To all the Fire McDermott Posters, a follow up question..

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

No guarantees but the way they were playing that year I think they would have gotten by the Bengals. Allen and the offense were unstoppable. But we will never know.

 

They were but it might have taken another 40 point effort to get by the Bengals.  

[Augie]

20 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Gotta think a head coach would be salivating to have Allen as their QB. 

 

I don't think a coach's mindset takes or doesn't take a job based on fear of getting fired. 

 

I disagree to some extent. The opportunity to take over a good roster with a franchise QB would certainly be attractive. But to take the job after another guy got fired after a 14-4 season tells you they have a very short leash. It reeks of Browns style management. I know, they will negotiate a big fat contract and be financially cared for, but I’d have reservations about that management. 

[Doc Brown]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

They were but it might have taken another 40 point effort to get by the Bengals.  

Do you really think this defense with a fully healthy T. White, Hyde, D. Jones, Poyer, and Von Miller give up that many points to the Bengals?

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

I disagree to some extent. The opportunity to take over a good roster with a franchise QB would certainly be attractive. But to take the job after another guy got fired after a 14-4 season tells you they have a very short leash. It reeks of Browns style management. I know, they will negotiate a big fat contract and be financially cared for, but I’d have reservations about that management. 

 

7 years is a short leash?

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Do you really think this defense with a fully healthy T. White, Hyde, D. Jones, Poyer, and Von Miller give up that many points to the Bengals?

 

I was talking about 2021.  

 

This team now, I certainly hope not.

[Augie]

Just now, Gregg said:

 

7 years is a short leash?

 

Firing a coach after a 14-4 season, in that example, is a short leash. Most teams and fan bases would sign up for 14-4 all day long. 

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

Firing a coach after a 14-4 season, in that example, is a short leash. Most teams and fan bases would sign up for 14-4 all day long. 

 

While the regular season record has been very good the playoff failures have been frustrating especially the way they have lost. Andy Reid had a lot of success with the Eagles, but he could never win it all with them. Philly moved on from Reid. The Bills moving on from McDermott would be very similar.

[Doc Brown]

8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I was talking about 2021.  

 

This team now, I certainly hope not.

Got ya.  The Bengals offense wasn't quite as potent as the Chiefs in 2021 but it's a fair question.

[DrDawkinstein]

26 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I think a lot of people are under the assumption that if 13 seconds didn't happen, we automatically win the Super Bowl.

Are we guaranteeing that we beat Cincy?  

 

McDermott's seat will be grease pan hot I believe if he doesn't at least get to the AFCCG this year.  Not knowing right now who would replace him shouldn't really matter.  

 

I dont necessarily think the SB victory was automatic, but I do see that year as our easiest shot so far and possibly ever. Not saying we can't win one, but it will likely be tougher than 2021 Bills vs 2021 Bengals-Rams.

 

48 minutes ago, Augie said:

Here’s a thought I don’t think I’ve seen yet here: If you fire a coach after, say, a 14-4 season, how attractive is that job scenario for top HC candidates you hope will replace your 14-4 coach. I know I’d have reservations about following that up. 

 

Probably easier than during those drought years! I doubt a Bill Cowher is passing the buck to a Chan Gailey on an opportunity to be a part of this team.

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

While the regular season record has been very good the playoff failures have been frustrating especially the way they have lost. Andy Reid had a lot of success with the Eagles, but he could never win it all with them. Philly moved on from Reid. The Bills moving on from McDermott would be very similar.

 

So McD would go collect SB rings somewhere else?   😋

 

Chip Kelly replaced Reid and had a record barely over .500. I do like how everyone likes to reference Reid and the Eagles. Philly has a top notch organization right now, but it doesn’t always turn into SB appearances. Sometimes you are the Browns. 

[TheCockSportif]

40 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I think a lot of people are under the assumption that if 13 seconds didn't happen, we automatically win the Super Bowl.

Are we guaranteeing that we beat Cincy?  

 

McDermott's seat will be grease pan hot I believe if he doesn't at least get to the AFCCG this year.  Not knowing right now who would replace him shouldn't really matter.  

Correct.  I feel the same way about the MCM game from back in the day.  Many Bills fans (myself excluded) felt that the Bills would walk into the Super Bowl was it not for the moribund MCM game.

 

Not so until the games are played!

[Doc Brown]

29 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

7 years is a short leash?

He's saying whatever coach we hire if McDermott was fired would immediately be expected to win the Super Bowl.  How attractive would that job be compared to a team down in the gutter in need of a full rebuild with lots of draft capital (like the Texans this year)?

[TheCockSportif]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

He's saying whatever coach we hire if McDermott was fired would immediately be expected to win the Super Bowl.  How attractive would that job be compared to a team down in the gutter in need of a full rebuild with lots of draft capital (like the Texans this year)?

I agree with this 100%.

 

I remember the years (not on this board necessarily, but on others) where fans like us would have these debates about whether or not the Bills should make Cowher (or another competent coach of his ilk) a minority owner of this franchise so that they would coach here.  My how times have changed.  

[Gregg]

There was an article ranking the head coaches. McDermott came in at 11.

 

11. Sean McDermott, Buffalo Bills - McDermott has been the most successful -- and perhaps, only successful -- coach Buffalo has had since Marv Levy, but you get the feeling that the 49-year-old's seat might be a little warm. McDermott probably would get hired elsewhere immediately if dismissed by Buffalo, but if there's a third consecutive disappointing postseason exit in the midst of Josh Allen's peak, a new voice may be best for all involved. 

[GoBills808]

24 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

So McD would go collect SB rings somewhere else?   😋

 

Chip Kelly replaced Reid and had a record barely over .500. I do like how everyone likes to reference Reid and the Eagles. Philly has a top notch organization right now, but it doesn’t always turn into SB appearances. Sometimes you are the Browns. 

You're looking at it from the coach's perspective, tho. We are Bills fans so we can look at it from the perspective of the Eagles, who after getting rid of Reid have gone on to exactly the kind of success the Bills would like to achieve. It worked out perfectly for them.

[Royale with Cheese]

27 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I dont necessarily think the SB victory was automatic, but I do see that year as our easiest shot so far and possibly ever. Not saying we can't win one, but it will likely be tougher than 2021 Bills vs 2021 Bengals-Rams.

 

 

We need to be the reason why getting to the Super Bowl is hard.  We dictate the path mother******!

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, TheCockSportif said:

I agree with this 100%.

 

I remember the years (not on this board necessarily, but on others) where fans like us would have these debates about whether or not the Bills should make Cowher (or another competent coach of his ilk) a minority owner of this franchise so that they would coach here.  My how times have changed.  

 

The best candidates get to pick the best situations, or even sit out a year waiting for the right team and deal. Nobody wants to step into a bad management situation, it just makes the job too hard. The thought that we would consider a % of ownership shows how desperate we were. 

 

Any time you consider a new job, one question you need to ask is what happened to the last person in that position. Fire someone after a 14-4 season and I’d have to at least ask, is ownership reasonable? 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

We need to be the reason why getting to the Super Bowl is hard.  We dictate the path mother******!

I don't believe we are the tough out in the postseason by any stretch. It just feels like we lack an identity when the going gets tough and the decision making becomes reactive.

 

 

[newcam2012]

48 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Firing a coach after a 14-4 season, in that example, is a short leash. Most teams and fan bases would sign up for 14-4 all day long. 

Augie, I think you are getting a little lost in the win loss record here. Sure it's a great feat and praise should be given. 

 

Regarding the Bills, I think the bar has really changed. This team is in SB mode and has been for a few years now. Wouldn't you concur? 

 

Accepting that premise to a certain extent fairly or unfairly tends to minimize regular season accomplishments. 

 

I think going into the last few years very few Bills fans would be content with great regular season records only to fizzle out in the playoffs. I don't think any us us would have thought the Bills wouldn't even reach an AFC Championship game to go the SB. 

 

Sure it depends on your perspective, viewpoint, and how you measure success. 

 

With that said, the team has fallen short of its realistic goal to represent the AFC. Saying it's tough to do, they didn't get the breaks, and they had a great regular season record just falls flat in so many aspects. 

 

Look at the players reactions, expressions, comments, etc...after the years of disappointing playoff losses. It's hardly an expression of a successful season. It's hardly a ringing endorsement of a successful season.

 

No player, coach, or GM is out on the podium saying it was a great season. We were 14-4 and won the AFC East. Thank you fans; we see that as a great successful season. 

 

 We haven't seen that because it's falling short of their goal. The goal is getting to the SB. Winning the Super. At the very least advancing to the AFC conference championship game. None of that is an unrealistic goal.

 

Simply put we haven't seen a whole lot of progression in the playoffs. It's more disappointment under the McD regime. 

 

Perhaps, it's too soon to start calling for McD to go. I can see that logic although I still disagree. When is enough an enough? 

Edited June 19, 2023 by newcam2012

[Augie]

38 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

You're looking at it from the coach's perspective, tho. We are Bills fans so we can look at it from the perspective of the Eagles, who after getting rid of Reid have gone on to exactly the kind of success the Bills would like to achieve. It worked out perfectly for them.

 

They are a single team. They are the outlier. Keep that in mind. 

 

 

EDIT: Apparently at least a couple posters disagree. Are they not just one team? Are there a bunch of teams firing coaches on the way to SB’s? 

 

It seems getting TOO emotional can affect the way you see things. 

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Edited June 19, 2023 by Augie