first_and_ten Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 On 6/23/2023 at 8:44 AM, mjt328 said: Every time Brandon Beane talked this offseason, he mentioned getting the offense MORE weapons. He was limited in cap space and there weren't a bunch of options, but he still signed two free agent receivers (Trent Sherfield and Deonte Harty). We know he explored signing Odell Beckham and acquiring DeAndre Hopkins. In the draft, he ended up getting the best receiving Tight End (Dalton Kincaid) and adding another receiver (Justin Shorter). Everyone knows the Bills are inside a rapidly closing Super Bowl window. Everyone in the organization has acknowledged that. There isn't a single example in the last 2-3 seasons of us doing anything that could possibly be viewed as a rebuild or reset. Beane's moves have all been about trying to win a championship right now, with a little bit of care to not totally mortgaging the future. The idea he would trade away Stefon Diggs is laughable. Not only because it would completely blow-up our Super Bowl aspirations, but because it would also cause dead-cap problems. It would pretty much be the opposite strategy of every move Beane has made recently. Regardless of whether Diggs is causing issues internally (which is entirely possible), the Bills know they NEED him badly and couldn't realistically move on financially if they wanted to. I absolutely believe more is going on with Diggs than our front office is currently admitting. It could stem from a multitude of issues, up to and including anger with the coaching staff, gameplan, team acquisitions, or personal beef with other players. All of these possibilities are on the table. But nobody outside of a select few people on this planet know the truth, and the Bills are notoriously tight-lipped with allowing leaks. The media is desperate to milk this story during the NFL's slowest time of year, but they can't get anything concrete. So as usual, they are just running with rumors from anonymous sources. It's pathetic. I just don't agree with "Everyone in the organization has acknowledged" that the Super Bowl window is rapidly closing. Brandon Beane has said that he wants to build a team that always has a chance of winning every year. The window is far from rapidly closing. 1 4
Mango Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Buncha malarkey. Dead cap dead cap dead cap dead cap. Go listen to Greg Tomsett, the Cap expert at Cover 1. The Bills will not be able to function as a team next year if we trade Diggs. I’m not advocating trading Diggs. But this data isn’t fully correct and it needs to not be parroted if we are going to keep having this conversation. Keeping Diggs on the roster this year and next eats up approximately $42M in cap space. Trading Diggs today means that he eats up approximately $45M in cap space over the next two years. That is not $45M more against the cap than his current cost. It’s just $45M compared to $42M. A $3M difference is not what would hold anything back. The real issue would likely be getting enough value in return. We would need a quality no. 1 WR in return for at least a year. That WR would also likely eat an additional $15-20M. Thats the contract that would be prohibitive given our overall cap situation. Add in the fact that the Bills would probably also want a high draft pick in addition to the player. It’s a lot of compensation. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/stefon-diggs-16872/ 1
Nephilim17 Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mango said: I’m not advocating trading Diggs. But this data isn’t fully correct and it needs to not be parroted if we are going to keep having this conversation. Keeping Diggs on the roster this year and next eats up approximately $42M in cap space. Trading Diggs today means that he eats up approximately $45M in cap space over the next two years. That is not $45M more against the cap than his current cost. It’s just $45M compared to $42M. A $3M difference is not what would hold anything back. The real issue would likely be getting enough value in return. We would need a quality no. 1 WR in return for at least a year. That WR would also likely eat an additional $15-20M. Thats the contract that would be prohibitive given our overall cap situation. Add in the fact that the Bills would probably also want a high draft pick in addition to the player. It’s a lot of compensation. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/stefon-diggs-16872/ A very interesting (and truthful) way to frame this... Of course it would leave a gaping hole in the roster for a WR 1 — and we don't have the the cap space to replace him with Hopkins. This idea — as an theoretical exercise only — seems to make sense if the trade involves a WR 1 on a rookie deal (in additional to any other draft pick compensation). Jerry Jeudy, as an example, has a cap hit of $2.7 million this year. I'm guessing that could be managed to fit if the Bills wanted that deal. Not saying it should be done, but it could — IF the Bills wanted a young WR on a rookie deal — to replace Stef. The question would then be, why would another team trade a good WR 1 on a rookie deal for an aging Diggs on a huge contract. 1
first_and_ten Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 Has anyone thought of the fact that what Diggs just did may actually help this team win? He may have just given Josh Allen, Sean McDermott, Ken Dorsey, et al a wake up call!! Diggs wants to win. He come in, sees the same offense being run, sees Josh Allen all over the television at every golf tournament he can possibly get to, sees him all over the internet , not because he's trying to get better at football, but because he's dating a movie star. He knows Ken Dorsey got outcoached badly by the Cincy DC. He knows all to well that it was McDermott's fault they lost the 13 second game. Maybe he sees the same old same old, and feels he needs to rock the boat and wake them up!!! 3
oldmanfan Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 1 hour ago, first_and_ten said: Has anyone thought of the fact that what Diggs just did may actually help this team win? He may have just given Josh Allen, Sean McDermott, Ken Dorsey, et al a wake up call!! Diggs wants to win. He come in, sees the same offense being run, sees Josh Allen all over the television at every golf tournament he can possibly get to, sees him all over the internet , not because he's trying to get better at football, but because he's dating a movie star. He knows Ken Dorsey got outcoached badly by the Cincy DC. He knows all to well that it was McDermott's fault they lost the 13 second game. Maybe he sees the same old same old, and feels he needs to rock the boat and wake them up!!! So you think those three have done nothing this off-season to improve? That they aren’t all in to win? Wasn’t Diggs just in France? Come on now.
first_and_ten Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: So you think those three have done nothing this off-season to improve? That they aren’t all in to win? Wasn’t Diggs just in France? Come on now. I'm just coming from the perspective of how Diggs might perceive things. Besides, all the golfing outings Allen has been seen at, and the new star romantic partner he's been seen with. I think it's fair to ask if he works as hard now as he did going into his second season.
BillsFan692 Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, first_and_ten said: I'm just coming from the perspective of how Diggs might perceive things. Besides, all the golfing outings Allen has been seen at, and the new star romantic partner he's been seen with. I think it's fair to ask if he works as hard now as he did going into his second season. According to josh he is more locked in than ever before and that his #1 goal in life is to bring a championship home to Buffalo. Diggs is okay, if we are being honest a little small. He drops balls sometimes too and makes errors, seen it time and again. Pointing fingers and blame game is not conducive to a good working relationship and not really a great attitude for a championship contender to have. Diggs dont know how to act right like lots of #1 guys they get egotistical and think they are gods gift and its everyone elses fault. I like diggs, hes great. But for all this bull#### hes started since last season ended up until now, i dont really think hes the guy he thinks he is. Edited June 25, 2023 by BillsFan692
first_and_ten Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 Just now, BillsFan692 said: According to josh he is more locked in than ever before and that his #1 goal in life is to bring a championship home to Buffalo. Of course he's going to say that. I hope he has a great year, but remember what I said if he doesn't. 1
BillsFan692 Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, first_and_ten said: Of course he's going to say that. I hope he has a great year, but remember what I said if he doesn't. I have no idea what you said honestly but why would we be turning on josh and not taking him at face value? He is like, the single best thing that has ever happened to this football team. If there was a battle between diggs and josh (which there isnt) its pretty obnoxious to take diggs side over joshes lmao Edited June 25, 2023 by BillsFan692
first_and_ten Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said: I have no idea what you said honestly but why would we be turning on josh and not taking him at face value? He is like, the single best thing that has ever happened to this football team. If there was a battle between diggs and josh (which there isnt) its pretty obnoxious to take diggs side over joshes lmao I'm not taking anyone's side. Not sure why taking Diggs side over Allen would be some kind of sacrilege anyway...kind of a weird statement there, but anyways, I hope Josh proves me wrong.
Saxum Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 2 hours ago, first_and_ten said: I just don't agree with "Everyone in the organization has acknowledged" that the Super Bowl window is rapidly closing. Brandon Beane has said that he wants to build a team that always has a chance of winning every year. The window is far from rapidly closing. Well there is probably a correlation between those who think they are in hot seat and those who say that the Super Bowl window is rapidly closing.
first_and_ten Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Well there is probably a correlation between those who think they are in hot seat and those who say that the Super Bowl window is rapidly closing. Yeah ok, but this opinion is not coming from inside the organization.
Saxum Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 Just now, first_and_ten said: Yeah ok, but this opinion is not coming from inside the organization. Nope. Talk radio is where they gather like the old up'Chuck Dickerson fans.
first_and_ten Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Nope. Talk radio is where they gather like the old up'Chuck Dickerson fans. 😂😂
Saxum Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: This false story still persisting here I see Stories on Josh Allen made by draft gurus persisted for three years even after they were proved wrong. 1
Doc Brown Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 49 minutes ago, first_and_ten said: I'm just coming from the perspective of how Diggs might perceive things. Besides, all the golfing outings Allen has been seen at, and the new star romantic partner he's been seen with. I think it's fair to ask if he works as hard now as he did going into his second season. Which one showed up to voluntary OTA's?
first_and_ten Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Which one showed up to voluntary OTA's? Diggs did show up, and left for what may turn out to be good reasons. Josh Allen shows up for all the pro golf tournaments too. That's my concern. Is he as committed?
Starr Almighty Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, first_and_ten said: Diggs did show up, and left for what may turn out to be good reasons. Josh Allen shows up for all the pro golf tournaments too. That's my concern. Is he as committed? Diggs showed up to mandatory not voluntary
Doc Brown Posted June 25, 2023 Posted June 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, first_and_ten said: Diggs did show up, and left for what may turn out to be good reasons. Josh Allen shows up for all the pro golf tournaments too. That's my concern. Is he as committed? Diggs didn't show up to voluntary OTA's. He waited until mandatory mini camp to bring up his "issues" and then was the only one of 90 players to miss practice that day. The "he just wants to win" excuse is a slap in the face to everyone else on that roster who also wants to win but doesn't have to publicly throw a hissy fit on the field during a playoff game to show it. 7 1 1 2 1
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