To all the Fire McDermott Posters, a follow up question..

[hondo in seattle]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I'm talking more about the Micah Hydes 

 

The talent is there

 

I agree, there's talent.  There's enough talent to win a SB with a bit of luck.  Just not enough talent to guarantee a SB, even with good coaching.  

 

Each season, there are teams that are more talented than us - and more likely to win a Lombardi.   Both the teams in the SB had better rosters than the Bills, particularly if you look at the shape of the Bills when we entered the playoffs.  We were missing key guys.  Other key guys, notably our QB, were playing hurt.  Bad coaching didn't cost us a trophy.  

[PBF81]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

What type of issues? If they have a losing season there is a real possibility it all blows up and there’s a rebuild around Josh. We could see 6-7 new starters on defense and offense in 2024. In fact it does set up for major changes after next season.

 

Losing season?  LOL ... come on now.  They could put Allen on any one of the teams during the drought era and we wouldn't have a losing season.  

 

Is that your expectation, minimally, a winning season?  
 

As to looming issues, if you don't see any then that would explain any differences in our views.  

 

To start, I'd be willing to make a friendly wager that the whole Diggs issue revives itself and in no small way at some point during the season.  

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Losing season?  LOL ... come on now.  They could put Allen on any one of the teams during the drought era and we wouldn't have a losing season.  

 

Is that your expectation, minimally, a winning season?  
 

As to looming issues, if you don't see any then that would explain any differences in our views.  

 

To start, I'd be willing to make a friendly wager that the whole Diggs issue revives itself and in no small way at some point during the season.  

 

 

All I care about are wins and losses. 

[Doc]

12 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

Well, I can, I did, based upon other indicators.  But at this point what's the sense in arguing over it?  The season's going to play out one way or another, right?   No one's going anywhere before the season.  

 

Is anything that you or I say going to alter it?  

 

But allow me to ask, and hopefully you'll answer the question.  Suppose that it plays out that we go through the season again, make the playoffs whatever the circumstances, and lose either in the Wild-Card or Divisional Round by not playing our best and/or by losing to an inferior team.  

 

Will your stance then be the same?  

 

As to his play-calling on Defense, here's what I'm expecting, about what he did in Carolina, which was an average of I believe it was 17th ranked Scoring D and 13th ranked Yardage D on average, essentially perfectly average, and that with players like Kuechly, one of the league's best then, Davis, Johnson, Addison in his prime, Lotulelei when he gave a crap.  

 

That while also keeping an eye on the offense.  Should be interesting, perhaps I'll be pleasantly surprised, I hope so, but for purposes of forming my opinions I'm big on expecting what patterns and trends have revealed.  That's the only one we have to go by since everyone here says that to date it's all been Frasier.  

 

Sorry, should have added "reasonably."

[GoBills808]

12 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I agree, there's talent.  There's enough talent to win a SB with a bit of luck.  Just not enough talent to guarantee a SB, even with good coaching.  

 

Each season, there are teams that are more talented than us - and more likely to win a Lombardi.   Both the teams in the SB had better rosters than the Bills, particularly if you look at the shape of the Bills when we entered the playoffs.  We were missing key guys.  Other key guys, notably our QB, were playing hurt.  Bad coaching didn't cost us a trophy.  

I don't believe that the Bengals were more talented than us when we played

 

 

[PBF81]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

All I care about are wins and losses. 

 

You don't care about a championship?  

 

You'd rather go 14-3 and lose in the WC or D round than to go 9-8 and win it all?  

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

21 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m not trying to be that guy, but that’s not how it works with the Bills. I know a little bit about how things operate there.

 

Beane controls the 53. McDermott is in charge of coaching. I believe a lot of people are capable of the results that McDermott has produced with this roster. It’s Doug Collins. It’s Dwayne Casey. Do we need a new voice to take the next step? That’s my belief. I don’t believe that he is elevating, or holding back, the talent. He’s a caretaker. The Bills do not win BECAUSE of McDermott. That’s what the great coaches do. 

My question is if it comes down to choosing between a defensive or offensive asset, who wins the decision?

[PBF81]

5 minutes ago, Doc said:

Sorry, should have added "reasonably."

 

Well, I thought that I was being pretty reasonable.  LOL  

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Interesting. Ben Roethlisberger made 3 Super Bowls and won 2. All 3 Super Bowls he avoided playing Tom Brady and the Patriots in the playoffs. Blown out the 2 times he faced NE.
 

It’s interesting how legacy are made. 
 

How many people here would discredit McDermott if he makes a Super Bowl without beating Mahomes or Burrow. I know there’s some here that would. Sometimes you have to be lucky.

4 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

You don't care about a championship?  

 

You'd rather go 14-3 and lose in the WC or D round than to go 9-8 and win it all?  

 

 

Huh? Lol.

 

 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Interesting. Ben Roethlisberger made 3 Super Bowls and won 2. All 3 Super Bowls he avoided playing Tom Brady and the Patriots in the playoffs. Blown out the 2 times he faced NE.
 

It’s interesting how legacy are made. 
 

How many people here would discredit McDermott if he makes a Super Bowl without beating Mahomes or Burrow. I know there’s some here that would. Sometimes you have to be lucky.

Huh? Lol.

 

 

Nobody is going to discredit anybody if they win a Super Bowl, come on

[TheCockSportif]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Nobody is going to discredit anybody if they win a Super Bowl, come on

Correct.  McD to me == Dungy, and Dungy won one, and later parlayed that into a sweet network television gig.

 

Admittedly, I'm in the down on McD camp (after all of these years), but what it comes down to for me each season is: would I rather watch a McD season than a drought season.  And there's my answer.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, TheCockSportif said:

Correct.  McD to me == Dungy, and Dungy won one, and later parlayed that into a sweet network television gig.

 

Admittedly, I'm in the down on McD camp (after all of these years), but what it comes down to for me each season is: would I rather watch a McD season than a drought season.  And there's my answer.

Yes I agree obviously

 

But concurrently I would sit through 10 more drought seasons back to back for 1 Super Bowl

[TheCockSportif]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

But concurrently I would sit through 10 more drought seasons back to back for 1 Super Bowl

Really?!  I applaud you for this, and I'm not being sarcastic in the slightest.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, TheCockSportif said:

Really?!  I applaud you for this, and I'm not being sarcastic in the slightest.

Oh dead serious

 

We'll still have Allen so it will be fun to watch. Give me the championship 

[PBF81]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Huh? Lol.

 

Well, 9-8 plus 4 more wins is 13 wins.  Going 14-3, or better, winning a WC game and losing in the D round, or even winning in the D round and losing the CCG would result in more wins.  

 

I'm only asking because some that I've exchanged with here have stated plainly that they're quite content with merely winning seasons and winning the division regardless of what happens afterwards. 

 

I only bring it up because that would be a huge explanation as to peoples' differences in the way that they view our coaching.  

 

I'd take slinking into the playoffs at 9-8 as the 7th seed, taking third in the division, with a Super Bowl win over the Patriots' 2007 season any day.  

 

 

[T master]

I heard the guy on One Bills Live just the other day & he said we absolutely needed to fire McD if they didn't win the SB this year but i'm with you they seem to forget how long it took to get a good coach & how other teams like Philly did after they did what they are calling for. 

 

Pittsburgh is a prime example of keeping the coach for yrs . I for one ope they keep McD in place !! 

 

GO BILLS !!! 

[DrDawkinstein]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Yes I agree obviously

 

But concurrently I would sit through 10 more drought seasons back to back for 1 Super Bowl

 

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Oh dead serious

 

We'll still have Allen so it will be fun to watch. Give me the championship 

 

This is a very interesting ask/scenario. I certainly understand your viewpoint. A guaranteed Super Bowl championship is tough to deny or walk away from. Especially for our franchise and fanbase.

 

Guaranteed 1 Super Bowl, but followed by 10 years of no playoffs. That Super Bowl would be so sweet, I'd probably not even watch the season after and could coast on that victory for years. But...

 

Wasting the second half of Josh's career would be tough to sign up for tho.

 

Do we think Josh/Bills would win a Super Bowl regardless and maybe even TWO?

 

Kinda a one in the hand vs two in the bush type thing...

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

This is a very interesting ask/scenario. I certainly understand your viewpoint. A guaranteed Super Bowl championship is tough to deny or walk away from. Especially for our franchise and fanbase.

 

Guaranteed 1 Super Bowl, but followed by 10 years of no playoffs. That Super Bowl would be so sweet, I'd probably not even watch the season after and could coast on that victory for years. But...

 

Wasting the second half of Josh's career would be tough to sign up for tho.

 

Do we think Josh/Bills would win a Super Bowl regardless and maybe even TWO?

 

Kinda a one in the hand vs two in the bush type thing...

I have lost a lot of faith tbh

 

No SB (not even an appearance) on Allen's rookie deal... I think we are in the process of wasting his career as we speak 

[TheCockSportif]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

This is a very interesting ask/scenario. I certainly understand your viewpoint. A guaranteed Super Bowl championship is tough to deny or walk away from. Especially for our franchise and fanbase.

 

Guaranteed 1 Super Bowl, but followed by 10 years of no playoffs. That Super Bowl would be so sweet, I'd probably not even watch the season after and could coast on that victory for years. But...

 

Wasting the second half of Josh's career would be tough to sign up for tho.

 

Do we think Josh/Bills would win a Super Bowl regardless and maybe even TWO?

 

Kinda a one in the hand vs two in the bush type thing...

As a WNY native, I've followed the Bills for my entire life, unlike the Red Sox where I'm about 30 years in as a fan at this point.

 

I kinda understand the wont to win a SB ASAP, future consequences of potentially selling the farm be damned.  The Red Sox winning 2004 really took the edge off for me, and every season and success after that point has been gravy for a fan like me.

 

Having written that, and given the context of winning taking the edge off, I'd probably just stop watching the Bills should they Drought It Up for a lengthy period after a SB.  You figure that with myriad decades of *****ery by the Bills, wide right, basically losing SBs with impunity at one point, MSM, a further moribund franchise for 17 years for many, many reasons, the worst playoff game I ever saw against the Jags, 13 seconds, Damar, a team that was basically off for a lot of last season, the team wins a SB and it gets a lot tougher to ride the Viper for the hundredth time -- should they repeat the past over and over.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

18 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Well, 9-8 plus 4 more wins is 13 wins.  Going 14-3, or better, winning a WC game and losing in the D round, or even winning in the D round and losing the CCG would result in more wins.  

 

I'm only asking because some that I've exchanged with here have stated plainly that they're quite content with merely winning seasons and winning the division regardless of what happens afterwards. 

 

I only bring it up because that would be a huge explanation as to peoples' differences in the way that they view our coaching.  

 

I'd take slinking into the playoffs at 9-8 as the 7th seed, taking third in the division, with a Super Bowl win over the Patriots' 2007 season any day.  

 

 

Just get in is always my motto. You never know what can happen.

 

But if we’re talking firing a coach I have different criteria. If you get in and advance I’m not even thinking of firing the coach. 
 

Reasons to fire a head coach for me:

 

- Consecutive losing seasons

- Consecutive one and done playoffs 

- Some type of scandal 

- Franchise QB wants you fired