first_and_ten Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said: Diggs showed up to mandatory not voluntary You're right
first_and_ten Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: Diggs didn't show up to voluntary OTA's. He waited until mandatory mini camp to bring up his "issues" and then was the only one of 90 players to miss practice that day. The "he just wants to win" excuse is a slap in the face to everyone else on that roster who also wants to win but doesn't have to publicly throw a hissy fit on the field during a playoff game to show it. As I said, this might work out better than we think. Time will tell. I'm sure you will be cheering him on when he is catching touchdowns. Voluntary OTA's are just that, voluntary. Why would he show up to voluntary practices and do this? It wouldn't get his point across. If mandatory practice is so important, why did they cancel the last day? 1
Doc Brown Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 2 hours ago, first_and_ten said: Has anyone thought of the fact that what Diggs just did may actually help this team win? He may have just given Josh Allen, Sean McDermott, Ken Dorsey, et al a wake up call!! Diggs wants to win. He come in, sees the same offense being run, sees Josh Allen all over the television at every golf tournament he can possibly get to, sees him all over the internet , not because he's trying to get better at football, but because he's dating a movie star. He knows Ken Dorsey got outcoached badly by the Cincy DC. He knows all to well that it was McDermott's fault they lost the 13 second game. Maybe he sees the same old same old, and feels he needs to rock the boat and wake them up!!! 2 minutes ago, first_and_ten said: As I said, this might work out better than we think. Time will tell. I'm sure you will be cheering him on when he is catching touchdowns. Voluntary OTA's are just that, voluntary. Why would he show up to voluntary practices and do this? It wouldn't get his point across. If mandatory practice is so important, why did they cancel the last day? Josh Allen showed up at all the voluntary OTA's. Diggs didn't. So to think that Diggs was trying to send a wake up call to Allen, McDermott, and Dorsey to work harder to win next season like he does is laughable. Come on man. Stop making excuses for his selfish behavior. 2 3
Lfod Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) I love that Diggs is so passionate about winning and it would be best if everyone shared that same energy. If he turned toxic to the point it's going to be a distraction for him and others then I would be open to trading him if somebody wanted to over pay. I don't think that will happen so even if he did turn very toxic he is going to have to deal with being stuck where he is at. You don't take contracts and get the convenience of jumping ship when you stop believing. Hopefully Diggs can channel that anger and put it into staying focused and be comfortable knowing he tried his best to get a ring and you still got phat stacks of cash to make you feel better. Edited June 25, 2023 by Lfod 1 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 I am not sure if Albright has a real source who told him this but if there is a real source then it is the Bills trying to send a message to Diggs. That being said every single player not named Josh is available under the proper conditions, we build around him and everyone else is secondary. 3
Low Positive Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Orlando Tim said: I am not sure if Albright has a real source who told him this but if there is a real source then it is the Bills trying to send a message to Diggs. That being said every single player not named Josh is available under the proper conditions, we build around him and everyone else is secondary. If you scroll back a few pages, you’ll find Albright tweeting that the basis of this story was his idle speculation on a Broncos podcast. He admits that he has no source and was playing “what if.” Diggs’ contract is untradable. The Bills will have to make it work for the next two years. There is no other option. 3 1
ALF Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 If they force the ball to Diggs there would be a lot of interceptions 2
Buckets Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 On 6/22/2023 at 1:42 PM, Big Turk said: Publicly they continue to say he isn't for trade, but apparently privately they would be open to it under the right circumstances...allegedly. If this report is true, what do you think the "right circumstances" would be? https://heavy.com/sports/buffalo-bills/bills-privately-open-traiding-stefon-diggs/amp/ I'm skeptical of all of these "reports" coming from unnamed sources, these guys have to come up with crap to stay relevant.
LABILLBACKER Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 1 hour ago, ALF said: If they force the ball to Diggs there would be a lot of interceptions Yes, especially since the entire league now knows to just double him like they did last year. Unless Kincaid or another wr rises up, it will be the same this year. Not having a semi competent WR2 really does hurt.
1ManRaid Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 2 hours ago, FrenchConnection said: If you scroll back a few pages, you’ll find Albright tweeting that the basis of this story was his idle speculation on a Broncos podcast. He admits that he has no source and was playing “what if.” Diggs’ contract is untradable. The Bills will have to make it work for the next two years. There is no other option. Which is why I'm wondering how this thread is still running and not locked. Threads have been locked that were more credible than this. 5 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Yes, especially since the entire league now knows to just double him like they did last year. Unless Kincaid or another wr rises up, it will be the same this year. Not having a semi competent WR2 really does hurt. Or unless the O-line steps up, or unless Dorsey stops calling deep out routes in the freezing snow?
BADOLBILZ Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 1 hour ago, ALF said: If they force the ball to Diggs there would be a lot of interceptions Maybe........but if the alternative is to target Davis 100+ times over 17 games........well, we know that that lead to a lot of interceptions and a very poor passer rating. Again.......we need to keep our fingers crossed that somebody on the roster turns into a better option than Davis.
Orlando Buffalo Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 2 hours ago, FrenchConnection said: If you scroll back a few pages, you’ll find Albright tweeting that the basis of this story was his idle speculation on a Broncos podcast. He admits that he has no source and was playing “what if.” Diggs’ contract is untradable. The Bills will have to make it work for the next two years. There is no other option. I did not know all that, thanks. Diggs I think would be tradable for like 5 1st rounders but I am aware that there is not any team that will give up what we would need it to be for it to make sense to love him.
1ManRaid Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: I did not know all that, thanks. Diggs I think would be tradable for like 5 1st rounders but I am aware that there is not any team that will give up what we would need it to be for it to make sense to love him. Prime Megatron wouldn't be worth 5 1st rounders...
Orlando Buffalo Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said: Prime Megatron wouldn't be worth 5 1st rounders... I agree, I was trying to show what kind of insane haul it would have to be to entice the Bills to take the cap hit and no one is gonna offer that much.
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 16 hours ago, first_and_ten said: I just don't agree with "Everyone in the organization has acknowledged" that the Super Bowl window is rapidly closing. Brandon Beane has said that he wants to build a team that always has a chance of winning every year. The window is far from rapidly closing. The window is open every year Allen is on their roster 1
Mango Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Orlando Tim said: I agree, I was trying to show what kind of insane haul it would have to be to entice the Bills to take the cap hit and no one is gonna offer that much. There is no insane cap hit at least when compared to having him on/off the roster. It doesn’t exist. Diggs cap hit is $3M more off of the roster than he is on the roster. Diggs contract is prohibitive to the team no matter what they do with him. I’m going to keep saying this on every page as often as people keep mindlessly parroting this. Edited June 25, 2023 by Mango
Orlando Buffalo Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 38 minutes ago, Mango said: There is no insane cap hit at least when compared to having him on/off the roster. It doesn’t exist. Diggs cap hit is $3M more off of the roster than he is on the roster. Diggs contract is prohibitive to the team no matter what they do with him. I’m going to keep saying this on every page as often as people keep mindlessly parroting this. According to Spotrac his cap hit is $15 million a year on the team and $45 million if he is cut or traded. What am I missing? Seriously if they are wrong or I don't understand the cap I am open to learning. 1
purple haze Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 On 6/22/2023 at 10:42 AM, Big Turk said: Publicly they continue to say he isn't for trade, but apparently privately they would be open to it under the right circumstances...allegedly. If this report is true, what do you think the "right circumstances" would be? https://heavy.com/sports/buffalo-bills/bills-privately-open-traiding-stefon-diggs/amp/ This report strikes me as not true. The cap hits would be untenable.
Augie Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 8 hours ago, Orlando Tim said: I am not sure if Albright has a real source who told him this but if there is a real source then it is the Bills trying to send a message to Diggs. That being said every single player not named Josh is available under the proper conditions, we build around him and everyone else is secondary. I have also heard speculated that the extensions for Beane and McD were another message to Diggs. They will be here after you are gone. I’m not saying this is the intent, but I believe it will certainly happen that way.
Mango Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: According to Spotrac his cap hit is $15 million a year on the team and $45 million if he is cut or traded. What am I missing? Seriously if they are wrong or I don't understand the cap I am open to learning. Sorry, that comment isn’t totally directed at you. I’ve broken this down a few times. I get everybody doesn’t read every page. But there are a lot of people that are either not catching it or ignoring it, then continuing the conversation of how it’s not possible because of the $45M. Spotrac isn’t wrong. His total dead cap is spread over two years. Which does in fact equal $45M. But dead cap isn’t in addition to, it’s in replacement of his current contract/cap number, and it’s over two years, not a single $45M increase. So you have to look at that number compared to what it costs to keep him. Having Diggs on the roster the next two years costs the team about $42. Only a $3M difference and actually saves the team $1.6M this season. If you want the specific break down click on the red X to the right of any season. It will break down the cap hit based on trade and release. It’s not that Diggs can’t be moved. He can be. It’s we would want (need?) an immediate replacement, and that replacement would likely cost $15-20M, which would be difficult. But not really any more difficult than signing that player with Diggs on the roster either. (ie. OBJ/Hopkins) The Bills can do it. But would likely have to package another player to make room this year. My quick thought is Mike Evans and a high pick for Diggs. Then see what value we can get for Morse which should give us the cap space we need. Use the high pick and space next year to solve the Diggs problem in the offseason, while also having a one year rental. That’s just an idea for what’s possible. But I’d prefer to keep Diggs and have everybody get along while playing high level football. 2 1 1
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