To all the Fire McDermott Posters, a follow up question..

[Kirby Jackson]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

What are you talking about? McDermott has final say over everything Bills related. What do you think Pegula actually does?

 

What exactly am I making up?

 

Best I can find.

 

 

Lol, you quote some random tweet from 2017. With all due respect, that is not the case. Beane controls the roster. 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

What about our 2 safeties?

 

You can't have KC, Reid, and Mahomes BEATEN in their own building, in the playoffs, to send you to the AFC Championship game, only to lose the game purely through inept coaching, and then conclude the problem is talent, not coaching.

 

 

We have All Pros at safety and WLB and Pro Bowlers elsewhere.

 

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

Chris Jones had 15.5 sacks last year, and has average 11.3 sacks over the last 5 years. That is an elite pash rusher. I want one of those! Hopefully we get more pressure this year, especially when Von comes back. 

He's not an edge tho, he's a DT. You can't have elite guys everywhere on the roster...if the coach needs a HOF DT plus an elite level edge plus All Pros in the secondary on top of an elite QB/WR combo he's the wrong coach.

[Augie]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

We have All Pros at safety and WLB and Pro Bowlers elsewhere.

 

He's not an edge tho, he's a DT. You can't have elite guys everywhere on the roster...if the coach needs a HOF DT plus an elite level edge plus All Pros in the secondary on top of an elite QB/WR combo he's the wrong coach.

 

Pressure is pressure. I actually PREFER it up the middle, it’s quicker and in the QB’s face. The question was do they have an elite pass rusher. The answer is yes. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Lol, you quote some random tweet from 2017. With all due respect, that is not the case. Beane controls the roster. 

That’s when they hired Beane. If you read slowly it’ll make more sense. When Beane was hired McDermott was the top dog. Everything went through him. Beane was in charge of putting together the 53 but McDermott still had the final say. Beane got more control as time went on.

 

Beane says it in an interview. He said McDermott started trusting him and his team more and more. 
 

 

[TampaBillsJunkie]

On 6/17/2023 at 10:56 PM, Donuts and Doritos said:

I hear this guy's available:

 

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I was really hoping you went this way. It's tradition.
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[GoBills808]

Just now, Augie said:

 

Pressure is pressure. I actually PREFER it up the middle, it’s quicker and in the QB’s face. The question was do they have an elite pass rusher. The answer is yes. 

OK. We can disagree I guess...he's clearly a top DT, but I would not refer to him as an elite pass rusher.

[Augie]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

OK. We can disagree I guess...he's clearly a top DT, but I would not refer to him as an elite pass rusher.

 

His 15.5 sacks last year seem to fall on my side of the discussion. Only 3 players had more, and two were by 1/2 sack. That is an elite lass rusher regardless of where he lines up. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, Augie said:

 

His 15.5 sacks last year seem to fall on my side of the discussion. Only 3 players had more, and two were by 1/2 sack. That is an elite lass rusher regardless of where he lines up. 

Yes, he has a great year for sacks last season. But on the whole of it I think of Chris Jones the first thing that comes to mind is great defensive tackle, not necessarily great pass rusher. I guess I don't think of many DTs outside Aaron Donald as pass rushers tbh. Like I would not consider Cam Heyward a great pass rusher even tho he ranks decently in sacks/yr

 

regardless there is no issue if you want to refer to Chris Jones as a great pass rusher

[Kirby Jackson]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

That’s when they hired Beane. If you read slowly it’ll make more sense. When Beane was hired McDermott was the top dog. Everything went through him. Beane was in charge of putting together the 53 but McDermott still had the final say. Beane got more control as time went on.

 

Beane says it in an interview. He said McDermott started trusting him and his team more and more. 
 

 

McDermott has ZERO control over Beane. If he didn’t trust him at all it wouldn’t matter. They each report to Pegula with Beane in charge of the 53. 
 

If you like McDermott, the coach, fine. If you like McDermott, the GM, you’re mistaken.

[GunnerBill]

36 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

The Chiefs don't have an elite player in their secondary, or an elite pass rusher.

 

Chris Jones.

33 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

What about our 2 safeties?

 

You can't have KC, Reid, and Mahomes BEATEN in their own building, in the playoffs, to send you to the AFC Championship game, only to lose the game purely through inept coaching, and then conclude the problem is talent, not coaching.

 

 

 

In that particular case it was coaching. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Chris Jones.

Yes we covered that

 

I was thinking of edge guys

[hondo in seattle]

26 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

We have All Pros at safety and WLB and Pro Bowlers elsewhere.

 

He's not an edge tho, he's a DT. You can't have elite guys everywhere on the roster...if the coach needs a HOF DT plus an elite level edge plus All Pros in the secondary on top of an elite QB/WR combo he's the wrong coach.

 

Roger Saffold was a Pro Bowler.  Having Pro Bowlers means nothing.  

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Roger Saffold was a Pro Bowler.  Having Pro Bowlers means nothing.  

I'm talking more about the Micah Hydes 

 

The talent is there

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I’m sorry, I don’t call for coaches that win their division and win playoff games every season to be fired.

 

The season hasn't started.  LOL  

 

But allow me to ask you, do you know with absolutely certainty that this season is going to go well?  

Do you see any potentially looming issues?  

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

McDermott has ZERO control over Beane. If he didn’t trust him at all it wouldn’t matter. They each report to Pegula with Beane in charge of the 53. 
 

If you like McDermott, the coach, fine. If you like McDermott, the GM, you’re mistaken.

In terms of Pegula he’s always said he looks at how Kraft built the Patriots. We all know Belichick ran the show there and basically hired his front office people. 2 of the Bills top front office guys Beane and Brian Gaine were names McDermott gave the Pegulas.

 

It’s my opinion that everything the Bills do runs through McDermott but the quote I gave you was from Vic Carucci who was very tied in at the time.

 

Not saying I like or dislike anyone. Like when 13 seconds happened and everyone was blaming Frazier. I blamed McDermott because there was no way he’d allow a situation that important happen without his input.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

We had our replacement in Daboll, always keep the offensive minded coach over the defensive minded one. 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

In terms of Pegula he’s always said he looks at how Kraft built the Patriots. We all know Belichick ran the show there and basically hired his front office people. 2 of the Bills top front office guys Beane and Brian Gaine were names McDermott gave the Pegulas.

 

It’s my opinion that everything the Bills do runs through McDermott but the quote I gave you was from Vic Carucci who was very tied in at the time.

 

Not saying I like or dislike anyone. Like when 13 seconds happened and everyone was blaming Frazier. I blamed McDermott because there was no way he’d allow a situation that important happen without his input.

I’m not trying to be that guy, but that’s not how it works with the Bills. I know a little bit about how things operate there.

 

Beane controls the 53. McDermott is in charge of coaching. I believe a lot of people are capable of the results that McDermott has produced with this roster. It’s Doug Collins. It’s Dwayne Casey. Do we need a new voice to take the next step? That’s my belief. I don’t believe that he is elevating, or holding back, the talent. He’s a caretaker. The Bills do not win BECAUSE of McDermott. That’s what the great coaches do. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, PBF81 said:

 

The season hasn't started.  LOL  

 

But allow me to ask you, do you know with absolutely certainty that this season is going to go well?  

Do you see any potentially looming issues?  

 

 

What type of issues? If they have a losing season there is a real possibility it all blows up and there’s a rebuild around Josh. We could see 6-7 new starters on defense and offense in 2024. In fact it does set up for major changes after next season.

[Gregg]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

In terms of Pegula he’s always said he looks at how Kraft built the Patriots. We all know Belichick ran the show there and basically hired his front office people. 2 of the Bills top front office guys Beane and Brian Gaine were names McDermott gave the Pegulas.

 

It’s my opinion that everything the Bills do runs through McDermott but the quote I gave you was from Vic Carucci who was very tied in at the time.

 

Not saying I like or dislike anyone. Like when 13 seconds happened and everyone was blaming Frazier. I blamed McDermott because there was no way he’d allow a situation that important happen without his input.

 

If the season goes south for any reason, I wonder if Terry fires McDermott but retains Beane or he cleans house and gets rid of both of them. In the latter scenario Terry would probably need a consultant to come in and help him hire the new GM/HC. Or Beane will lead the search for the next HC assuming they do move on from McDermott. I can't see Terry leading the search for the next management team. Despite being the owner, he is a football fan not a "football man". 

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

You can’t say he’s hit a plateau/ceiling until you see how the season plays out with him taking over play-calling duties.  I realize it’s the slow season right now and we need something to talk about. 

 

Well, I can, I did, based upon other indicators.  But at this point what's the sense in arguing over it?  The season's going to play out one way or another, right?   No one's going anywhere before the season.  

 

Is anything that you or I say going to alter it?  

 

But allow me to ask, and hopefully you'll answer the question.  Suppose that it plays out that we go through the season again, make the playoffs whatever the circumstances, and lose either in the Wild-Card or Divisional Round by not playing our best and/or by losing to an inferior team.  

 

Will your stance then be the same?  

 

As to his play-calling on Defense, here's what I'm expecting, about what he did in Carolina, which was an average of I believe it was 17th ranked Scoring D and 13th ranked Yardage D on average, essentially perfectly average, and that with players like Kuechly, one of the league's best then, Davis, Johnson, Addison in his prime, Lotulelei when he gave a crap.  

 

That while also keeping an eye on the offense.  Should be interesting, perhaps I'll be pleasantly surprised, I hope so, but for purposes of forming my opinions I'm big on expecting what patterns and trends have revealed.  That's the only one we have to go by since everyone here says that to date it's all been Frasier.