The Avenger Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 On 6/20/2023 at 4:33 PM, T&C said: Is this where you're at? Expand Yep - exactly right Shana.. I'm not hoping for a bad outcome and I'm not saying anyone deserves this, but there are risks... What I'm saying is that if there are extraordinary measures taken (i.e. - Navy ships and subs) perhaps a billionaire who is rescued should pony up a little money to offset the taxpayer. I get that the USCG is not a business and should render aid to those in trouble - just seems like there should be a limit (just like some hikers that have to be rescued by helicopters - sometime they have to pay feels associated with their rescue). . 1 1 Quote
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 On 6/20/2023 at 4:49 PM, The Avenger said: Yep - exactly right Shana.. I'm not hoping for a bad outcome and I'm not saying anyone deserves this, but there are risks... What I'm saying is that if there are extraordinary measures taken (i.e. - Navy ships and subs) perhaps a billionaire who is rescued should pony up a little money to offset the taxpayer. I get that the USCG is not a business and should render aid to those in trouble - just seems like there should be a limit (just like some hikers that have to be rescued by helicopters - sometime they have to pay feels associated with their rescue). . Expand They some aren't that rich. They mortgage their houses to take these trips. /smdh... Quote
dpberr Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 The ARA San Juan, an Argentinian diesel single-hull sub, imploded at just 3,000 meters in 2017. A USN Seawolf sub, with a state-of-the-art, classified hull design, has a crush depth of 2,400 meters. This dude took a barely tested carbon-fiber hull down to 13,000 meters. These billionaires had to be on some sort of drugs to get in that rickety-ass submersible. 1 1 1 Quote
Nextmanup Posted June 20, 2023 Author Posted June 20, 2023 As of a live press conference conducted by the US Coast Guard (which has the lead in the investigation) around 1pm, they have searched above and below water in an area bigger than Connecticut and not found the vessel. If I had to guess right now, I'd say they never find it, let alone rescue anyone. About 37 hours of air left as of right now. What a nightmare. Quote
The Avenger Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) On 6/20/2023 at 4:57 PM, ExiledInIllinois said: They some aren't that rich. They mortgage their houses to take these trips. /smdh... Expand Onboard we have 5 people - a British billionaire, one of the wealthiest men in Pakistan and his son, the CEO of the submarine tour company and a French naval explorer - not exactly regular people who mortgaged houses to take a $250K jaunt to the Titanic. As much as they want to say trips like this (and into space) are open to the public, they're really open to the super wealthy and those that are invited. Seems like at most of these people could contribute to the cost of their rescue if it happens (and I hope it does)... The damn thing was run on an off the shelf game controller! Hope they brought extra batteries for it! Edited June 20, 2023 by The Avenger 1 1 Quote
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) On 6/20/2023 at 6:36 PM, dpberr said: The ARA San Juan, an Argentinian diesel single-hull sub, imploded at just 3,000 meters in 2017. A USN Seawolf sub, with a state-of-the-art, classified hull design, has a crush depth of 2,400 meters. This dude took a barely tested carbon-fiber hull down to 13,000 meters. These billionaires had to be on some sort of drugs to get in that rickety-ass submersible. Expand 13,000 FEET. NOT meters. I think you're mixing up the distances. 13,000 is ~>4,000m But still... Seems crazy at 4,000m given the crush depths of those other hauls. Edited June 20, 2023 by ExiledInIllinois Quote
Doc Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 James Cameron has made 33 dives to the Titanic wreckage. I'd have used what he used, not this half-assed thing. Quote
NoSaint Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 https://finance.yahoo.com/news/whistleblower-raised-safety-concerns-oceangate-190058533.html whistle blower fired a few years back. Bodes well. not ignoring the human element here, but on a practical level definitely curious about insurance carried on something like this. Quote
NoSaint Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 On 6/20/2023 at 8:36 PM, The Avenger said: Onboard we have 5 people - a British billionaire, one of the wealthiest men in Pakistan and his son, the CEO of the submarine tour company and a French naval explorer - not exactly regular people who mortgaged houses to take a $250K jaunt to the Titanic. As much as they want to say trips like this (and into space) are open to the public, they're really open to the super wealthy and those that are invited. Seems like at most of these people could contribute to the cost of their rescue if it happens (and I hope it does)... The damn thing was run on an off the shelf game controller! Hope they brought extra batteries for it! Expand well, and to some degree that’s why I was curious about insurance needs on these. The societal cost of disaster is quite expensive even on a small vessel. But honestly no idea what the actual regulations are on a submarine in international waters…. Quote
Johnny Hammersticks Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 This death tube is going to wash up on shore when I take my family to the beach in Maine this summer. 🤦🏾 3 Quote
muppy Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 this thread reeks of morbid thoughts EEEEK what a tragic ridiculous reckless story. Ive read this thread. It's giving me the creeps just sayin' I dont like to think about someone suffering this. mistake. BIG. Lord have mercy. 1 Quote
Bad Things Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 On 6/20/2023 at 6:36 PM, dpberr said: The ARA San Juan, an Argentinian diesel single-hull sub, imploded at just 3,000 meters in 2017. A USN Seawolf sub, with a state-of-the-art, classified hull design, has a crush depth of 2,400 meters. This dude took a barely tested carbon-fiber hull down to 13,000 meters. These billionaires had to be on some sort of drugs to get in that rickety-ass submersible. Expand The Titanic is at 3,800m. (12,500ft) Quote
The Avenger Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 On 6/20/2023 at 11:26 PM, NoSaint said: well, and to some degree that’s why I was curious about insurance needs on these. The societal cost of disaster is quite expensive even on a small vessel. But honestly no idea what the actual regulations are on a submarine in international waters…. Expand The CBS story said that the submersible was not certified by any body (i.e. - USCG). I'm guessing there was no insurance and everyone aboard signed a substantial waiver before boarding. Quote
BillsFan4 Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 Hoping they are found and rescued safely! It’s hard not to think about what they might be going through right now. Quote
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 They could be nearer to surface. Reports are that they picked up banging sounds in intervals of 30 minutes... Sheesh... Quote
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 On 6/21/2023 at 12:05 AM, Johnny Hammersticks said: This death tube is going to wash up on shore when I take my family to the beach in Maine this summer. 🤦🏾 Expand Just to be sure. I'd change those plans for somewhere in Europe. 😆 Okay... GPS doesn't work underwater. Why hasn't a locator been built in? Why hasn't a "black box" been installed that could give out pings? Quote
aristocrat Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) This kid has been arrested in the past for mass shooting threats and stalking Edited June 21, 2023 by aristocrat Quote
SectionC3 Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 On 6/20/2023 at 9:33 PM, Doc said: James Cameron has made 33 dives to the Titanic wreckage. I'd have used what he used, not this half-assed thing. Expand Agreed. Play stupid games, get stupid prizes. Quote
davefan66 Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) On 6/20/2023 at 8:34 PM, Nextmanup said: As of a live press conference conducted by the US Coast Guard (which has the lead in the investigation) around 1pm, they have searched above and below water in an area bigger than Connecticut and not found the vessel. If I had to guess right now, I'd say they never find it, let alone rescue anyone. About 37 hours of air left as of right now. What a nightmare. Expand Finding it may be like finding a needle in 50 haystacks. And thats assuming it hasn’t drifted a substantial distance from entry. Sad situation for sure. Edited June 21, 2023 by davefan66 Quote
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