Shaw66]

7 hours ago, DaggersEOD said:

 

I like the additions we made along the line, but I still would like a beast on the edge. One that can't be held and taken out of the game when the refs decide to keep the flags in their pockets. Hopefully Rousseau continues to develop, but even Von relies on speed, and speed can be cancelled by a hold.

 

Concerning our CBs they just seem to be out physical'd at the point of the catch. It's like our CBs play fair and theirs play hard. It's likely a function on Man vs Zone, so scheme does play a role, but I want playoff CBs and to me, that's jamming on the LOS and tight "hansy" Man.

 

That's a great way to put it Shaw thank you. Playing the averages works for the Regular season, but in the playoffs, each game is a stand-alone, do or die, win or go home situation.

 

I agree, in those games, you can't play the averages, you have to play like there is no tomorrow. Meaning bend but don't break, just won't cut it.  

 

There's a difference in intensity that these recent Bills squads just don't seem to be able to match.

 

I'm very much hoping that with McD calling the plays, we'll be a much more aggressive team.

 

 

 

 

I agree about this. They haven't been intense enough in the okayoffs, and I'm sure McD knows that.   And I fully expect to see more aggressive play calling on the defense, all season long.  It adds to unpredictability, and McD likes that.

[Chaos]

On 6/28/2023 at 8:50 AM, Shaw66 said:

tough to win in the playoffs when your defensive scheme is bend-don't-break

maybe the strategy isn't to focus on winning playoff games, but simply being competitive and making the playoffs. The bend-don't-break strategy was incredible succesful for Beane and McDermott having recently received long contract extensions.