McDermott & Beane Extended Through 2027

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

So WHO IS? Name this magical man or men that could and can take Allen over the hump and into the promised land. 

I've said this before but at this point it would have to be an established extremely successful offensive head coach who's won or been to a Super Bowl recently.  I can't think of any that were available.  You could make the case for Sean Payton but he hasn't won one since 2009.

 

If you're Pegula you'd look like an idiot if you fire a proven winner who hasn't quite broken through in the playoffs yet, hire the best next young offensive coordinator like Ben Johnson, and then realize he's not meant to be a head coach (Josh McDaniels, Nate Hackett, Adam Gase, Marty Mornhinweng, Mike McCoy, Cam Cameron, Norv Turner, etc..).  Plus, it's not really fair to hire a first time head coach and have the fan base saying Super Bowl or bust their first year. 

 

Then there's always the fear that McDermott will turn around a franchise somewhere else and win a Super Bowl making you look like even more of an idiot.  Don't think these thoughts aren't going through Pegula's head as he is human after all.

[PrimeTime101]

8 hours ago, NewEra said:

85% of your posts are little jabs. Like super weak jabs thrown by a babies toe weak. 

 

15% of your posts, I see a rational side of you.  With thought.  Not emotions

you need to temper your expectations bro..

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ha ha ha ha ha

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I've said this before but at this point it would have to be an established extremely successful offensive head coach who's won or been to a Super Bowl recently.  I can't think of any that were available.  You could make the case for Sean Payton but he hasn't won one since 2009.

 

If you're Pegula you'd look like an idiot if you fire a proven winner who hasn't quite broken through in the playoffs yet, hire the best next young offensive coordinator like Ben Johnson, and then realize he's not meant to be a head coach (Josh McDaniels, Nate Hackett, Adam Gase, Marty Mornhinweng, Mike McCoy, Cam Cameron, Norv Turner, etc..).  Plus, it's not really fair to hire a first time head coach and have the fan base saying Super Bowl or bust their first year. 

 

Then there's always the fear that McDermott will turn around a franchise somewhere else and win a Super Bowl making you look like even more of an idiot.  Don't think these thoughts aren't going through Pegula's head as he is human after all.

I don't think that's Pegula's mindset at all. He isn't scared of making a change based on looking foolish. That's something I just can't buy into. My sense thinks Pegula feels McD and Beane can progress the team further. Hopefully, he's right. 

 

Most coaches would gladly accept the challenge of the Bills head coaching job. Having Allen aboard makes their job instantly successful or at the very least easier. Coaches know the risk they take. I don't believe the it's not fair philosophy applies whatsoever. 

 

It's an assessment of risk vs reward. Weigh them and ask yourself are the Bills better with McD as their head coach. I think most fans would answer yes.

 

Fear of change is often an obstacle to success. Just something to ponder. 

 

 

Edited June 24, 2023 by newcam2012

[Pete]

13 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I hope it wasn’t one of the first things you learned about him…..like so many of the people who ever attended Harvard. 

Nope- it took two years for me to find out.  His brother told me,and it wasn’t a brag.  Brilliant family, but very humble and honorable 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

You people need to relax lol

How am I supposed to relax when I’m so angry?

[Chandler#81]

As for not getting it ‘done’ in 6 years, here’s a tribute to perseverance.
 

https://fb.watch/lmvS2nTbnW/

[The Wiz]

5 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

You people need to relax lol

This thread in a nutshell.

[Billsflyer12]

7 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Active coach at least.  I would assume it's true also.

 

Not that crazy if you think someone that has been coaching for 6 years though.

 

There are plenty other who have coached for less time that are on that list as well.

 

That doesn't make them bad coaches, just haven't been in the league as long.

1). John Madden is the only coach of the 73 Super Bowl coaches in the history of the NFL to have gone longer than McD without making a Super Bowl appearance.  Madden did it in Season 8.  

 

2). Only 11 coaches won their 1st Super Bowl season 7 or later, only 3 (Tom Landry, John Madden, Bill Cowher) did so with their 1st team as Head Coach.

 

3).  In fact of the 35 different Super Bowl winning head coaches, 29 of them won their 1st championship within the first 5 seasons.

 

4). No team has ever started the same QB under the same head coach for more than 5 years and seen that duo win its 1st championship.

 

These historical stats, along with the current trend from last 5 Super Bowls of only 1 defensive coach (Belichick last SB in 2018 season) being defensive get me to the conclusion that McD even making, let alone winning a Super Bowl is extreme long shot.  
 

Yes he could be the exception to all this information, but no one would bet those odds.  

 

Furthermore, it’s not personal for me.  I’m pretty sure he is a great man and I know he is a really good head coach.  That just doesn’t change the facts, data, and historical trends that tell me he is not likely to get to the ultimate prize with the Bills.  I sincerely hope he proves all this information and me wrong.

Edited June 24, 2023 by Billsflyer12

[Coach Tuesday]

McD is a very good coach who has shown the ability to self-scout and course-correct.  He deserves the job security.

 

Beane, on the other hand?  He’s one of those employees who bet on the right horses (McDermott and Allen) and has mostly survived by hitting it straight down the fairway.  Frankly he’s lucky to have somehow made it past the 2022 offseason - maybe he convinced Terry not to penalize him for Von’s injury.  Because the 2022 draft and free agency forays were unmitigated disasters for a team that needed a real talent infusion to get it over the top.  

[ddaryl]

I think the bottom line fact at this junction is these extensions are premature

If by chance we goto the playoffs and implode or fail to show up... again... then I believe we need to move on

My confidence in the McDerott and Beane is dwindling. Beane may be good at the salary cap, but the players he has signed and drafted are more misses than homeruns, and alot of Ho-Hum types... Maybe this year is different, but by chance if we see the same type of stuff as last season his extension is going to get ripped as more fans pile on 

If McD cannot fix our bend don't break D and eliminate playoff gafs, or having a team who looks unprepared for a stretch of the season and seeing it the playoffs then the extension is going to get ripped as more fans pile on

I believe this season had to be let's see if they can fix their short comings then we'll talk extension but for some reason Pegula's thought they had to rush to get this done before we actually see the baby

3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

McD is a very good coach who has shown the ability to self-scout and course-correct.  He deserves the job security.

 

 

 

 

I guess I need examples of self-scout and course-correction... 

[Since1981]

I guess when you have $5B burning a hole in your pocket…..

[DaggersEOD]

22 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

Dude what are you talking about?? How is your first thought about this a race thing?

New grade school curriculum

[newcam2012]

55 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

1). John Madden is the only coach of the 73 Super Bowl coaches in the history of the NFL to have gone longer than McD without making a Super Bowl appearance.  Madden did it in Season 8.  

 

2). Only 11 coaches won their 1st Super Bowl season 7 or later, only 3 (Tom Landry, John Madden, Bill Cowher) did so with their 1st team as Head Coach.

 

3).  In fact of the 35 different Super Bowl winning head coaches, 29 of them won their 1st championship within the first 5 seasons.

 

4). No team has ever started the same QB under the same head coach for more than 5 years and seen that duo win its 1st championship.

 

These historical stats, along with the current trend from last 5 Super Bowls of only 1 defensive coach (Belichick last SB in 2018 season) being defensive get me to the conclusion that McD even making, let alone winning a Super Bowl is extreme long shot.  
 

Yes he could be the exception to all this information, but no one would bet those odds.  

 

Furthermore, it’s not personal for me.  I’m pretty sure he is a great man and I know he is a really good head coach.  That just doesn’t change the facts, data, and historical trends that tell me he is not likely to get to the ultimate prize with the Bills.  I sincerely hope he proves all this information and me wrong.

Really solid data backing up your viewpoint. 

 

I happen to agree with you. 

 

Also, I would like to add some unscientific data to the equation. Just do an eyeball test and ask yourself why do you think McD is the man? Just look at his playoff history. The Texans loss. The Jags loss. The 13 second heart ripping disaster. The Cinci embarrassment.

 

 

 

 

[Dillenger4]

7 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

so these people, these stone cold lock coaches/gms have been “mentioned numerous times” and yet you can’t name me one. Give me your best - just one name then, since I must have missed the virtual geyser of coaching and GM candidates better than McBeane all you lay on your ass on the couch experts have in your little sticky red white & blue binders. Please 🙏 enlighten us

Lighten up dude/dudette

He has an opinion. If you don't like it go back to your sausage party, muslim festival or LGBTQ fest and live it up. We don't care what u think either.

McD and beaner got what they deserve! Let's be happy we have them.

It's fans (or tools) like yourself that make this world a menutia.

[Einstein]

10 hours ago, Dopey said:

Reid didn’t make the afc championship game until year 6.

 

Uhm, no.

Reid made the AFC Championship game in year 3, 4, 5, and 6. And went to the Super Bowl in year 6.

 

By the same point in his career that McDermott is in now, Reid had been in 3 more championship games and a Super Bowl.

 

 

 

I must admit. I laughed when I saw that @Augie liked your post that was filled with factual errors. Shows that some posters don’t want facts - they simply want their feelings and opinions validated.

[Billsflyer12]

12 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Really solid data backing up your viewpoint. 

 

I happen to agree with you. 

 

Also, I would like to add some unscientific data to the equation. Just do an eyeball test and ask yourself why do you think McD is the man? Just look at his playoff history. The Texans loss. The Jags loss. The 13 second heart ripping disaster. The Cinci embarrassment.

 

 

 

 

Certainly, again not personal.  I like the man, and he is a good coach.

 

Bills defense in last 3 playoff losses:

 

CIN:  27 pts, 412 yards, 30 1st downs, 60% allowed on 3rd/4th down

 

KC:  42 pts, 552 yards, 30 1st downs, 64% allowed 3rd/4th down

 

KC:  38 pts, 439 yards, 29 1st downs, 64% on 3rd/4th downs

 

0 Turnovers forced and 4 total sacks

 

[BBFL]

1 hour ago, Billsflyer12 said:

1). John Madden is the only coach of the 73 Super Bowl coaches in the history of the NFL to have gone longer than McD without making a Super Bowl appearance.  Madden did it in Season 8.  

 

2). Only 11 coaches won their 1st Super Bowl season 7 or later, only 3 (Tom Landry, John Madden, Bill Cowher) did so with their 1st team as Head Coach.

 

3).  In fact of the 35 different Super Bowl winning head coaches, 29 of them won their 1st championship within the first 5 seasons.

 

4). No team has ever started the same QB under the same head coach for more than 5 years and seen that duo win its 1st championship.

 

These historical stats, along with the current trend from last 5 Super Bowls of only 1 defensive coach (Belichick last SB in 2018 season) being defensive get me to the conclusion that McD even making, let alone winning a Super Bowl is extreme long shot.  
 

Yes he could be the exception to all this information, but no one would bet those odds.  

 

Furthermore, it’s not personal for me.  I’m pretty sure he is a great man and I know he is a really good head coach.  That just doesn’t change the facts, data, and historical trends that tell me he is not likely to get to the ultimate prize with the Bills.  I sincerely hope he proves all this information and me wrong.

How many coaches have not made the Super Bowl? Well if you go by the numbers… 518 HC’s in the history of the NFL with 73 making appearances in the big one… that leaves 445. Of that I have no doubt there are numerous really good head coaches 

 

Can’t knock you for trying to see the silver lining. It’s admirable and I don’t disagree that Sean is a good coach. He is. Undoubtably. I just feel they should have seen what this year gives the franchise before another extension. 
 

Shottenheimer. Chuck Knox. John Fox. Dennis Green. Norv Turner just to name a few who were great HCs that never got it done. 

Does it matter with the extensions? Not really. There’s plenty of turnover at the drop of a hat but I fear for our team that he turns into Chuck Knox and falls short of getting to the doorstep. 
 

A win is a win in the playoffs, yes. One and only one of his 4 P/O wins were convincing when Buffalo were clearly the superior talent. This team has had blunders and no shows. Something, at least to my experience, comes from coaching when it is a repeat occurrence. 

 

Edited June 24, 2023 by BBFL

[muppy]

I am not sure why Terry Pegula decided to extend McBeane now. I doubt they would be wanting to go anywhere. But noone has mentioned that there would be that possibility if a team came a knocking if they weren't extended at the end?

 

some nippy errr chippiness reading up in here y'all. I know we love the Bills sooo Serious. It's a done deal. Count me Happy! I threw in nippy to get a grin out of you alpha males lmao

 

In summary noone will convince me otherwise that this upcoming season is not THE YEAR we win the Lombardi

 

Prove me wrong.

 

**snicker snicker** see what I did there?

 

GO BILLS!~!~!!!

 

 

 

 

[TampaBillsJunkie]

10 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I don't think anyone disputes the recent success of the Bills. Indeed Its way more fun watching Bills games. That's a given. 

 

The real question is can the Bills progress in the playoffs, make a SB appearence, and win a SB. 

 

It's a realistic goal because they have Allen. 

 

No one knows the future. I'd ask will you feel disappointed if 10 years from now the Bills haven't appeared in a SB? Assuming Allen was relatively healthy and still the Bills QB. 

 

I know I will be disappointed regardless of their regular season record. 

 

I'm disappointed every year we don't win a Super Bowl.  It's heart-breaking. The four falls is still on my mind. But it's sure a lot easier watching this version of Buffalo football compared to the Rex, Marrone, Jauron eras.  We've really only had 3 coaches who brought consistent success to Buffalo (Phillips, Levy and McD.)  It's nice to have that now. 

 

[NewEra]

37 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Really solid data backing up your viewpoint. 

 

I happen to agree with you. 

 

Also, I would like to add some unscientific data to the equation. Just do an eyeball test and ask yourself why do you think McD is the man? Just look at his playoff history. The Texans loss. The Jags loss. The 13 second heart ripping disaster. The Cinci embarrassment.

 

 

 

 

I thought you didn’t like beating the dead horse?