The Frankish Reich Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: https://www.barrons.com/news/biden-says-ukraine-will-join-nato-5ec5451d This is the entire ***** problem This is not how you achieve a cease fire Sometimes you have to set out a hardline starting point in order to have leverage in any subsequent bargaining. Imagine the opposite: "We are willing to consider no further NATO expansions." Would Putin take this as a "Hey, I guess I accomplished my goal. Maybe I'll keep that idea in my back pocket since now we know the West is willing to back down once the bombs fly." Or would he take this as "I guess we can retreat now and come to the bargaining table." Edited July 24, 2023 by The Frankish Reich
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 14 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Sometimes you have to set out a hardline starting point in order to have leverage in any subsequent bargaining. Imagine the opposite: "We are willing to consider no further NATO expansions." Would Putin take this as a "Hey, I guess I accomplished my goal. Maybe I'll keep that idea in my back pocket since now we know the West is willing to back down once the bombs fly." Or would he take this as "I guess we can retreat now and come to the bargaining table." Sure.. you can pick a side on how you feel about the facts… but this is a clear distinction in foreign policy. If you are a war monger, are ok with the death and destruction or happy to profit from war, then you probably like Biden’s foreign policy on this topic. Trump, because he was less obsequious to NATO, and clearly volatile, was less threatening to Russia’s neighbors becoming allied with foes. 2
The Frankish Reich Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Trump, because he was less obsequious to NATO, and clearly volatile, was less threatening to Russia’s neighbors becoming allied with foes. The pro-Trump talking points are getting a bit convoluted. Doesn't this amount to "there would have been no war in Ukraine if Trump was still President because Trump would have capitulated to Putin's threatened aggression." 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: The pro-Trump talking points are getting a bit convoluted. Doesn't this amount to "there would have been no war in Ukraine if Trump was still President because Trump would have capitulated to Putin's threatened aggression." Not pro trump… Bidens rhetoric mattered and their foreign policy Re: NATO was different. 2
Doc Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 9 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Not pro trump… Bidens rhetoric mattered and their foreign policy Re: NATO was different. The talking point that Trump was trying to destroy NATO has been drilled-into their heads. It won't dislodge easily. But you summed it up perfectly. 1
BillStime Posted July 25, 2023 Author Posted July 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, Doc said: The talking point that Trump was trying to destroy NATO has been drilled-into their heads. It won't dislodge easily. But you summed it up perfectly. JC - Should we just highlight Trump’s own talking points on NATO? Idiots
All_Pro_Bills Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, BillStime said: What "top secrets"? The Coyote lights the fuse on the rocket and hides behind the rocks waiting for the Roadrunner to run past? None of these clowns have any knowledge of any specifics. That includes all the clowns here too. Edited July 28, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills 1
Westside Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 If they manage to finally get Trump out of the way, what’s to say they won’t attack every other Republican candidate the same way since it worked against Trump? Is this the new playbook for the left? Attack and imprison every R candidate? I find it hard to believe once Trump is gone they will stop witch hunting every other candidate?! 1 1
John from Riverside Posted August 3, 2023 Posted August 3, 2023 On 7/28/2023 at 9:55 AM, BillStime said: Not a fan of the Clintons But hasn’t the Bill Clinton thing I’ll bet been exhausted. The tapes that he kept in his sock drawer we’re not classified documents they were his own personal ones presidents are allowed to keep their personal documents. 1
SoCal Deek Posted August 3, 2023 Posted August 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: Someone is afraid I absolutely can’t stand Graham but I’m not sure what you’d expect him to say. 1
BillStime Posted August 3, 2023 Author Posted August 3, 2023 6 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Not a fan of the Clintons But hasn’t the Bill Clinton thing I’ll bet been exhausted. The tapes that he kept in his sock drawer we’re not classified documents they were his own personal ones presidents are allowed to keep their personal documents. Just more bs from the master bulllllshittrr but it’s like porn for the cult.
John from Riverside Posted August 3, 2023 Posted August 3, 2023 18 minutes ago, BillStime said: Someone is afraid I just don’t get Lindsey Graham after the January 6 thing he had this moment of clarity where you really thought that he might actually see Trump for what he is and then he fell back under the spill He’s weak
BillStime Posted August 3, 2023 Author Posted August 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I just don’t get Lindsey Graham after the January 6 thing he had this moment of clarity where you really thought that he might actually see Trump for what he is and then he fell back under the spill He’s weak Kompromat
Tommy Callahan Posted August 3, 2023 Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) by cult they mean the ones with entire devices full of picture and memes of the orange dude. ^^^^^^ that make comment after comment about the orange dude. Search out content about the orange dude just to repeat on message boards. and blindly follow and support anything blue? Edited August 3, 2023 by Chris farley 2
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