Buffalo Sabres and NHL 2023-2024

[Buffalo716]

6 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

i think he’s talking about 2015-2020 ish with the old core like Eichel, Reinhart, Nylander, etc. It is true that the Sabres had the #1 ranked prospect pool multiple times during the previous rebuild and it never led to winning.

 

 

However, I do think this time is different. Their pipeline this time is sooooo deep. Way deeper than any time in the last decade or more. And it actually seems like the kids are developing this time. Plus, they’re already having success in the NHL.

 

I am really looking forward to this season!

Eichel and Reinhart almost came straight to the NHL... eichel did Reinhardt took one year

 

They really weren't part of our minor league pipeline system.. Reinhardt for like a year 

 

Sabers had some good young talent coming straight up.. but our minor league pipeline was absolutely still pretty bare even in 2016... Certainly not the best in the NHL

 

It's nothing like today.. where we have future top 6 forwards in the OHL and WHL and in Rochester

 

We didn't have that in 2016... We had two 19 year olds who were supposed to be studs.. that's about it

Edited September 18, 2023 by Buffalo716

[PromoTheRobot]

8 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

i think he’s talking about 2015-2020 ish with the old core like Eichel, Reinhart, Nylander, etc. It is true that the Sabres had the #1 ranked prospect pool multiple times during the previous rebuild and it never led to winning.

 

 

However, I do think this time is different. Their pipeline this time is sooooo deep. Way deeper than any time in the last decade or more. And it actually seems like the kids are developing this time. Plus, they’re already having success in the NHL.

 

I am really looking forward to this season!

 

LOL, all those prospects were traded away by Tim Murray. Except for Brandon Hagel. Jason Botterill wasn't impressed and let him walk. I wonder how he's doing now?

 

 

Oh, and this....

 

 

[BillsFan4]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

Eichel and Reinhart almost came straight to the NHL... eichel did Reinhardt took one year

 

They really weren't part of our minor league pipeline system.. Reinhardt for like a year 

 

Sabers had some good young talent coming straight up.. but our minor league pipeline was absolutely still pretty bare even in 2016... Certainly not the best in the NHL

 

It's nothing like today.. where we have future top 6 forwards in the OHL and WHL and in Rochester

 

We didn't have that in 2016... We had two 19 year olds who were supposed to be studs.. that's about it

The Sabres still had the #1 prospect pool ranking in 2014/15, 2018 and numerous top 3 rankings too.

 

https://theathletic.com/459786/2018/08/30/pronman-2018-19-nhl-farm-system-rankings/?amp=1
 

 

But I agree, this time is different. They have an insane amount of good prospects right now. And it’s actually transferring to the ice this time. Prospects are developing, both in the AHL and NHL. 

 

I wasn’t disagreeing with your post BTW. I was just pointing out that to a casual Buffalo Sabres fan who hasn’t been paying attention to this latest version of the rebuild, I can see why a top prospect pool doesn’t mean a whole lot to them.

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

The Sabres still had the #1 prospect pool ranking in 2014/15, 2018 and numerous top 3 rankings too.

 

https://theathletic.com/459786/2018/08/30/pronman-2018-19-nhl-farm-system-rankings/?amp=1
 

 

But I agree, this time is different. They have an insane amount of good prospects right now. And it’s actually transferring to the ice this time. Prospects are developing, both in the AHL and NHL. 

 

I wasn’t disagreeing with your post BTW. I was just pointing out that to a casual Buffalo Sabres fan who hasn’t been paying attention to this latest version of the rebuild, I can see why a top prospect pool doesn’t mean a whole lot to them.

Well to be fair 2018 is when we drafted Dahlin.. which is when I said our pipeline actually changed.. we've became loaded from 18 to 23

 

Our pipeline in 2014-2015 was barren.. besides Jack eichel and Sam Reinhart.. which shot us to the top of the rankings because we had two projected superstars

 

But they started playing in Buffalo at 19 years old ... They never really were a part of a pipeline... They were thrown right to the big leagues..  they weren't seasoned in the minor leagues... The difference between 2014 and 2023... Is we have bona fide top 6 forwards in the minor league system.. we didn't have that outside of Jack and Sam... Who basically came right away

 

Take Reinhardt and eichel off the prospect list... And it's not great

 

I think those two players greatly influenced the rankings... But we didn't have much outside of them in the pipeline 

 

Today... We literally have 10 plus guys who will be NHL players from the OHL WHL and Rochester 

 

 

Edited September 18, 2023 by Buffalo716

[BillsFan4]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Well to be fair 2018 is when we drafted Dahlin.. which is when I said our pipeline actually changed.. we've became loaded from 18 to 23

 

Our pipeline in 2014-2015 was barren.. besides Jack eichel and Sam Reinhart.. which shot us to the top of the rankings because we had two projected superstars

 

But they started playing in Buffalo at 19 years old ... They never really were a part of a pipeline... They were thrown right to the big leagues..  they weren't seasoned in the minor leagues... The difference between 2014 and 2023... Is we have bona fide top 6 forwards in the minor league system.. we didn't have that outside of Jack and Sam

 

Take Reinhardt and eichel off the prospect list... And it's horrible

Yes, I agree. They’ve never had a prospect pool like this since the rebuild started in 2013. They have good prospects in juniors, the AHL, Russia, Europe… it’s crazy!

 

I was just saying that the #1 prospect pool ranking (the ranking itself) probably doesn’t mean much to Sabres fans that haven’t really been following the team lately like pine barrens.

[Simon]

1 minute ago, BillsFan4 said:

I was just saying that the #1 prospect pool ranking (the ranking itself) probably doesn’t mean much to Sabres fans that haven’t really been following the team lately like pine barrens.

 

This is true as I am sort of in the same boat.

I recognize the potential and think it's going to be for realz this time, but I am not buying in until I see it on the ice.

 

fwiw, yesterday I just convinced DTV to cut my bill nearly in half or I was cancelling because they lost Sunday Ticket. The only reason I even considered keeping it was because it's the only place I can get Sabres games down here in Western Pennsyltucky. 

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

Yes, I agree. They’ve never had a prospect pool like this since the rebuild started in 2013. They have good prospects in juniors, the AHL, Russia, Europe… it’s crazy!

 

I was just saying that the #1 prospect pool ranking (the ranking itself) probably doesn’t mean much to Sabres fans that haven’t really been following the team lately like pine barrens.

We have crazy good europeaners ! Talent in the OHL, WHL, even D1

 

They are stacked 

[QCity]

...and Savoie gets hurt in the 1st period.

 

 

[May Day 10]

20 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

Yes, I agree. They’ve never had a prospect pool like this since the rebuild started in 2013. They have good prospects in juniors, the AHL, Russia, Europe… it’s crazy!

 

I was just saying that the #1 prospect pool ranking (the ranking itself) probably doesn’t mean much to Sabres fans that haven’t really been following the team lately like pine barrens.

 

At one point, we had an embarrassment of riches, especially on the blue line.  Myers (still very young, but not a prospect at that time), Zadorov, Ristolainen, Pysyk, McNabb were all blue chip D 1st Round level prospects.  There were also guys like Compher and Lemieux who were highly rated around that time... plus Grigorenko and Girgensons drafted in the first round, not to mention the promise of the upcoming tank picks.  They also possessed a ton of draft capital at that point.  Under Murray, they squandered much of that and also failed to develop, and lost organizational assets at pennies on the dollar. 

 

Now, they have the organizational/prospect depth at forward (while also have top 3 young NHL defenseman).  It looks like they are developing well.  I think they hit a grand slam on Benson falling to them.

Still need to put it all together and get over the hump to be a relevant NHL franchise.  

 

 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

21 hours ago, Simon said:

 

This is true as I am sort of in the same boat.

I recognize the potential and think it's going to be for realz this time, but I am not buying in until I see it on the ice.

 

fwiw, yesterday I just convinced DTV to cut my bill nearly in half or I was cancelling because they lost Sunday Ticket. The only reason I even considered keeping it was because it's the only place I can get Sabres games down here in Western Pennsyltucky. 

FYI.  Here in VT, with the exception of games against the Bruins (NESN) or Rangers (MSG) which are blacked out, I get all of the Sabres games on ESPN+.

[Fleezoid]

17 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

FYI.  Here in VT, with the exception of games against the Bruins (NESN) or Rangers (MSG) which are blacked out, I get all of the Sabres games on ESPN+.

 

I have ESPN+ as well. It's a pretty good deal. I'm in Tampa, so I get all the games except Lightning games. Even Tampa games played in Buffalo are blacked out, which is stupid. 

[Gregg]

Preseason less than a week away. First game at Washington 9/25. First home game 9/27 vs Philadelphia. 

[Simon]

17 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

FYI.  Here in VT, with the exception of games against the Bruins (NESN) or Rangers (MSG) which are blacked out, I get all of the Sabres games on ESPN+.

 

I should amend my post to insert the word "free".

I don't intend on keeping DTV for all eternity so this might be a viable option. Thanks!

 

P.S. Does it matter how far you are from Bos/NY resulting in blackouts? I'm right on the very edge of the Erie broadcast zone which is why I get Sabres games even though I'm much closer to Pittsburgh than Buffalo. Although, all my networks are P'burgh affiliates so I don't know if that is what decides my fate re: blackouts.

[DrDawkinstein]

19 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

FYI.  Here in VT, with the exception of games against the Bruins (NESN) or Rangers (MSG) which are blacked out, I get all of the Sabres games on ESPN+.

 

1 hour ago, Fleezoid said:

 

I have ESPN+ as well. It's a pretty good deal. I'm in Tampa, so I get all the games except Lightning games. Even Tampa games played in Buffalo are blacked out, which is stupid. 

 

Yeah, ESPN+ coverage of the NHL has been amazing. I think I caught almost every Sabres game last year, or could have if I wanted to. Looking forward to this season as well.

[Doc]

Having Verizon and getting Disney+, Hulu and ESPN+ included has been great.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Gregg said:

Preseason less than a week away. First game at Washington 9/25. First home game 9/27 vs Philadelphia. 

 

They play at 2pm while the Bills are playing at 1pm. Who made that decision?

[Gregg]

[Jauronimo]

4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

Yeah, ESPN+ coverage of the NHL has been amazing. I think I caught almost every Sabres game last year, or could have if I wanted to. Looking forward to this season as well.

Same.  ESPN+ has nearly every game. The only exceptions are NHLNet broadcasts and the occasional Stars game because some ####### thinks Houston is in the Dallas market.

[Simon]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

 some ####### thinks Houston is in the Dallas market.

 

 

[CountDorkula]

https://x.com/ben_mathewson/status/1704643454234493221?s=46&t=aPpesQ9OFgU8cA3wnTdNeA

 

The Ducks are being choosy [with Zegras]? They want to break it? I heard there's a team looking that way and it's the Buffalo Sabres. The Sabers have to make the playoffs this year and you solve your problem by bringing Zegras,” the journalist told JiC.

 

 

um what?