Einstein Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Dungy, while not perfect, produced consistently good results. This depends on your definition of good results. The only goal of an NFL season is to win the Super Bowl. Not to win regular season games, not to lose in the divisional round, not to build a culture. Winning a Super Bowl... or bust. That's it. 2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Kind of like Reid before Mahomes dragged him huh? Not the same. Reid was a good coach pre-Mahomes. He had been to NUMEROUS championship games, and a Super Bowl. And with a worse QB than Allen. Dungy, like McDermott, was the king of divisional round or worse. The fact that he only got to 1 Super Bowl with Peyton freaking Manning is one of the most damning aspects of Dungy's career. And the fact that Gruden won Dungy's team a Super Bowl the year after Dungy was fired, puts the nail in Dungy's coaching coffin. Quote
4merper4mer Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Einstein said: This depends on your definition of good results. The only goal of an NFL season is to win the Super Bowl. Not to win regular season games, not to lose in the divisional round, not to build a culture. Winning a Super Bowl... or bust. That's it. Not the same. Reid was a good coach pre-Mahomes. He had been to NUMEROUS championship games, and a Super Bowl. And with a worse QB than Allen. Dungy, like McDermott, was the king of divisional round or worse. The fact that he only got to 1 Super Bowl with Peyton freaking Manning is one of the most damning aspects of Dungy's career. And the fact that Gruden won Dungy's team a Super Bowl the year after Dungy was fired, puts the nail in Dungy's coaching coffin. Your two answers contradict each other. Only goal is win Super Bpwl. Reid is an exception because…….?????…….nonsense which directly contradicts a sentence typed four seconds earlier. Why aren’t there 31 coaches fired every year? Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, Einstein said: This depends on your definition of good results. The only goal of an NFL season is to win the Super Bowl. Not to win regular season games, not to lose in the divisional round, not to build a culture. Winning a Super Bowl... or bust. That's it. Not the same. Reid was a good coach pre-Mahomes. He had been to NUMEROUS championship games, and a Super Bowl. And with a worse QB than Allen. Dungy, like McDermott, was the king of divisional round or worse. The fact that he only got to 1 Super Bowl with Peyton freaking Manning is one of the most damning aspects of Dungy's career. And the fact that Gruden won Dungy's team a Super Bowl the year after Dungy was fired, puts the nail in Dungy's coaching coffin. Quote
Billsflyer12 Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: Dungy has a ring. He won it with his 2nd team. John Madden in 1976 the only coach of 66 different ones to make his 1st Super Bowl appearance after season 7 with their 1st team. Quote
GoBills808 Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 2 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Lol so you’re cool rolling the dice on Ben Johnson or whoever the cutest OC du jour might be if McD wins a ring elsewhere dragged or not? Gruden burned hot but he burned things down. Dungy, while not perfect, produced consistently good results. Kind of like Reid before Mahomes dragged him huh? Who cares if McDermott wins a ring elsewhere if Buffalo gets one too? 1 Quote
Einstein Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Your two answers contradict each other. Only goal is win Super Bpwl. Reid is an exception There is no contradiction. The only goal is to win a Super Bowl. That does not mean that only the Super Bowl winner has a good coach. I don’t know how you came to the conclusion that I was making that argument. You mentioned that Reid is analogous to Dungy pre-franchise QB. And I pointed out that Reid, even before Mahomes, was far more successful than Dungy was prior to Manning. So the comparison was invalid. And Philly was right to fire Reid. 1 Quote
4merper4mer Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Einstein said: There is no contradiction. The only goal is to win a Super Bowl. That does not mean that only the Super Bowl winner has a good coach. I don’t know how you came to the conclusion that I was making that argument. You mentioned that Reid is analogous to Dungy pre-franchise QB. And I pointed out that Reid, even before Mahomes, was far more successful than Dungy was prior to Manning. So the comparison was invalid. How could Reid have been “far more successful” if the “only goal” is to win a Super Bowl and he hadn’t. He has one goal. He hasn’t reached it. How can someone else who also has only one goal be “less successful”? 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: Who cares if McDermott wins a ring elsewhere if Buffalo gets one too? Because Ben Johnson is cute? Or something? Quote
Gregg Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: How could Reid have been “far more successful” if the “only goal” is to win a Super Bowl and he hadn’t. He has one goal. He hasn’t reached it. How can someone else who also has only one goal be “less successful”? Because Ben Johnson is cute? Or something? While Reid didn't win a Super Bowl with Eagles, he did come close to getting there. Didn't his teams go to the NFC Championship game multiple times. If the Bills have another disappointing playoff this year, I do think the talk to replace McDermott with the fans and media will grow louder. Who knows what Terry would do if it comes to that. Quote
4merper4mer Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 16 minutes ago, Gregg said: While Reid didn't win a Super Bowl with Eagles, he did come close to getting there. Didn't his teams go to the NFC Championship game multiple times. If the Bills have another disappointing playoff this year, I do think the talk to replace McDermott with the fans and media will grow louder. Who knows what Terry would do if it comes to that. I’m just asking the poster named after someone who is smart. He emphatically stated there is only one goal. He then called someone who had not achieved that goal “successful”. At least one of those statements is false. Quote
Einstein Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 32 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: How could Reid have been “far more successful” if the “only goal” is to win a Super Bowl and he hadn’t. He has one goal. He hasn’t reached it. How can someone else who also has only one goal be “less successful”? Perhaps if I speak frat-bro you’ll better understand. Let’s say you and your buddy are trying to get laid at a party. That’s the goal. He gets to 3rd base and you barely get a kiss. Neither of you reached your goal but your buddy was far more successful than you. McDermott got the kiss. Reid got to 3rd base (pre-Mahomes). 23 minutes ago, Gregg said: While Reid didn't win a Super Bowl with Eagles, he did come close to getting there. Yes. Three Championship games, and a Super Bowl appearance, if I remember correctly. 1 1 Quote
4merper4mer Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Einstein said: Perhaps if I speak frat-bro you’ll better understand. Let’s say you and your buddy are trying to get laid at a party. That’s the goal. He gets to 3rd base and you barely get a kiss. Neither of you reached your goal but your buddy was far more successful than you. McDermott got the kiss. Reid got to 3rd base (pre-Mahomes). Your statements about goals and success are demonstrably incorrect and by definition in conflict with each other. Bad analogies and projections of your youthful failures don’t change that. Are you now saying that if McDermott makes the Super Bowl or AFCCG and lost he should be retained? How about if these coaches fail to make conference championship: Salah Taylor Pederson Staley Reid Adding in McD there are six coaches in the AFC with franchise QBs. Maybe more depending on your assessment of Lamar, Tua, Deshaun, Wilson. I’m willing to bet you that no more than two coaches from that list make the AFCCG this year. Should the rest be summarily dismissed? Are you willing to bet that three or more of the coaches above will make the championship game this year? Are you willing to bet that two or more will make the Super Bowl this year? If so, let me know the amount. Quote
Einstein Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: Your statements about goals and success are demonstrably incorrect No, they are demonstrably correct. In your opinion, they are not irrefutably correct. 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: and by definition in conflict with each other. By no definition are they are in conflict. 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: Are you now saying that if McDermott makes the Super Bowl or AFCCG and lost he should be retained? I am not just *now* saying that. I have been saying that for months. The AFFCG is the bare minimum this year. The baseline. 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: How about if these coaches fail to make conference championship: Salah I would have fired him already. 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: Taylor He has been in the last 2 AFFCG and a Super Bowl. His leash is much longer. 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: Pederson He won a SB a few years ago. His leash is much longer. 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: Staley I would have fired him already. 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: Reid He has won 2 of the last 4 SB’s. Quote
4merper4mer Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Einstein said: No, they are demonstrably correct. In your opinion, they are not irrefutably correct. By no definition are they are in conflict. I am not just *now* saying that. I have been saying that for months. The AFFCG is the bare minimum this year. The baseline. I would have fired him already. He has been in the last 2 AFFCG and a Super Bowl. His leash is much longer. He won a SB a few years ago. His leash is much longer. I would have fired him already. He has won 2 of the last 4 SB’s. Are you from Canada? Quote
GoBills808 Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: Because Ben Johnson is cute? Or something? Look man at this point I don't even care to keep arguing about it all I'm saying is we have Reid-Mahomes-Kelce, Taylor-Burrow-Chase, and McDermott-Allen-Diggs and one of those isn't like the others 1 Quote
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