Big Turk Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, 1onemangang7 said: Yep. Coward. Jelly fish. Grow a backbone, call people racist then hide, you'll be safe . I don't have to hide, the world already knows what you are based on you what you post and assuredly by the way you act in real life. 1 Quote
NewEra Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Link? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm 4 Quote
newcam2012 Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: just consider the risk in what you guys are saying. We have a combo that has turned this franchise around and now has us in contention every year. Free agents want to come here, and we are re-signing our own guys. Not only that, they have already spawned their own successful GM and coaching tree. And instead you would prefer to roll the dice to get probably some unknown commodities at GM and HC, and head back onto the carousel of doom we experienced for like 25 years. people’s expectations are so skewed. All you can do is build a team into one that can make the playoffs and be in contention to win. When you get there, it is a total crap shoot and all about matchups, player execution, and good health as to which teams ultimately win the SB. "When you get there, it is a total crap shoot and all about matchups, player execution, and good health as to which teams ultimately win the SB." Partly true but definelty doesn't tell the whole story. Coaching, play calling, schemes, game time adjustments, etc.. all factor in as well. I'd ask you to take a hard look at the McD playoff games track record for his tenure as a Bill's HC. Edited June 23, 2023 by newcam2012 Quote
Billsflyer12 Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Radar said: I've been around since the AFL days. Drought actually makes me enjoy this team more. Those Super Bowl losses were tough but I still got to watch a great team. I like football for the game . I would rather have consistent winner year to year than just one year run to the championship. Point is is the championship all we want. Of course we want a ring but all is not lost if we don't get it either. Would you rather have the Bills get to playoffs 5 straight years and win 1 Super Bowl or get to playoffs 10 straight years and win 0 Super Bowls? 1 Quote
Don Otreply Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Gregg said: Even the media speculated McDermott could be on the hot seat if the Bills suffered another playoff disappointment. It's understandable the fans would feel the same way. But the only opinion that count's is Terry's and he sees it differently. The football show talking heads rarely know what is going on with teams, unless it’s an after the fact type of thing, the are all a bunch of “breaking news wagon jumpers” sadly most sports fans fall for their schtick over and over… 1 Quote
ytownblofan Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 I am confused about where the notion that Beane is riding his pick of JA17 and that otherwise he is not a good drafter started. I compiled all of his draft picks between 2018 and 2021 and I see very few flat out misses. 2018 Josh Allen Tremaine Edmunds – 74 career games played (74 started). 2 Pro Bowls. Signed a massive deal with the Bears in FA Harrison Phillips – 62 career games played, 45 in Buffalo (28 started). Signed with Vikings in FA Taron Johnson – 71 career games played (50 started). Considered one of the top nickel CB in the game Siran Neal – 80 career games played (1 started). Special teams ace Wyatt Teller – 66 career games played, 8 in Buffalo (59 started). 2 Pro Bowls Ray-Ray McCloud – 65 career games played, 10 in Buffalo (10 started) – 2020 2nd team all pro KR Austin Proehl – Cut and never played a down in the league 2019 Ed Oliver – 62 career games played (53 started). 2019 All Rookie Team. Signed an Extension with the Bills Cody Ford – 49 career games played, 38 in Buffalo (32 started). Traded to Cardinals, currently with the Bengals. Devin Singletary – 61 career games played (56 started). Signed with Texans in FA Dawson Knox – 57 career games played (47 started). 1 Pro Bowl. Signed an extension with the Bills Vosean Joseph – Never played a snap in the league Jaquan Johnson – 60 career games played (4 started). Primarily ST. Signed with the Raiders in FA Darryl Johnson – 38 career games played, 31 in Buffalo (1 started). Traded to panthers, currently with the 49ers Tommy Sweeney – 24 career games played (4 started). Signed with Giants in FA 2020 AJ Epenesa – 43 career games played (3 started) Zack Moss – 39 career games played, 31 in Buffalo (3 started). Traded to the Colts Gabe Davis – 47 career games played (30 started) Jake Fromm – 3 career games (2 started) Never played a snap for the Bills, currently with the Commanders Tyler Bass – 49 career games played. Signed an extension with the Bills Isaiah Hodgins – 11 career games, 1 with Buffalo (5 started). Released by Bills and signed by the Giants Dane Jackson – 37 career games played (22 started). Signed a 1 year deal with the Bills 2021 Greg Rousseau – 30 career games played (30 started) Boogie Basham – 23 career games played (0 started) Spencer Brown – 27 career games played (24 started) Tommy Doyle – 12 career games played (0 Started) Marquez Stevenson – 5 career games played (0 started). Currently with the Panthers Damar Hamlin – 29 career games played (13 started) Rachad Wildgoose – 20 career games played (3 started) Never played with the Bills Jack Anderson – 14 career games played (3 started) Never played with the Bills Is he drafting superstars with every pick? Of course not. Does he draft guys that have sustainable careers in the NFL? Yes, with darn near every pick. Out of 31 picks between 2019 and 2021, only 2 are not currently in the league and 14 no longer play for the Bills, but are still in the league. Do I wish he would have hit on a few more big-time players? Of course, I do. But he has consistently added quality depth through the draft. The notion that he cannot draft or has a terrible draft record outside of JA17 is just flat-out wrong. 2 Quote
JoPoy88 Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: You have no idea if a new staff would experience regression. This is a common assumption and thinking error. A new staff might propel the team to a SB win. correct, but how much value is there theorizing on the hypothetical results of an unnamed, hypothetical new staff? Quote
HomeskillitMoorman Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 25 minutes ago, SCBills said: The slightest pushback and this is your response.. I could counter and debunk quite a few things you said here, but it will all be deleted soon, as it likely should. Examples have been provided ad nauseum on the OT board. This is why people like YOU are responsible for LGBTQ acceptance dropping in this country. “Everyone who disagrees with what Pride has become in the slightest is homophobic” Not me. Love and let live.. I have no issues with anyone being who they want to be at an adult age. I grew up marching in Pride for my uncle who was cared for by his husband on his death bed for two years as he fought cancer. You have to grow thicker skin and/or learn a new pushback. The point remains. If McDermott was gay, it would be highlighted. Saleh being Muslim was highlighted. So why the issue from the person I responded to for McDermott being highlighted for beliefs core to his being? This right here is your grift. I didn’t bring up LGBTQ, neither did the person you responded to. YOU did! And then you’re acting like people “like me” are somehow imposing this on you when you have a serious obsession with this topic. You’re not being “forced” to celebrate anything. I don’t have an issue with anything being highlighted for anyone if that’s what’s important to them. I don’t bring up the very worst of Christians and Christianity to demonize McD or Pegula for being proud of being Christians. We literally have Federal holidays and public celebrations for these religions, why aren’t you whining about that? You think those institutions are perfect? People knock on my door and sing Christian songs at me during Christmas. I have every right to shut the door in their face if I don’t want to hear it. I don’t even though I have many issues with their religion and beliefs, but I don’t see that as me being forced to celebrate it. You and many others have made yourselves out to be such victims over this. I’m defending Sean here even though I can’t stand him as a coach and I don’t like his religion. That’s what a consistent stance is all about. 1 Quote
Don Otreply Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Draconator said: Are you the love child between Einstein and Airseven? “IT LIVES…, 1 Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 36 minutes ago, ngbills said: And they put up with his bs AND brought him back even though he was toast So they put up with it and let him go? I mean, the first time Beane and McDermott were extended was when Beasley was on the team lol. Is that a sign too? Quote
K-9 Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: You have no idea if a new staff would experience regression. This is a common assumption and thinking error. A new staff might propel the team to a SB win. I have every idea that a new staff would experience regression. Unless, of course, you can cite an historical reference to a new coaching staff immediately improving upon a 13-3 record from the previous season and winning a SB. I suspect you’d be hard pressed to do so as coaches coming off a 13-3 record the previous season and .650 winning percentage over the last five are rarely, if ever, fired in the first place. That said, Pegula can still choose to fire McD anytime over the next five years, regardless. Quote
TBBills Fan Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 39 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: Probably pretty close to the truth. The deals for both of them have been done. Yeah they decided to announce them now, probably because it’s June and nothing else is going on. Thank you, does this mean I won the free hat contest? 1 Quote
JoPoy88 Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, ytownblofan said: I am confused about where the notion that Beane is riding his pick of JA17 and that otherwise he is not a good drafter started. I compiled all of his draft picks between 2018 and 2021 and I see very few flat out misses. 2018 Josh Allen Tremaine Edmunds – 74 career games played (74 started). 2 Pro Bowls. Signed a massive deal with the Bears in FA Harrison Phillips – 62 career games played, 45 in Buffalo (28 started). Signed with Vikings in FA Taron Johnson – 71 career games played (50 started). Considered one of the top nickel CB in the game Siran Neal – 80 career games played (1 started). Special teams ace Wyatt Teller – 66 career games played, 8 in Buffalo (59 started). 2 Pro Bowls Ray-Ray McCloud – 65 career games played, 10 in Buffalo (10 started) – 2020 2nd team all pro KR Austin Proehl – Cut and never played a down in the league 2019 Ed Oliver – 62 career games played (53 started). 2019 All Rookie Team. Signed an Extension with the Bills Cody Ford – 49 career games played, 38 in Buffalo (32 started). Traded to Cardinals, currently with the Bengals. Devin Singletary – 61 career games played (56 started). Signed with Texans in FA Dawson Knox – 57 career games played (47 started). 1 Pro Bowl. Signed an extension with the Bills Vosean Joseph – Never played a snap in the league Jaquan Johnson – 60 career games played (4 started). Primarily ST. Signed with the Raiders in FA Darryl Johnson – 38 career games played, 31 in Buffalo (1 started). Traded to panthers, currently with the 49ers Tommy Sweeney – 24 career games played (4 started). Signed with Giants in FA 2020 AJ Epenesa – 43 career games played (3 started) Zack Moss – 39 career games played, 31 in Buffalo (3 started). Traded to the Colts Gabe Davis – 47 career games played (30 started) Jake Fromm – 3 career games (2 started) Never played a snap for the Bills, currently with the Commanders Tyler Bass – 49 career games played. Signed an extension with the Bills Isaiah Hodgins – 11 career games, 1 with Buffalo (5 started). Released by Bills and signed by the Giants Dane Jackson – 37 career games played (22 started). Signed a 1 year deal with the Bills 2021 Greg Rousseau – 30 career games played (30 started) Boogie Basham – 23 career games played (0 started) Spencer Brown – 27 career games played (24 started) Tommy Doyle – 12 career games played (0 Started) Marquez Stevenson – 5 career games played (0 started). Currently with the Panthers Damar Hamlin – 29 career games played (13 started) Rachad Wildgoose – 20 career games played (3 started) Never played with the Bills Jack Anderson – 14 career games played (3 started) Never played with the Bills Is he drafting superstars with every pick? Of course not. Does he draft guys that have sustainable careers in the NFL? Yes, with darn near every pick. Out of 31 picks between 2019 and 2021, only 2 are not currently in the league and 14 no longer play for the Bills, but are still in the league. Do I wish he would have hit on a few more big-time players? Of course, I do. But he has consistently added quality depth through the draft. The notion that he cannot draft or has a terrible draft record outside of JA17 is just flat-out wrong. Agreed. He’s made several good picks, not just Josh Allen. I suppose an argument can be made that the most recent drafts have yielded diminishing returns, but overall I think Beane’s done a great job. Quote
newcam2012 Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: correct, but how much value is there theorizing on the hypothetical results of an unnamed, hypothetical new staff? With respect, I think your mindset is flawed. " unnamed, hypothetical new staff." So many incorrect assumptions here. You act like the ownership is going to play pin the tail on the donkey and choose their coaching staff. There are several solid options available. Quote
Don Otreply Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Airseven said: Emulate? The point is that these extensions are gestures not commitments as previously exemplified around the league. McDermott and Beane don’t have a multi-year free pass if the team continues to sputter. So you’re saying it’s Kinda like how the Mods here think about you…, 2 Quote
julian Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 1 hour ago, PBF81 said: LOL, thanks for the injection of humor at the end there. It's very much appreciated and not lost on me. Here's the point though, Allen can't play like he has forever, it's unlikely that he'll be playing that way for more than 4 or 5 more seasons, assuming he doesn't get injured, elbow or worse, so it's important to take full advantage of that, which we're simply not doing. Here's a hypothetical scenario. Suppose we continue, post good to great regular seasons, continue to underperform/underachieve in the playoffs, and in three seasons Allen suffers an injury that disallows him from being anything close to what he was, whatever that injury may be. Suppose by that time all we've done is "gone to the playoffs" those three more seasons, gone 1-2 in the Wild-Card around, and lost in unceremonious fashion in the Divisional Rounds, which at the present time is the standard. What would be the talk amongst Bills Mafia do you think? Yeah completely valid points. 1 Quote
newcam2012 Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, K-9 said: I have every idea that a new staff would experience regression. Unless, of course, you can cite an historical reference to a new coaching staff immediately improving upon a 13-3 record from the previous season and winning a SB. I suspect you’d be hard pressed to do so as coaches coming off a 13-3 record the previous season and .650 winning percentage over the last five are rarely, if ever, fired in the first place. That said, Pegula can still choose to fire McD anytime over the next five years, regardless. I'm not gonna beat a dead horse here. Been there done that with respect. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, ytownblofan said: I am confused about where the notion that Beane is riding his pick of JA17 and that otherwise he is not a good drafter started. I compiled all of his draft picks between 2018 and 2021 and I see very few flat out misses. 2018 Josh Allen Tremaine Edmunds – 74 career games played (74 started). 2 Pro Bowls. Signed a massive deal with the Bears in FA Harrison Phillips – 62 career games played, 45 in Buffalo (28 started). Signed with Vikings in FA Taron Johnson – 71 career games played (50 started). Considered one of the top nickel CB in the game Siran Neal – 80 career games played (1 started). Special teams ace Wyatt Teller – 66 career games played, 8 in Buffalo (59 started). 2 Pro Bowls Ray-Ray McCloud – 65 career games played, 10 in Buffalo (10 started) – 2020 2nd team all pro KR Austin Proehl – Cut and never played a down in the league 2019 Ed Oliver – 62 career games played (53 started). 2019 All Rookie Team. Signed an Extension with the Bills Cody Ford – 49 career games played, 38 in Buffalo (32 started). Traded to Cardinals, currently with the Bengals. Devin Singletary – 61 career games played (56 started). Signed with Texans in FA Dawson Knox – 57 career games played (47 started). 1 Pro Bowl. Signed an extension with the Bills Vosean Joseph – Never played a snap in the league Jaquan Johnson – 60 career games played (4 started). Primarily ST. Signed with the Raiders in FA Darryl Johnson – 38 career games played, 31 in Buffalo (1 started). Traded to panthers, currently with the 49ers Tommy Sweeney – 24 career games played (4 started). Signed with Giants in FA 2020 AJ Epenesa – 43 career games played (3 started) Zack Moss – 39 career games played, 31 in Buffalo (3 started). Traded to the Colts Gabe Davis – 47 career games played (30 started) Jake Fromm – 3 career games (2 started) Never played a snap for the Bills, currently with the Commanders Tyler Bass – 49 career games played. Signed an extension with the Bills Isaiah Hodgins – 11 career games, 1 with Buffalo (5 started). Released by Bills and signed by the Giants Dane Jackson – 37 career games played (22 started). Signed a 1 year deal with the Bills 2021 Greg Rousseau – 30 career games played (30 started) Boogie Basham – 23 career games played (0 started) Spencer Brown – 27 career games played (24 started) Tommy Doyle – 12 career games played (0 Started) Marquez Stevenson – 5 career games played (0 started). Currently with the Panthers Damar Hamlin – 29 career games played (13 started) Rachad Wildgoose – 20 career games played (3 started) Never played with the Bills Jack Anderson – 14 career games played (3 started) Never played with the Bills Is he drafting superstars with every pick? Of course not. Does he draft guys that have sustainable careers in the NFL? Yes, with darn near every pick. Out of 31 picks between 2019 and 2021, only 2 are not currently in the league and 14 no longer play for the Bills, but are still in the league. Do I wish he would have hit on a few more big-time players? Of course, I do. But he has consistently added quality depth through the draft. The notion that he cannot draft or has a terrible draft record outside of JA17 is just flat-out wrong. His first few drafts started solid and then it may have tapered in 20 and 21 epensesa while not a total bust hasn’t lived up..moss was jag… Fromm sucks…Hodgins did nothing here 21- boogie hasn’t done much…brown has potential but done not much … Doyle non existent… Stevenson nope, wildegoose nope He does seem to find solid defensive backs late Edited June 23, 2023 by Buffalo716 Quote
1onemangang7 Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 25 minutes ago, Big Turk said: I don't have to hide, the world already knows what you are based on you what you post and assuredly by the way you act in real life. Right. An equal opportunity, call it like I see it football forum analyst Quote
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