Airseven Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: Basically if McD is unable to coach a game - Wash takes the headset as the HC for the game. Likely true. But a more practical change will be when McDermott needs to devote extra time in the defensive huddles, he’ll have his right-hand man picking up HC responsibilities. Quote
StHustle Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 31 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Oh snap, he's growing that Lovie Smith beard. How is he growing a Lovie Smith beard? It's nowhere even close to similar. Cause it's gray on a black man's face? 1 2 Quote
Logic Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 McDermott probably feels like, with his move to calling the defense this season, he'd like to have someone trusted he can lean on to step in for him when needed and do some of the things that a head coach does. For those suggesting it should've been someone on the offensive side, who would you suggest? Ken Dorsey wouldn't make sense because, for one thing, he's got enough on his plate trying to grow as an offensive coordinator and, for two, he might be up in the booth on gamedays, not on the sideline. Aside from him, who would you pick? Kromer? Hide your beach chairs! That's my question to anyone that complains about this move -- and there WILL be (and already have been) complainers. If not Eric Washington, who would you have picked instead? 6 Quote
Einstein Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 I don't really care, since it's just a title. However, I do find it odd that they would promote someone, even ceremoniously, while his unit underperforms yearly. 2 1 Quote
DCofNC Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 Knowing the NFL, they are going to do a fluff piece for the start of the season to show how much more “inclusive” they got and needed some extra promotions to talk about. If you see more of these it will be all to obvious. 2 Quote
Augie Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Einstein said: I don't really care, since it's just a title. However, I do find it odd that they would promote someone, even ceremoniously, while his unit underperforms yearly. Second in the NFL last year giving up 17.9 points/game despite being decimated by injuries (including in the playoffs). But you feel free to be you. Please don’t embarrass yourself by mentioning 13 seconds. . Edited June 21, 2023 by Augie 1 2 1 2 2 5 Quote
BullBuchanan Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 Promoting a guy who's in charge of the unit with maybe the worst ROI in the entire league. Despite 4 top 60 picks, including a top 10, numerous high end FA signings, and a league high expenditure, DL continues to be a weakness of this team that needs constant addressing. Washington should have been fired a long time ago. Working for McDermott seems like a pretty sweet gig. Once you're in, you're in - Except for that safeties coach I guess. 3 1 Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Promoting a guy who's in charge of the unit with maybe the worst ROI in the entire league. Despite 4 top 60 picks, including a top 10, numerous high end FA signings, and a league high expenditure, DL continues to be a weakness of this team that needs constant addressing. Washington should have been fired a long time ago. Working for McDermott seems like a pretty sweet gig. Once you're in, you're in - Except for that safeties coach I guess. It's why Leslie Frazier is still our DC. It's still why Rick Dennison is our OC. 1 1 2 Quote
balln Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 31 minutes ago, DCofNC said: Knowing the NFL, they are going to do a fluff piece for the start of the season to show how much more “inclusive” they got and needed some extra promotions to talk about. If you see more of these it will be all to obvious. Yea just future building chances for minority comp pick Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 43 minutes ago, StHustle said: How is he growing a Lovie Smith beard? It's nowhere even close to similar. Cause it's gray on a black man's face? Growing. The "ing" signifies he's in the process of something. They teach prefix and suffix usage and meanings in like...3rd grade. 1 2 2 Quote
RyanC883 Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, The Jokeman said: I disagree, AJ Espensa went to a less than 2 sack guy to a guy with 6.5 sacks last season. Also think we've have seen good things from Kingsley Jonathan etc. Yes, others haven't developed but it's not always the coaches fault. how many of those sacks came when Von was out? Or in the Bengals game against a backup OL. The DL was PUTRID when it mattered most, and Basham and Groot were not great when Von was out. 1 1 Quote
Chandler#81 Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 So this confirms Frazier won’t be returning, right? Quote
RyanC883 Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: It's why Leslie Frazier is still our DC. It's still why Rick Dennison is our OC. Frazier stayed much longer than he should have. The 13 seconds should have been his exit. Then he was never fired, he left after then Bengal debacle. 1 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 Was he just launched out of The Accelerator?? Quote
RyanC883 Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Logic said: McDermott probably feels like, with his move to calling the defense this season, he'd like to have someone trusted he can lean on to step in for him when needed and do some of the things that a head coach does. For those suggesting it should've been someone on the offensive side, who would you suggest? Ken Dorsey wouldn't make sense because, for one thing, he's got enough on his plate trying to grow as an offensive coordinator and, for two, he might be up in the booth on gamedays, not on the sideline. Aside from him, who would you pick? Kromer? Hide your beach chairs! That's my question to anyone that complains about this move -- and there WILL be (and already have been) complainers. If not Eric Washington, who would you have picked instead? Fair points, but this assumes there was a need for this position/job responsibility during game day. Second: would have preferred Holcomb, Shula, Brady, or Babich (in no particular order). I'd rather Washington focus on continuing trying to improve the DL. Edited June 21, 2023 by RyanC883 1 Quote
SCBills Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 Just now, RyanC883 said: Frazier stayed much longer than he should have. The 13 seconds should have been his exit. Then he was never fired, he left after then Bengal debacle. Completely agree. Beane likely thought they were a Von Miller away, along with the excuse of losing Tre White that season, but in hindsight he should have known Frazier's defense is not going to work against Burrow/Mahomes. Texans WC second half collapse. The defense got carved up by Rivers the next year in the 4th Quarter, but Allen outdueled him. Then we got boat raced by KC in the AFCCG. Two strong postseason performances.. One in a winter hurricane against Lamar Jackson, and the other in 4 degrees against Mac Jones. Then 13 seconds happened. We know Frazier dominates limited QB's. His defense did it twice in weather games. In normal weather, against more talented QB's, his defense was a liability 4 times. Second half vs Deshaun Watson. 4th Quarter vs Phillip Rivers. Mahomes twice. In retrospect, that was enough sample size to see that Frazier is not the guy when it comes to the postseason. I'm not sure it would've been much different, given the injuries we sustained last year, but between the struggle session against Skylar Thompson, followed by Burrow toying with us, Frazier was here one year too long. As you said, there was enough data for 13 seconds to be the breaking point. 1 4 Quote
Don Otreply Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 38 minutes ago, Augie said: Second in the NFL last year giving up 17.9 points/game despite being decimated by injuries (including in the playoffs). But you feel free to be you. Please don’t embarrass yourself by mentioning 13 seconds. . The guy thinks he’s some kind of a genius…, in reality he has a constant breeze going over his head .,, 2 1 Quote
Logic Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 Just now, RyanC883 said: Fair points, but this assumes there was a need for this position/job responsibility during game day. Second: would have preferred Shula, Brady, or Babich. Thanks for the response. Your "preferred candidates" list is fair. I can't help but wonder if McDermott being added to the defensive coaching "room" is the reason he felt more comfortable giving extra responsibilities to a coach from that side of the ball. In other words, if he has to tab someone to take on extra duties -- thus potentially sacrificing/forgoing a bit of their own usual duties at times -- it makes more sense for it to be a defensive coach, since McDermott himself is potentially doing some of that defensive stuff now. If that's the case, then I do agree that Babich may have been a good choice. Perhaps his never having had defensive coordinator experience before, as Eric Washington has, is what kept him from being the choice. 4 Quote
1onemangang7 Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Fleezoid said: It's archetypical of how the entire world works. Not just the friends thing, but the underperformance part as well. Like Simon being a moderator, right? The guy is biased and terrible but a pal. 1 Quote
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