Report: Bills allegedly privately open to trading Diggs "under the right circumstances"

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Mahomes working out with some of the receivers in the draft is, IMO, almost Belicheck-like  skirting of the regulations about team visits and work outs.  It's entirely possible Allen was still resting and rehabbing his elbow at that point pre-draft.  It's also entirely possible that isn't something the Bills would like him to do.

 

Whether or not something is reported, depends upon who is involved and whether or not the players want it reported.  In the past, players have talked in pre-season about going out to throw with Josh, and it was never reported until they said something.  When Diggs helped get Josh and the receivers together in 2020 when OTAs were cancelled, it was reported because the players wanted it to be.  They invited Buffalo photographer Joe Croom (and I think a videographer), and he posted photos and some videos of the workouts. 

 

But if they didn't do that, who would know?  There are a lot of quality football fields in the country.  The sports media isn't staking out every one.  They aren't even staking out all of the ones near locations where Allen is known to be staying.

 

 

I don’t think it’s the first time that he has done this in the offseason. Maybe since it’s his personal camp and not the team’s there aren’t any issues. Whatever the case I think it’s a great idea. More qb’s should do this. But I don’t think too many qb’s in the league can pull it off. Having the initiative and able to get teammates to participate. Just shows how much his teammates respect him as a leader.

 

Yeah you’re right there are a lot of fields in America. But in this day and age of social media I’d doubt any team can do it discreetly without somebody posting it on Twitter. NFL athletes working out are hard to miss.

[first_and_ten]

On 7/1/2023 at 5:38 AM, Aimee75 said:

No I have not been a fan for two years. I have been an avid Bills fan since 1988. 

 

No knowledgeable person thought Josh would win MVP? You serious? He came in 2nd in 2020, and quite frankly I think he should have gotten it that year. He was very much in the race last season, till his elbow injury. 

 

I don't understand fans of this team, who claim to be lifelong, bitching so much about a QB who has pretty much brought this organization back to life, especially after a 17 year drought. It's freaking strange to me. This team is not stacked like the 90's Super Bowl teams were. We got Allen, and we got Diggs. That is it. There are no Kent Hulls on this team, or Howard Ballards, no James Lofton type, no Thurman Thomas type RB's, certainly no Bruce Smiths. I don't get the comments about Allen over on this forum, and it's something I have noticed since the season ended.

 

I never said you "hated" Allen. I don't know you enough to know that. I just don't think his offseason has any bearing on how he will play. If he wants to golf and go on dates with Hailee Steinfeld, I don't think that is remotely an issue. He shows up at OTA's and all that, and aside from that, we literally have no idea what is happening behind the scenes as far as what he is doing in the off season. Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it's not happening. 

 

 

 

I wasn't talking about 2020. In 2022, he had no realistic shot at the MVP, unless you want to include predictions made before the season started. Yes, then some said he would win it. I'm basing my statements on the fact that he turned the ball over way too much to have a shot. 

 

I can never understand people who watch the Bills through rose colored glasses, like you. Guess what, a person can be an avid Bills fan and still be able to have a realistic view of their performances. Again, you cannot seem to get the fact that I was not "bitching" about him. I merely pointed out that I noticed some things that might cause him a distraction  going forward. Re-read my posts.

 

To say "We got Allen and we got Diggs. That's it" is laughable. This team has loads of talented players. No team can be compared to a time when there was no salary cap. Honestly, to say that makes me question your football knowledge. I'm sorry, but seriously? The comments on this forum have nothing to do with what I said. Please don't conflate my comments with that of others. 

 

 

 

I'm glad you know that I do not hate Josh Allen. I'm a big fan of his. To be honest you seem to have a "he can do no wrong" attitude about him. Also, any player's offseason has a bearing on their play. How hard a player prepares, works on his weaknesses, etc. impacts his season. I do agree that we have no idea what might be happening in his preparation for the upcoming season, but I can comment on what I have seen. Like I have stated, I hope he has a great season. I merely said that what Diggs did might actually help them in the long haul. I remember when some of the Bills had to straighten out Jim Kelly. go Bills!!!!

 

Edited July 3, 2023 by first_and_ten

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

And yet the other Utah TE had a really nice game…so they must have needed something 

So Dawson Knox might go off this season? Yes!!!

[first_and_ten]

On 7/1/2023 at 9:22 AM, Fan in Chicago said:

I am curious why you are questioning his commitment. I do realize that last season he was practicing with Palmer but does not doing so this offseason lead you to that conclusion? 

I for one dont have all the information about what he does every off-season and cannot judge him. But I also think that the offseason is a time to recuperate mind and body for the grueling season. The last one was particularly so for Allen given the low level of talent around him. I do want him to take time off to not think about the game, relax , get things in perspective, keep his body fit and come to TC fully recharged. 

You will realize I am not trying to be an a$$ and truly want to know the background to your assessment. 

 

I stated why I felt this way in my post. Go back and read it.  I do not question his will to win. I think he has distractions this off season that he did not have in the past. What's wrong with pointing them out? But again, my point was to say that maybe the Diggs drama will help this team in the long haul. I hope this is the case. He could prove me wrong and cause all kinds of drama too. I was not judging Allen. He is their only hope for a Super Bowl. I just HOPE he's as committed as he was after his rookie season. I hope I've been clear. 

[90sBills]

2 minutes ago, first_and_ten said:

 

I just HOPE he's as committed as he was after his rookie season. I hope I've been clear. 

He did say he’s extra focused on football now. So there’s that. 

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

There are 162 baseball games per season…and only 12 college football games per season. How Kincaid performed in the biggest game of the year is a data-point worth considering, don’t you think?

And we were also told Kincaid never drops the ball, but here he was with a drop as bad as any in Gabe Davis’s or Dawson Knox’s careers…

 

You should definitely be the GM.  Beane probably never watches football or pays attention to detail like you.

[first_and_ten]

On 7/1/2023 at 11:14 AM, CincyBillsFan said:

So you've been a "Bills fan for over 40 years"?  A couple of comments on this:

 

*  As a Bills fan I never considered that I "suffered" through the 4 SB losses.  I was frustrated and pissed off, but "suffered" - no that would not be a word I would use for the excitement of going to FOUR straight Super Bowl games, winning FOUR straight AFC championship games and watching a team with all sorts of future HOFers enjoy a decade of elite play.

 

*  Prescott was 2nd in TO's playing what 5 fewer games? That's why he was roasted.  And for the record, Dallas didn't go 13 - 3, win their division or advance to the divisional round of the playoffs.  And Prescott had a better O line and more top notch offensive play makers then Allen had.

 

*  By what criteria & evidence are you basing your claim that Allen isn't fully committed?  The off-season is designed in part for these players to unwind, get healthy and clear their heads.  No QB in the last 5 years has been more successful then Mahomes and what does he do in the off season?  Make a lot of commercials from what I can tell.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You use "frustrated" and "pissed off". I say "suffered". Seriously? LOL. Because I used the word "suffered" instead of the words you used, I'm not a Bills fan? I enjoyed the ride back then, but like many Bills fans, we suffered through 4 Super Bowl losses. What if I said you're not a fan because you got "pissed off" over the 4 losses? LOL. You gotta do better than that.

 

So you're ok with going 13-3 and getting blown out at home in the divisional round?  Good for you, but I'm not. I don't care about Prescott and his team. I would never try to say that Prescott is better than Allen. If that's what you're assuming, you're dead wrong. Geesh!!!

 

I did not say that Allen wasn't fully committed!!! Re-read my posts and then come back when you're more prepared for this conversation.

 

 

 

11 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

He did say he’s extra focused on football now. So there’s that. 

 

He did, and I hope it's true. But doesn't everyone say that?

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, mannc said:

There are 162 baseball games per season…and only 12 college football games per season. How Kincaid performed in the biggest game of the year is a data-point worth considering, don’t you think?

And we were also told Kincaid never drops the ball, but here he was with a drop as bad as any in Gabe Davis’s or Dawson Knox’s careers…

And yet the other Utah TE had a really nice game…so they must have needed something 

They didn’t need Kincaid. Obv.  Maybe it’s because he’s not very good.  Maybe it also had to due with his injury 

Edited July 3, 2023 by NewEra

[ALG1130]

8 hours ago, first_and_ten said:

 

 

I wasn't talking about 2020. In 2022, he had no realistic shot at the MVP, unless you want to include predictions made before the season started. Yes, then some said he would win it. I'm basing my statements on the fact that he turned the ball over way too much to have a shot. 

 

I can never understand people who watch the Bills through rose colored glasses, like you. Guess what, a person can be an avid Bills fan and still be able to have a realistic view of their performances. Again, you cannot seem to get the fact that I was not "bitching" about him. I merely pointed out that I noticed some things that might cause him a distraction  going forward. Re-read my posts.

 

To say "We got Allen and we got Diggs. That's it" is laughable. This team has loads of talented players. No team can be compared to a time when there was no salary cap. Honestly, to say that makes me question your football knowledge. I'm sorry, but seriously? The comments on this forum have nothing to do with what I said. Please don't conflate my comments with that of others. 

 

 

 

I'm glad you know that I do not hate Josh Allen. I'm a big fan of his. To be honest you seem to have a "he can do no wrong" attitude about him. Also, any player's offseason has a bearing on their play. How hard a player prepares, works on his weaknesses, etc. impacts his season. I do agree that we have no idea what might be happening in his preparation for the upcoming season, but I can comment on what I have seen. Like I have stated, I hope he has a great season. I merely said that what Diggs did might actually help them in the long haul. I remember when some of the Bills had to straighten out Jim Kelly. go Bills!!!!

 

My god, are you kidding? I am legit serious when I ask this, are you really a Bills fan? I really believe there are so many fans of other teams posting here in the guise of Bills fans. Did you see Josh's first six games? He was absolutely in the MVP conversation. The elbow injury hindered things for him. You really don't see that? BTW, he came in 4th in the MVP race, so he was in it the whole time. Again, the elbow injury hurt him a lot.

 

Too funny you say I am looking at the team through rose colored glasses, when I am here literally saying I am not sure we have enough depth to get past KC and Cincy.

 

No wait, here is what you REALLY mean. "WhAT IF We dRaFtED MaHOmeS!!!?" 

 

I don't think Josh can do no wrong, but I do side eye people who criticize him to the lengths some do here. I don't see this stuff when I lurk on a Bengals or Chiefs board. It's like some weird form of self loathing. Obviously Josh can clean some things up, but he is often considered QB2 in the league(at the very least toe to toe with Burrow in the rankings), can go match for match with Mahomes. Despite his turnovers, how often does he cost The Bills games? Very rarely. The Bengals game wasn't his greatest, but I would hardly pin that mess on him. Sure, we can play the "but he nearly cost us" game and go on about how we "almost" lost, but you can say that about any QB. I could point out some games where Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert etc "almost lost". It's just silly.

[Matt_In_NH]

11 hours ago, mannc said:

How Kincaid performed in the biggest game of the year is a data-point worth considering, don’t you think?

 

Any time you use one game you have to consider sample size and realize it could be an anomaly.  At the same time you have to use it in your overall evaluation but you cant give it more credit that it deserves.  The defense in that game never adjusted to what they were doing with him that wont happen in the NFL.   I am not saying he will or will not be successful in the NFL, just replying to this one comment.

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Any time you use one game you have to consider sample size and realize it could be an anomaly.  At the same time you have to use it in your overall evaluation but you cant give it more credit that it deserves.  The defense in that game never adjusted to what they were doing with him that wont happen in the NFL.   I am not saying he will or will not be successful in the NFL, just replying to this one comment.

 

Agreed

 

Presumably you guys are referring to his PAC-12 Championship Game vs. USC, which was one of his worst.  He had the least yards of any Utah receiver in that game.  

 

Extremes are also not good to use, either way. 

 

As an aside, when drafting PAC-12 offensive players, one has to absolutely consider the softness of PAC-12 Defenses in general.  I'm not a fan of PAC-12 QBs or WRs in round 1 for that reason.  Far too many high-end disappointments.  

 

 

[mannc]

4 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

 

Any time you use one game you have to consider sample size and realize it could be an anomaly.  At the same time you have to use it in your overall evaluation but you cant give it more credit that it deserves.  The defense in that game never adjusted to what they were doing with him that wont happen in the NFL.   I am not saying he will or will not be successful in the NFL, just replying to this one comment.

I loved the Kincaid pick.  Living on the West Coast i saw a lot of his games, but watching the replay of this game was a bit surprising.  I didn’t mean to make a big deal out of it…I mean, I’m sure Kyle Pitts had bad games in college too, but the bad drop and being outshone by the other Utah TE were disappointing.  Kincaid absolutely dominated USC in the regular season game, so maybe they were giving him a lot of extra attention in the championship game.

[first_and_ten]

12 hours ago, Aimee75 said:

My god, are you kidding? I am legit serious when I ask this, are you really a Bills fan? I really believe there are so many fans of other teams posting here in the guise of Bills fans. Did you see Josh's first six games? He was absolutely in the MVP conversation. The elbow injury hindered things for him. You really don't see that? BTW, he came in 4th in the MVP race, so he was in it the whole time. Again, the elbow injury hurt him a lot.

 

Too funny you say I am looking at the team through rose colored glasses, when I am here literally saying I am not sure we have enough depth to get past KC and Cincy.

 

No wait, here is what you REALLY mean. "WhAT IF We dRaFtED MaHOmeS!!!?" 

 

I don't think Josh can do no wrong, but I do side eye people who criticize him to the lengths some do here. I don't see this stuff when I lurk on a Bengals or Chiefs board. It's like some weird form of self loathing. Obviously Josh can clean some things up, but he is often considered QB2 in the league(at the very least toe to toe with Burrow in the rankings), can go match for match with Mahomes. Despite his turnovers, how often does he cost The Bills games? Very rarely. The Bengals game wasn't his greatest, but I would hardly pin that mess on him. Sure, we can play the "but he nearly cost us" game and go on about how we "almost" lost, but you can say that about any QB. I could point out some games where Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert etc "almost lost". It's just silly.

 

 

Ask all you want Aimee, I won't re-post things I've already said because you cannot comprehend. Honestly, what a stupid question! And I said you were looking at Josh Allen through rose colored glasses, not the team. Can you even read?

 

Don't put words in my mouth about Patrick Mahomes. Obviously you are very sensitive about him. I have never wished we had drafted Mahomes. Should they have? That's a whole other conversation. I dare not start one because your love affair for Josh Allen might cause your head to explode. Josh Allen is a great quarterback who has flaws like most. 

 

Sorry, but everything you say screams out, "Josh Allen is God". Again don't compare my point to that of others. Go respond to them, don't take your hate for them out on me. Why would you see criticism of Mahomes on the Chiefs board? He has been to 3 Super Bowls and has won 2 LOL. And as for Burrow, most of the pundits consider him number 2 now. I don't agree, but that's what they say. He has gone to a Super Bowl, unlike Josh, so maybe this is why. 

 

Aimee, as a die-hard Bills fan for many years (just ask my wife and friends), I would never question someone's allegiance to the Bills based on coming in this site and posing a legitimate concern about the Bills or giving an opinion. You are way too thin skinned. Relax and let others have opinions without attacking them. Please don't respond to me anymore.

[90sBills]

14 hours ago, Aimee75 said:

I don't see this stuff when I lurk on a Bengals or Chiefs board.

Maybe the reason you question other people’s motives on here is because you do more than lurk on other teams boards? Projecting your own experiences perhaps?

[ALG1130]

2 hours ago, first_and_ten said:

 

 

Ask all you want Aimee, I won't re-post things I've already said because you cannot comprehend. Honestly, what a stupid question! And I said you were looking at Josh Allen through rose colored glasses, not the team. Can you even read?

 

Don't put words in my mouth about Patrick Mahomes. Obviously you are very sensitive about him. I have never wished we had drafted Mahomes. Should they have? That's a whole other conversation. I dare not start one because your love affair for Josh Allen might cause your head to explode. Josh Allen is a great quarterback who has flaws like most. 

 

Sorry, but everything you say screams out, "Josh Allen is God". Again don't compare my point to that of others. Go respond to them, don't take your hate for them out on me. Why would you see criticism of Mahomes on the Chiefs board? He has been to 3 Super Bowls and has won 2 LOL. And as for Burrow, most of the pundits consider him number 2 now. I don't agree, but that's what they say. He has gone to a Super Bowl, unlike Josh, so maybe this is why. 

 

Aimee, as a die-hard Bills fan for many years (just ask my wife and friends), I would never question someone's allegiance to the Bills based on coming in this site and posing a legitimate concern about the Bills or giving an opinion. You are way too thin skinned. Relax and let others have opinions without attacking them. Please don't respond to me anymore.

Everything about you screams "I am a troll", an unhinged one at that.

22 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Maybe the reason you question other people’s motives on here is because you do more than lurk on other teams boards? Projecting your own experiences perhaps?

Yes I lurk on other teams boards from time to time. Turn that into whatever you like/to fit your narrative etc Looks like this board also isn't short of lurkers of other teams, ones that sign up and pretend to be Bills fans.

[White Linen]

On 7/2/2023 at 8:18 PM, first_and_ten said:

 

I stated why I felt this way in my post. Go back and read it.  I do not question his will to win. I think he has distractions this off season that he did not have in the past. What's wrong with pointing them out? But again, my point was to say that maybe the Diggs drama will help this team in the long haul. I hope this is the case. He could prove me wrong and cause all kinds of drama too. I was not judging Allen. He is their only hope for a Super Bowl. I just HOPE he's as committed as he was after his rookie season. I hope I've been clear. 

 

I think your point is clear.  The issue is, you feel so strongly about something that's impossible to know.  I get that it's your opinion and this is a discussion board but clarifying your thoughts doesn't make it any more plausible. 

 

 

 

Edited July 4, 2023 by White Linen

[90sBills]

46 minutes ago, Aimee75 said:

Yes I lurk on other teams boards from time to time. Turn that into whatever you like/to fit your narrative etc Looks like this board also isn't short of lurkers of other teams, ones that sign up and pretend to be Bills fans.

I only have so much time and motivation to engage in this type of sports entertainment. I’m not going to spend it on a team I don’t follow. The fact that you do and accuse others of doing what you do speaks more about you than any supposed ‘trolls’. 

[ALG1130]

8 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

I only have so much time and motivation to engage in this type of sports entertainment. I’m not going to spend it on a team I don’t follow. The fact that you do and accuse others of doing what you do speaks more about you than any supposed ‘trolls’. 

Okay. 

[machine gun kelly]

This is not an issue.  He’s not going anywhere, and the dead cap hit is ridiculous over two years.

 

Besides why in what universe does Beane and McD want to move on from one of the top 5 WR’s in the league still at his peak.

 

Moving on.  Even if we picked up D. Hop., we’re still not doing it.

[90sBills]

12 minutes ago, Aimee75 said:

Okay. 

I’m glad we agree. Go Bills!