TheBrownBear Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, newcam2012 said: I would pick Burrow over Allen when the game's on the line. Just my opinion as a football fan. I'm sure many will disagree. I could point to Burrow in the playoffs and his SB.appearence as a counter. For me the QB rankings are: 1: Mahomes by a huge margin. 2: Burrow edges out Allen. 3: Allen clear 3rd. Physical Talent only considered Allen is the most gifted in the NFL. I think all three QBs are great and nearly interchangeable. It's hard to argue with Mahomes' results, so he deserves the top spot. They've all had to overcome some less than ideal offensive talent deficiencies, but I'd say Josh was the least set up for success from a collective talent standpoint. Mahomes has Reid, Kelce (and had Hill (which are tremendous, almost hard to overstate advantages)), but has never had a great running back and had middling talent at WR last year. Burrow has the best receiving corps in the league, but largely played behind a garbage offensive line until last season. Josh has always played behind mediocre offensive lines and has only had the fortune of one star offensive piece in Diggs. In short, I like all of the QBs and would excitedly take any of them on my team. Mahomes has dominated the narrative so far, but they're all young and we are only about a third of the way through the story. Edited July 21, 2023 by TheBrownBear 1 Quote
newcam2012 Posted July 21, 2023 Author Posted July 21, 2023 46 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: I think all three QBs are great and nearly interchangeable. It's hard to argue with Mahomes' results, so he deserves the top spot. They've all had to overcome some less than ideal offensive talent deficiencies, but I'd say Josh was the least set up for success from a collective talent standpoint. Mahomes has Reid, Kelce (and had Hill (which are tremendous, almost hard to overstate advantages)), but has never had a great running back and had middling talent at WR last year. Burrow has the best receiving corps in the league, but largely played behind a garbage offensive line until last season. Josh has always played behind mediocre offensive lines and has only had the fortune of one star offensive piece in Diggs. In short, I like all of the QBs and would excitedly take any of them on my team. Mahomes has dominated the narrative so far, but they're all young and we are only about a third of the way through the story. No doubt you can't go wrong with any of them. 3 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But as a thought experiment let me ask this. Game is on the line. You get to choose. Do you take Allen playing in the Bengals offense with their weapons/coaching or Burrow in Buffalo's offense with their weapons/coaching? I take Tom Brady. 1 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 40 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: No doubt you can't go wrong with any of them. I take Tom Brady. That wasn't the question, however. Quote
Dr.Sack Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 Conversely we could say the investments / return of injured players to the OL, TE, DL, and safeties along with McDermott ascending to DC means the Bills are a favorite to be a better team in 2023. 1 Quote
PatsFanNH Posted July 22, 2023 Posted July 22, 2023 On 7/20/2023 at 12:55 PM, NewEra said: Meanwhile Vegas >>>> MOST people. Vegas has us as the 2nd favorite in the AFC. but do you Most every team falls short when you can only predict one SB winner. luckily for us, your (not anyones) opinion doesn’t mean Jack. Lol Somehow you got your feelings hurt by me saying the Bills are a top 4 team. Oh and of course it’s my opinion because I am thinking the Bengals are going push the chips all in while they still have all those rookie contracts to try and win 1 SB before they will have to break the group up. The Bills have a damn good team, sadly the AFC has something like 6 teams that could contend for a championship. (Bills, Bengals,KC, Baltimore, Jets, Phins, ) with a few up and coming teams (Jags,Chargers, Browns). So this isn’t any easy gauntlet for any team. 1 Quote
BigDingus Posted July 22, 2023 Posted July 22, 2023 Convenient he didn't give a predication on WHO would win the AFC East, only that it wouldn't be the Bills. That's a pretty easy bet, just given the odds. You're essentially get 3 shots at being correct, and only 1 being wrong. It's like saying "The Chiefs won't win the Super Bowl this year!" and acting like it's a bold prediction. You're taking the field of 31 teams vs just the 1 team. Obviously, the odds are in your favor, even if KC is the best team in the league. 1 1 Quote
Eastport bills Posted July 22, 2023 Posted July 22, 2023 On 6/16/2023 at 8:24 AM, gonzo1105 said: The Bills are the favorites but I can see them losing the division Losing the division to Tua or a 39 year old Rogers.who is operating behind an O-line that NFL analysts think is below average, is unlikely. Remember, we are the team with the best QB and the best defense. Why would you think these teams could win the division? The Jets have a frightening schedule to start the season. Let’s see their record thru 6 games and then start anointing them. Quote
gonzo1105 Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 On 7/22/2023 at 5:57 PM, Eastport bills said: Losing the division to Tua or a 39 year old Rogers.who is operating behind an O-line that NFL analysts think is below average, is unlikely. Remember, we are the team with the best QB and the best defense. Why would you think these teams could win the division? The Jets have a frightening schedule to start the season. Let’s see their record thru 6 games and then start anointing them. Okay lol. I said the Bills are the favorites and they should be but our schedule is very tough. The Dolphins played the Bills tough 3 games and the Jets split with the Bills last year. Your homerism is showing if you don’t think there is a possibility the Bills could lose the AFC East Quote
Eastport bills Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 9 hours ago, gonzo1105 said: Okay lol. I said the Bills are the favorites and they should be but our schedule is very tough. The Dolphins played the Bills tough 3 games and the Jets split with the Bills last year. Your homerism is showing if you don’t think there is a possibility the Bills could lose the AFC East Homerism, dismissing teams with lesser rosters and QBs that are either 1st year with their team or one concussion away from being out of football. I don’t think so. A possibility is a nebulous, ridiculous standard for making a calculated prognostication. Quote
Gregg Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 On 7/22/2023 at 5:57 PM, Eastport bills said: Losing the division to Tua or a 39 year old Rogers.who is operating behind an O-line that NFL analysts think is below average, is unlikely. Remember, we are the team with the best QB and the best defense. Why would you think these teams could win the division? The Jets have a frightening schedule to start the season. Let’s see their record thru 6 games and then start anointing them. The Dolphins have an excellent roster. They could have won any of the 3 games they played against the Bills. Granted the Bills shot themselves in the foot in the playoff game which allowed them with a scrub QB to get back in the game, but that 4th quarter everybody was nervous. Mike White is a decent backup QB if Tua gets hurt which he probably will. The Jets have a legit D. Both games against them were extremely hard fought and physical. Expect both games to be like that this year. Even if Rodgers has declined, he is still way better than Wilson, White or Flacco. The Bills will be in a 3-way fight for the division with the Dolphins and Jets. Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 Who cares about the AFC East. Bills going 10-7. Wins Super Bowl as a 6th seed. Beats Jacksonville, KC, and Baltimore in AFC playoffs. Beats San Francisco in the Super Bowl. Quote
Gregg Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Who cares about the AFC East. Bills going 10-7. Wins Super Bowl as a 6th seed. Beats Jacksonville, KC, and Baltimore in AFC playoffs. Beats San Francisco in the Super Bowl. Considering the Bills are 0-4 on the road in the playoffs with McDermott I would hope the Bills are higher than the 6th seed. Quote
John from Riverside Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 In the immortal words of Ric Flair To be the man, you gotta beat the man 1 Quote
Behindenemylines Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 18 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: In the immortal words of Ric Flair To be the man, you gotta beat the man Wooooooo! Quote
Eastport bills Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, Gregg said: The Dolphins have an excellent roster. They could have won any of the 3 games they played against the Bills. Granted the Bills shot themselves in the foot in the playoff game which allowed them with a scrub QB to get back in the game, but that 4th quarter everybody was nervous. Mike White is a decent backup QB if Tua gets hurt which he probably will. The Jets have a legit D. Both games against them were extremely hard fought and physical. Expect both games to be like that this year. Even if Rodgers has declined, he is still way better than Wilson, White or Flacco. The Bills will be in a 3-way fight for the division with the Dolphins and Jets. The 1st Miami game was played in conditions as you remember where we had our bench in 100 plus degrees and blazing sun. We were fortunate no one died of heat stroke. The 2nd game in Buffalo was a tough win but when Josh had to produce, he marched right down the field twice.The 3rd game was part of the problem this team had against Cinn. We were spent after all we went through. Those games were not indicative of this team’s talent. The Jets should be better, but with our additions on defense and at O-line, receiver and RBs, we should be improved as well. Remember, we have the best QB and Tua and Rogers have real physical challenges. Tua with injuries in his history and Rogers, being 39 and in his 1st year in a new system. Do fans think KC will be in a dog fight because the Broncos and Chargers will be much better? Quote
Gregg Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Eastport bills said: The 1st Miami game was played in conditions as you remember where we had our bench in 100 plus degrees and blazing sun. We were fortunate no one died of heat stroke. The 2nd game in Buffalo was a tough win but when Josh had to produce, he marched right down the field twice.The 3rd game was part of the problem this team had against Cinn. We were spent after all we went through. Those games were not indicative of this team’s talent. The Jets should be better, but with our additions on defense and at O-line, receiver and RBs, we should be improved as well. Remember, we have the best QB and Tua and Rogers have real physical challenges. Tua with injuries in his history and Rogers, being 39 and in his 1st year in a new system. Do fans think KC will be in a dog fight because the Broncos and Chargers will be much better? KC will probably win the division. I keep hoping the Chargers step up and challenge them. On paper they have a team that can do it and the games between them are usually close. Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Gregg said: Considering the Bills are 0-4 on the road in the playoffs with McDermott I would hope the Bills are higher than the 6th seed. Oh please. 0-2 when they just started this run and 0-2 vs the Chiefs. The last game we all know was a great game that could have gone either way. The Bills are just fine on the road. Quote
Gregg Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Oh please. 0-2 when they just started this run and 0-2 vs the Chiefs. The last game we all know was a great game that could have gone either way. The Bills are just fine on the road. I would rather they get at least one home game. The AFC is loaded this year. Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Gregg said: I would rather they get at least one home game. The AFC is loaded this year. It doesn’t matter. Seriously doesn’t. Said it last year. Didn’t care about home field. I think the Bills offense is better on the road but the defense might be better at home. Edited July 24, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote
DeltaDigital Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 with the schedule, and the division vastly improved, it's a coin flip. Quote
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