Josh Allen and the next Steps we need him to make to be the best.

[Success]

1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said:

you did not read my original post at al did you. read the title and replied didn't you?  As stated, I was referring to what it would take for JA to be best in league. 

 

I read through it.  I just disagreed w/ a lot of it, which is fine.  It's sports, so opinions will vary.

 

 

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

The Rams game was a lot of designed quick game. It was something Daboll did well

Don’t agree withvthis.  Then why is Allen depth of target big for his career?

 

 

[PrimeTime101]

28 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I read through it.  I just disagreed w/ a lot of it, which is fine.  It's sports, so opinions will vary.

 

 

 

 

I just think JA has the chance to be the best damn QB in football today. Just hope he among others on this team improve to help him get there.

[balln]

9 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I just think JA has the chance to be the best damn QB in football today. Just hope he among others on this team improve to help him get there.

I don’t think so. He’s not elite accurate in short / quick passing game. Not quick enough like mahommes 

 

he’s great tho and I’m glad we have him 

[PrimeTime101]

16 minutes ago, balln said:

I don’t think so. He’s not elite accurate in short / quick passing game. Not quick enough like mahommes 

 

he’s great tho and I’m glad we have him 

then you CLEARLY did not see what he did in the Rams game. Short passing quick throwing all game long.... I think it is delusional to think any top 3 QB in this league Can't be the best in game at any given year. 

[Success]

26 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I just think JA has the chance to be the best damn QB in football today. Just hope he among others on this team improve to help him get there.

 

Which is cool, of course.  My response didn't really address that - it was more that I want to see other areas of the team rise to the level he is setting (which I'm sure isn't too controversial).

 

I understand why opposing fans and pundits have Mahomes as the best right now. But it's really just the titles. I think Allen probably has the same success if he had been w/ the Chiefs this whole time.  

 

20 minutes ago, balln said:

I don’t think so. He’s not elite accurate in short / quick passing game. Not quick enough like mahommes 

 

he’s great tho and I’m glad we have him 

 

That's just last season. He has that skillset.  The elbow injury affected those intermediate throws the most.

 

[balln]

5 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

then you CLEARLY did not see what he did in the Rams game. Short passing quick throwing all game long.... I think it is delusional to think any top 3 QB in this league Can't be the best in game at any given year. 

Yea one game - and the rams sucked. Where was he vs bengals. Mahommes has game after game. Already w mvp and super bowls. Stop being a rose colored glass wearing homer . Live in reality.

 

you think Josh Allen is better than joe burrow or pat mahommes ? 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Which is cool, of course.  My response didn't really address that - it was more that I want to see other areas of the team rise to the level he is setting (which I'm sure isn't too controversial).

 

I understand why opposing fans and pundits have Mahomes as the best right now. But it's really just the titles. I think Allen probably has the same success if he had been w/ the Chiefs this whole time.  

 

 

That's just last season. He has that skillset.  The elbow injury affected those intermediate throws the most.

 

It’s not intermediate. It’s the short / elite accuracy ball placement anticipation passing game I think he’s lacking. consistently going to that part of his game as needed in game as defense gives him is what he fails to do. Every D says it - they dare him to take underneath. His own coach says in offseason. Processing and speeding up 

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Not a Daboll/Dorsey thing imo

 

more a Beasley/McKenzie issue

If we need Allen to improve or get to another level to win a Super Bowl it's likely not going to happen

 

He threw 14 INTS, Burrow and Mahomes both had 12

Bingo. If over the next 3 seasons Allen plays EXACTLY as he has the last 3 seasons he will be more then good enough to win a Super Bowl.  The key to the Bills wining a Super Bowl is not Allen getting better it is:

 

* elevating the O line from being one of the worst in the NFL to just being average.

 

* redirecting resources away from the D in order to add quality skill players

 

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, balln said:

Yea one game - and the rams sucked. Where was he vs bengals. Mahommes has game after game. Already w mvp and super bowls. Stop being a rose colored glass wearing homer . Live in reality.

 

you think Josh Allen is better than joe burrow or pat mahommes ?

 

I think Allen is equal to Mahomes and better then Burrow and I think Burrow is great.

 

 

[PrimeTime101]

16 minutes ago, balln said:

Yea one game - and the rams sucked. Where was he vs bengals. Mahommes has game after game. Already w mvp and super bowls. Stop being a rose colored glass wearing homer . Live in reality.

 

you think Josh Allen is better than joe burrow or pat mahommes ? 

I think he can be yes Right now? I look at it as tiers. the 3 of them are in the same tier. Mahomes has had elite talent around him from day one. Can Josh Allen get there? I absolutely believe it 

[CincyBillsFan]

18 minutes ago, balln said:

It’s not intermediate. It’s the short / elite accuracy ball placement anticipation passing game I think he’s lacking. consistently going to that part of his game as needed in game as defense gives him is what he fails to do. Every D says it - they dare him to take underneath. His own coach says in offseason. Processing and speeding up 

 

 

Did you watch the drives Allen orchestrated at the end to win the Chiefs, Ravens and 2nd Dolphins games? 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

it is not even as much about the time as it is about trusting the line to do their job. When you lose trust... you get happy feet all game.

I agree. When guys like Saffold,  Quessenberry and Brown get beat immediately,  your qb is going to instantly go into happy feet mode. I think this behavior over the last 5 years is a huge result of our poorly rated OL since 2018.  It also effects how little we run the ball. Hopefully this is the season guys like McGovern and Torrence can turn things around?  Maybe Shell beats out Spencer?

[balln]

6 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Did you watch the drives Allen orchestrated at the end to win the Chiefs, Ravens and 2nd Dolphins games? 

 

Yea. I care about the playoffs . Bengals game was a joke . Mia he kept going for haymakers. And then fumbled for a td 

6 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I agree. When guys like Saffold,  Quessenberry and Brown get beat immediately,  your qb is going to instantly go into happy feet mode. I think this behavior over the last 5 years is a huge result of our poorly rated OL since 2018.  It also effects how little we run the ball. Hopefully this is the season guys like McGovern and Torrence can turn things around?  Maybe Shell beats out Spencer?

Yea beane and McD are super clingy to guys they draft when they just suck. Nathan peterman and Cody ford come to mind.  Gotta play the more reliable RT whomever he may be 

Edited June 28, 2023 by balln

[PrimeTime101]

18 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I agree. When guys like Saffold,  Quessenberry and Brown get beat immediately,  your qb is going to instantly go into happy feet mode. I think this behavior over the last 5 years is a huge result of our poorly rated OL since 2018.  It also effects how little we run the ball. Hopefully this is the season guys like McGovern and Torrence can turn things around?  Maybe Shell beats out Spencer?

I think watching positional battles this year is going to be more fun then ever. Does anyone compete for #2 WR? The competition is huge at #3  Guards, RT, Mic LB. Going to be one of the more fun preseasons to watch. 

[Patrick Duffy]

11 minutes ago, balln said:

Yea one game - and the rams sucked. Where was he vs bengals. Mahommes has game after game. Already w mvp and super bowls. Stop being a rose colored glass wearing homer . Live in reality.

 

you think Josh Allen is better than joe burrow or pat mahommes ? 

 

 

It’s not intermediate. It’s the short / elite accuracy ball placement anticipation passing game I think he’s lacking. consistently going to that part of his game as needed in game as defense gives him is what he fails to do. Every D says it - they dare him to take underneath. His own coach says in offseason. Processing and speeding up 

 

 

 

I can understand to a certain extent where you're coming from about this. Although I do get the impression that you're not taking any other factors into consideration and only taking a single factor of just Josh for this issue. 

 

It's more that plays part for generally every issue and have to look at the whole thing. Things such as play calling, Oline protection issues, and drop off in WR talent (specifically the slot), elbow injury etc. It's more than just a Josh problem is my point.

[90sBills]

47 minutes ago, balln said:

Yea one game - and the rams sucked. Where was he vs bengals. Mahommes has game after game. Already w mvp and super bowls. Stop being a rose colored glass wearing homer . Live in reality.

 

you think Josh Allen is better than joe burrow or pat mahommes ? 

 

 

It’s not intermediate. It’s the short / elite accuracy ball placement anticipation passing game I think he’s lacking. consistently going to that part of his game as needed in game as defense gives him is what he fails to do. Every D says it - they dare him to take underneath. His own coach says in offseason. Processing and speeding up 

 

 

This is part of processing. He’s a tad slower than Mahomes on this aspect. He doesn’t see the whole field where all his guys are relative to where the defenders are. Protection issues  definitely affect this but it’s also on him. Hopefully this part will be better next season. If it is then turnovers would go down and numbers of 5yds dump offs that goes for 20yds will go up. 

[90sBills]

2 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

you did not read my original post at al did you. read the title and replied didn't you?  As stated, I was referring to what it would take for JA to be best in league. 

Wow didn’t realized Allen needs to be defended in this thread. If status quo isn’t working then everyone needs to improve. This is pretty standard stuffs for any teams, organizations, individuals etc. 

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, balln said:

Yea. I care about the playoffs . Bengals game was a joke . Mia he kept going for haymakers. And then fumbled for a td 

Yea beane and McD are super clingy to guys they draft when they just suck. Nathan peterman and Cody ford come to mind.  Gotta play the more reliable RT whomever he may be 

Allen>Burrow in the playoffs by quite a bit

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I think watching positional battles this year is going to be more fun then ever. Does anyone compete for #2 WR? The competition is huge at #3  Guards, RT, Mic LB. Going to be one of the more fun preseasons to watch. 

I just don't have alot of faith in Davis. Maybe he perks up in his contract year but I'm not holding my breath.  The 4 wrs that intrigue me the most are the "Sh" gang.  Shakir & Sherfield should battle for #3. And don't count out the 6-4 Shorter and Shavers. At least 3 of those guys make the team.

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Not a Daboll/Dorsey thing imo

 

more a Beasley/McKenzie issue

 

That was certainly a factor but there just seemed fewer designed into the offense. 

7 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Don’t agree withvthis.  Then why is Allen depth of target big for his career?

 

I am not arguing Allen only does quick game. Josh is a brilliant intermediate thrower and a good deep ball thrower. But when he has been at his absolute best there has been a diet of quick game mixed in. It helps move the chains, it helps force the defense to come up and it helps Josh get in rhythm, get completions and get rolling. It all aids the deep game. 

[Lost]

7 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Bingo. If over the next 3 seasons Allen plays EXACTLY as he has the last 3 seasons he will be more then good enough to win a Super Bowl.  The key to the Bills wining a Super Bowl is not Allen getting better it is:

 

* elevating the O line from being one of the worst in the NFL to just being average.

 

* redirecting resources away from the D in order to add quality skill players

 

 

 

 

I think Allen is equal to Mahomes and better then Burrow and I think Burrow is great.

 

 

 

All the best QB stuff aside.  Im not sure anyone would disagree that out of the group, Josh Allen is the most fun to watch.