Josh Allen and the next Steps we need him to make to be the best.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:

My list is below...some other other stuff is not real in the OP..poise and leadership.   JA has performed great in pressure situations.

• reduce turnovers by 25%
• 300 more passing yards, 300 less rushing yards
• Take check downs a little more...reference the Rams game last year.
• A more consistent running game from running backs

 

The Rams game was a lot of designed quick game. It was something Daboll did well and I think Dorsey after the Rams game did less well. Josh has never been and is never going to be a big check down guy and frankly I don't want him to be. But I think you have to design some "back foot down, ball out" type plays. First because they force teams up and allow you the 1 on 1s deep and second because they get Josh in rhythm and while he can hurt you off structure, ad libing every play when you get him settled and in rhythm he is borderline unstoppable. And I feel like he makes better decisions when he lets go of the ball. When he holds and holds he seems to force it more.

Edited June 27, 2023 by GunnerBill

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, Jerome007 said:

Josh has likely improved, but if he played the same as 2022 or 2021, but with this much improved OLine and the new WR/RB corp, the Bills O is scary! Those 2 guards and a healthier Brown will make him have more time, and all the good things follow.

Not to mention the offensive line depth is a lot better, last season the only decent backup was Queese, this year they added Torrence which moved Bates back to a super backup and they added Edwards a solid guard who started on a Super Bowl winner in addition to having Queese back and kicking the tires on Snell. The Oline is much better equipped to absorb an injury or two which happens as usually one or two linemen will miss some time 

[Chaos]

8 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

So for me there are a few things I need Josh Allen to improve on because I do not think we have seen his Ceiling yet. I think Josh has been playing to much of a different game then Burrow and Mahomes because, until this year... the makeup of this offense has not been right. There are 2 things you can do if you do not have a top 10 offensive line. 1. Have great WR's or 2 have a some TE's that do different things for you that can help in protection and another getting open more. We now have that so for me, There is little excuse for Josh to take the final steps to greatness. Do not get me wrong he is top tier and the most dynamic guy out there... BUT.. there is STILL room for improvement and that should excite this fanbase!

 

Steps for improvement 

Fumbles. 8 freaking fumbles last year. I would like to see JA break his own record of 4 or less fumbles this year. (I think we can all agree with this)

Find the open player faster while in the pocket. I think this can get achieved do to a better O'Line. Last year Josh got a little jumpy in there because the lack of trust on the line.

Poise. I do not need to see him have Joe Burrow Poise,,, But I think we can all see he loses it in his head from time to time

A better VOCAL LEADER on this team. LOOK... lol... i do not doubt JA is a good leader, BUUUUUUUUUUUT ... lol... when that RT or that LG breaks down over and over I want to see Josh in their faces on that sideline. 

 

I know some are going to bring up play-calling in this thread. That is fine... But lets concentrate on what the "MAN" can do better and not the men behind the MAN. 

 

2 if's. IF we finally figured out the offensive line and Kincaid is as good as many are predicting? We have a chance to blow this out of the water. 

 

I will always call Josh Allen the most Dynamic QB in this league. HE will always be on my top 3... but this year... he has a chance to be #1. I think he can do it.. What do you think? 

 

EDITED

 

A run game that does not include JA as a main factor should not be left out. 

People need to get real. We have a QB who produces in the top 3 in the league. In 2021 playoffs against the chiefs he put the team on his back to come back time and time again, only to have the coaches choke away the game in 13 seconds.  We should just pray Josh can maintain the current level of productivity and the rest of the team can stop clownshowing the playoffs. 

Edited June 27, 2023 by Chaos

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:

My list is below...some other other stuff is not real in the OP..poise and leadership.   JA has performed great in pressure situations.

• reduce turnovers by 25%
• 300 more passing yards, 300 less rushing yards
• Take check downs a little more...reference the Rams game last year.
• A more consistent running game from running backs

More running backs contribution in the run and pass game, quick slant passes, seem passes to the tights ends, quick passes to the Wrs, a few RPOs, power running with Harris, up tempo no huddle offense very frequently, and take a few timely shots downfield. 

 

On defense, McD is the best in the game. His defense should be top 3 in the league. I suspect a top 5 defense in the red zone. McD D will be more aggressive and cause lots of turnovers. This will break out year for several Bills pass rushers. Oliver and Rousseau may be pro bowl bound. This is the year AJ and Boogie thrive. Bills will be top ten in sacks this year. 

 

I think this could be the year. Great defense and well rounded offense. Almost a throwback version of football. 

 

Keep your QB safe, limit turnovers, pound the rock, play great D quick passing first or 2nd read let it rip, and conservatively take your shots deep. 

[PrimeTime101]

12 minutes ago, Chaos said:

People need to get real. We have a QB who produces in the top 3 in the league. In 2021 playoffs against the chiefs he put the team on his back to come back time and time again, only to have the coaches choke away the game in 13 seconds.  We should just pray Josh can maintain the current level of productivity and the rest of the team can stop clownshowing the playoffs. 

no one here is slamming JA chaos. I think you need to reread my thread. I already said he was a top 3 QB. These are things that would make him #1 and he aint far from it.  and yes I agree, the rest of the team does need to step it up as well. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Dorsey needs to scheme up 4-5 easy high percentage completions per game.  There are so few times per game the offense is schemed up to pick up an easy 5-8 yards.  Either Josh is not taking the easy stuff or Dorsey is not designing it.  Watch Brady and Rodgers. There are so many times a game they pick up a small chunks of yards to put them in 2nd or 3rd and short.  

If Dorsey does that, Allen will thrown 2-3 less picks over the course of the season. His comp % will go up, the ball will be spread around, and there will be less need for hero ball.   There is an absolute time and a place when hero ball is needed.  But that has to be the exception not the rule.  

[newcam2012]

4 minutes ago, Chaos said:

People need to get real. We have a QB who produces in the top 3 in the league. In 2021 playoffs against the chiefs he put the team on his back to come back time and time again, only to have the coaches choke away the game in 13 seconds.  We should just pray Josh can maintain the current level of productivity and the rest of the team can stop clownshowing the playoffs. 

You have to protect Allen from Allen. He's too reckless and that leads to too many critical turnovers. He has too much on his plate. Make it more simple for him. 

 

Have a solid running game. Run the ball consistently 20 plus times a game. The oline is vastly improved. Have Allen make a lot of quick throws and one and two reads only. Limit his running and scrambling because of injury concerns. Gotta play smart don't take risk. No Allen equals no playoffs. Allen has to take the underneath throws, screen passes, and slants. The WR upgrades this year should produce dividends. 

 

The defense should be in beast mode all year. McD knows defenses. I expect a top defense in the league. McD knows his guys and knows how to get the best out of them. 

 

Allen doesn't have to be superman anymore. Less turnovers, more power running, commit to the run, safer passes, and a great D. That's a good recipe for hoisting the Lombardi. 

[PrimeTime101]

1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

You have to protect Allen from Allen. He's too reckless and that leads to too many critical turnovers. He has too much on his plate. Make it more simple for him. 

 

Have a solid running game. Run the ball consistently 20 plus times a game. The oline is vastly improved. Have Allen make a lot of quick throws and one and two reads only. Limit his running and scrambling because of injury concerns. Gotta play smart don't take risk. No Allen equals no playoffs. Allen has to take the underneath throws, screen passes, and slants. The WR upgrades this year should produce dividends. 

 

The defense should be in beast mode all year. McD knows defenses. I expect a top defense in the league. McD knows his guys and knows how to get the best out of them. 

 

Allen doesn't have to be superman anymore. Less turnovers, more power running, commit to the run, safer passes, and a great D. That's a good recipe for hoisting the Lombardi. 

For the first Time I agree with you. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

14 minutes ago, Chaos said:

People need to get real. We have a QB who produces in the top 3 in the league. In 2021 playoffs against the chiefs he put the team on his back to come back time and time again, only to have the coaches choke away the game in 13 seconds.  We should just pray Josh can maintain the current level of productivity and the rest of the team can stop clownshowing the playoffs. 

He was tied for second in the league in INT last year with one less game.  He had multiple dropped INTs. He is great but there are areas he can get better.

[newcam2012]

1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said:

no one here is slamming JA chaos. I think you need to reread my thread. I already said he was a top 3 QB. These are things that would make him #1 and he aint far from it.  and yes I agree, the rest of the team does need to step it up as well. 

I'm not concerned with Allen stats. The priority is keeping Allen healthy. Don't increase his chances of getting injuried. More hits equates to more injuries. 

[Chaos]

5 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I'm not concerned with Allen stats. The priority is keeping Allen healthy. Don't increase his chances of getting injuried. More hits equates to more injuries. 

And I just said be realisitic. Most super bowls are won by teams without the best QB that year.    No one folliowing the bengals chiefs or eagles is worrired about how mahomes, burrows or hurts is going to get better.   It is patently ridiculous to expect more production from the QB position than we have gotten for the last 4 years.  Maintaining it is the goal. Is it theorectical possible to improve in some areas yes, but overall there just is no more juices to squeeze from superman.

Edited June 27, 2023 by Chaos

[PrimeTime101]

32 minutes ago, Chaos said:

People need to get real. We have a QB who produces in the top 3 in the league. In 2021 playoffs against the chiefs he put the team on his back to come back time and time again, only to have the coaches choke away the game in 13 seconds.  We should just pray Josh can maintain the current level of productivity and the rest of the team can stop clownshowing the playoffs. 

I mean, you really need to stop perching JA on cloud 9 acting like he can do no wrong. ENDZONE TURNOVERS! maybe I should of added that one.. He threw way many INT last year. These are things JA can easily improve but God forbid we question or hope he gets to the final level..

 

 

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The Rams game was a lot of designed quick game. It was something Daboll did well and I think Dorsey after the Rams game did less well. Josh has never been and is never going to be a big check down guy and frankly I don't want him to be. But I think you have to design some "back foot down, ball out" type plays. First because they force teams up and allow you the 1 on 1s deep and second because they get Josh in rhythm and while he can hurt you off structure, ad libing every play when you get him settled and in rhythm he is borderline unstoppable. And I feel like he makes better decisions when he lets go of the ball. When he holds and holds he seems to force it more.

Not a Daboll/Dorsey thing imo

 

more a Beasley/McKenzie issue

2 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I mean, you really need to stop perching JA on cloud 9 acting like he can do no wrong. ENDZONE TURNOVERS! maybe I should of added that one.. He threw way many INT last year. These are things JA can easily improve but God forbid we question or hope he gets to the final level..

 

 

If we need Allen to improve or get to another level to win a Super Bowl it's likely not going to happen

 

He threw 14 INTS, Burrow and Mahomes both had 12

[BBFL]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

He has to be a better more consistent decision maker. Josh's ceiling is the best in the league. His floor is lower than the other top guys he belongs in the conversation with. And it is because of the decision making. 

 

I don't want to take the hero ball away. We are always going to have to live with a bit of that for the incredible plays he can make. But he needs to be more consistent as a decision maker. He can't live out of structure as much as he has at times. 

 

As for what the Bills can do.... the two main things are proctect him better and design more plays to get the ball out of his hands fast. 

That was one thing I liked about Daboll. He was never afraid to try and reel Josh in when the game was getting out of hand or had the potential for the wheels to come off. When Josh is on, it’s him or Pat for the best in the league. The adage of “let the game come to him” fits Josh best. When he lets that happen it’s absolutely terrifying how he can decimate a team in a calm and collected manner. 
 

MVP. 

[Success]

Allen doesn't need to improve.  No QB is perfect.  

 

The rest of the team & coaching have to catch up to his level of play.  Then we win a SB.

 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

Allen doesn't need to improve.  No QB is perfect.  

 

The rest of the team & coaching have to catch up to his level of play.  Then we win a SB.

 

correct

 

there's only so much better Allen can be. Whereas there are other areas of the team that can improve significantly more

 

how much can you realistically squeeze out of the QB position...if he needs to be perfect to win a SB then it's not going to happen

[PromoTheRobot]

I'm sure this was already cited:

1) Block for him

2) Improve the run game.

3) Profit!

[Eastport bills]

Josh has been hamstrung by a coaching staff that has failed to provide an O-line that could sustain a real running game. His instincts to find a way to win has made him vulnerable to turnovers and taking punishment. Dorsey has not helped with predictable play calling and too many home run balls and Josh designed runs. This season needs to be about a balanced attack with the OC taking what defenses give us and keeping Josh in the pocket more, That should keep all of our playmakers engaged and being more unpredictable.

[PrimeTime101]

24 minutes ago, Success said:

Allen doesn't need to improve.  No QB is perfect.  

 

The rest of the team & coaching have to catch up to his level of play.  Then we win a SB.

 

you did not read my original post at al did you. read the title and replied didn't you?  As stated, I was referring to what it would take for JA to be best in league. 

[oldmanfan]

Focusing just on Josh:

 

Learn to take the easy throw when it’s there.  
 

Focusing on the offense in general:

 

Continue adding to the O line.