McDermott & Beane Extended Through 2027

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

 

The "word-of-the-day" appears to be stability.  

 

Stability is one thing, ultimate competitiveness entirely another.  

 

It's quite possible to have stability without being ultimately competitive.  

 

But given what you said, what are your expectation(s) for the team this year?  

 

Our playoff history isn't great here.  

 

 

 

Playoff history...  

 

We had zero playoff appearances or wins in the 17 years prior to McD.  We've had 9 appearances and 4 wins since he's been here.  It seems we're on an upward trajectory.  

[gobills404]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

🤯

Oh well, I like the idea of keeping Beane but McD just doesn't have the chops to win us a close playoff game.  Enjoy McShottenheimer if that's your thing?

Yes, rooting for the Bills has become much more enjoyable since McD took over and it will continue to be that way for many years to come. Sorry you can’t relate.

Edited June 23, 2023 by gobills404

[Dukestreetking]

1 hour ago, The Wiz said:

It's actually broken.  He stated that a while ago. @MikePJ76 when's the new laptop getting setup?

 I thought we were starting a GoFundMe for our good man? (I always think of him as 00Mike for some reason).

[HomeskillitMoorman]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

I don’t know, maybe, we’re in the middle of a month where we’re forced to celebrate the sexual identity of certain groups. 

 

If McDermott were a member of the LGBTQ community, I guarantee that would be highlighted. 
 

Come to think of it, exposes’ of public figures do often reference their spiritual beliefs .. in this country it’s typically Christian/Catholic or Jewish. 
 

I wouldn’t have an issue with the Jets extending Saleh and, as part of their description, saying “Proud, Muslim..”.  It’s a big part of who he is.  We were told about that quite frequently when he was hired. 
 

 

 

You should really keep your constant homophobic crying and whining and victimhood about LGBTQ and Pride in the Politics section. Nobody's forcing you to be gay or celebrate anything. 

 

I have a LOT of issues with Christianity and the Church and how a lot of that community operates...but I have no problem with Pegula or McD himself celebrating themselves being Christian. That's their right, just like it is someone who is gay and wants to celebrate the freedom to do so and have simple things like marriage available to them that they didn't for the longest time.

 

I'm not being forced to be Christian or celebrate Christianity just because they are, just like you aren't being forced to be gay or celebrate gayness. I have the option to not read or seek more information out about Sean's Christian beliefs, you have the option to do the same about anyone else. 

 

If McDermott is happier because of his Christianity or Saleh is because of his Muslim-(ness?) and if they want to talk about it and create prayer circles before and after games in front of everyone, I don't think it matters what I think of any of it, rock on. Same if someone wants to wear a Pride patch. It could literally be this simple if everyone was willing to do that. 

 

 

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, 1onemangang7 said:

I didn't think they were on the ho seat. I also wouldn't extend them, not yet anyway. Most of these guys been watching football since birth. How long have you been in country?

 

Excuse me? Leave your f***ing racist remarks somewhere else you giant sack of horse manure.

 

I was born in Buffalo and lived here most of my 45+ years. My father is from Turkey. And yes, he did it the right way, with a green card and is now a naturalized citizen if you need to know before you start trying to hunt him down for being an illegal and call ICE, I thought I'd save you the trouble.

 

 

Edited June 23, 2023 by Big Turk

[jamiezzz]

As of now, I don't love the idea, nor do I hate it.  As far as I know, they had 2 years left on their previous extension.  Why not let this year play out first?  

[hondo in seattle]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

See this mentality I don’t get…. Because the Bills were a ***** disaster for twenty years running, McBeane are now untouchable??… they’ve done a very good job, but for ***** sake they’ve won nothing…. how bout we raise the bar a little? 

 

Milestones...   For nearly two decades, we couldn't win many games, couldn't get into the playoffs as a WC, couldn't win the AFCE.   Now we do all those things.  Beane and McD are raising the bar.  They still need to raise it a bit higher. 

 

Terry is going to let them finish the job they've capably started.  

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said:

I’m good with this. The Bills have been one of the best teams in the NFL for the majority of McBeane’s tenure.

 

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-total-nfl-wins-last-5-years

 

4th in the NFL in total wins from 2018-present. You don’t just throw that away.

Be as good as you can for as long as you can…

 

We’ve been attracting good NFL free agents wanting to chase Super Bowls for a reason.

 

No GM, no HC, entirely controls a season.  No GM or HC guarantees a team a Lombardi.  What you want is a guy who tilts the odds in your favor.  McD and Beane both do that.  By building a good team each year, they give us a legit chance for a trophy.  If they stay around long enough, the gridiron dice will eventually favor us.  

[julian]

16 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

I'm getting ready to do an analysis on Polian/McD/Kelly contrasted with Beane/McD/Allen.  Just looking at the data, both now thru 7 years, except for Beane who has only 6, is telling. 

 

 

Very interesting,

 

I’m all for making a change if there’s a clear upgrade available, but I’m not for making the change for the sake of change unless this goes dramatically south.

 

 I’m more of the mindset that if you continue to have a top 5 scoring offense and an elite QB year after year that at some point things will break your way and you’ll get that title. 
 

 I’m in no way interested in watching Allen’s career being ######ed due to inept coaching, at some point the change needs to happen if they can’t get there.

[Royale with Cheese]

15 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Excuse me? Leave your f***ing racist remarks somewhere else you giant sack of horse manure.

 

I was born in Buffalo and lived here most of my 45+ years. My father is from Turkey. And yes, he did it the right way, with a green card and is now a naturalized citizen if you need to know before you start trying to hunt him down for being an illegal and call ICE, I thought I'd save you the trouble.

 

 

 

My mom did it the right way too.  People do not realize how hard it is for foreigners to get their citizenship.  

[PBF81]

13 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

Playoff history...  

 

We had zero playoff appearances or wins in the 17 years prior to McD.  We've had 9 appearances and 4 wins since he's been here.  It seems we're on an upward trajectory.  

 

Yes, in 7 seasons.  Three wild-card wins, once over a Skylar Thompson led Fins, which we barely won, once over a pretty bad NE team led by a rookie QB that seems to be destined for career back-up status, once more in a wild-card game whereby we were outplayed yet won a down-to-the-wire squeaker, and one divisional game whereby the offense played its worst game of the season.  

 

0-4 on the road, 1-2 in divisional games with that last aforementioned game as the win, and 0-1 due to a historically noted horrific error in judgement by the one you're defending.  On top of all that, a trend towards the worse, and doing less with more.  

 

It would seem that this has become the standard for Bills football these days.  

 

The drought era damaged our fanbase's expectations for what good football really is in a very serious way.  

 

 

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

 

No one is questioning our prowess in the regular season, no one.  

 

 

 

Regular season prowess buys you a ticket into the playoffs.  It's important.  We haven't had a coach for a long time who could do that.  McD does it regularly.  

 

Football in the playoffs is played with the same rules with the same players.  It's not some special animal.  The only difference is that the 'schedule' gets tough.  All the teams are good.  Each game is, more-or-less, a 50-50 proposition. 

 

But the Bills - under McD - can beat anybody.  They just need to string enough victories together in the playoffs to walk away with a championship.  They haven't done that - yet.  But give them enough shots at it and they will.  

[PBF81]

3 minutes ago, julian said:

Very interesting,

 

I’m all for making a change if there’s a clear upgrade available, but I’m not for making the change for the sake of change unless this goes dramatically south.

 

 I’m more of the mindset that if you continue to have a top 5 scoring offense and an elite QB year after year that at some point things will break your way and you’ll get that title. 
 

 I’m in no way interested in watching Allen’s career being ######ed due to inept coaching, at some point the change needs to happen if they can’t get there.

 

That's all fine and dandy, but the question that I keep asking the most ardent McD (and Beane) defenders in the forum here, yet which to date has yet to be answered, is how many years should that "some point ..." take to occur?  
 

Also, in your post there seems to be an underlying premise that with better coaching that would happen, or already have happened (AHEM, "13 Seconds" in 2021), but that our hope lies in pure happenstance.  

 

Just sayin'  

 

 

[Big Turk]

29 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

I'm getting ready to do an analysis on Polian/McD/Kelly contrasted with Beane/McD/Allen.  Just looking at the data, both now thru 7 years, except for Beane who has only 6, is telling. 

 

 

 

Don't bother. You are forgetting that free agency didn't even exist for part of his tenure and there was the very mild "Plan B" Free Agency from 1989-1992, after which full free agency started.

 

Think it would be quite a bit easier back then considering there was nobody bidding against them for players they drafted.

 

The Bills last Super Bowl appearance coincided with the start of full free agency in 1993.

 

 

Edited June 23, 2023 by Big Turk

[ngbills]

Question for the look how much better we are than before McBeane argument:

 

When do you make a change? Only if they start losing? Say the team can go 10 straight years winning 12-13 games but never makes a super bowl appearance? I don't think you fire anyone for what they have done thus far, but it is also not a lifelong pass. Coaches rarely can replace talent, but coaches can limit the potential of talent. Thus far McD has met expectations with having a talent like Allen and the rest of the team. If he loses with Allen then clearly he has failed. But when is not winning enough the issue? When do you need a coach that can elevate the talent? 

[LABILLBACKER]

19 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

Yes, rooting for the Bills has become much more enjoyable since McD took over and it will continue to be that way for many years to come. Sorry you can’t relate.

Like I've said a million times. Because McD got us out of the drought,  all most fans expect from him is winning the "regular season" title and entertainment.  The playoffs or any aspirations for a championship are completely unnecessary. 

[Gugny]

Why is it such a crime to acknowledge how well Beane and McDermott have done, while also opining that it’s not good enough?

[HomeskillitMoorman]

1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:

The Bills better win the SB soon or the McDermott holy wars will be in full force.....starting to get BBMB during the drought vibes.

 

If nothing else it'll be fun times. It's only going to get more intense if we have another disastrous McDermott Meltdown. 

[julian]

5 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

That's all fine and dandy, but the question that I keep asking the most ardent McD (and Beane) defenders in the forum here, yet which to date has yet to be answered, is how many years should that "some point ..." take to occur?  
 

Also, in your post there seems to be an underlying premise that with better coaching that would happen, or already have happened (AHEM, "13 Seconds" in 2021), but that our hope lies in pure happenstance.  

 

Just sayin'  

 

 

Of course there are no guarantees, but continuing to fail without change doesn’t sound logical even if you believe they’re good enough to win it sooner or later.

 

For me personally, if they haven’t won a title when it’s time to extend Allen on another monster deal, then it’s time to go in a different direction.

 

 I reserve the right to be totally incorrect in my assumptions and opinions because I don’t know *****!!

Edited June 23, 2023 by julian

[HomeskillitMoorman]

34 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Why is it such a crime to acknowledge how well Beane and McDermott have done, while also opining that it’s not good enough?

 

It's not. It's also met so many times with "well do you want to go back to the drought years???" As if these are the only two options. 

59 minutes ago, K-9 said:

This is what having the 3rd best record over the last five seasons deserves. I don’t understand how anyone can’t understand that. 

 

With a decline in playoff success the last two years while the coach on his side of the ball has been given an elite level of resources and has failed us tremendously every single year in the playoffs. 

 

I understand what you're saying but I do think it's more complicated than that. There is an expectation of going all the way when you have an elite QB. 

Edited June 23, 2023 by HomeskillitMoorman