Diggs NOT at mandatory minicamp, McDermott "very concerned" DAY 2 UPDATE: He's back

[HappyDays]

Rapaport is echoing the more credible reports that Diggs was unhappy with his target share in the offense last year. Not with us failing to land Hopkins like that fake sources loser in NYC made up.

[BillsVet]

2 hours ago, Mango said:

 

You are moving the goal posts. 

My OP that you were responding to was that being correct doesn't excuse bad behavior. 

You said I was obtuse and to not compare it to desk jobs with low expectations. 

I said I wasn't, I am pretty qualified to talk about high level team building and construction. 

Now you want me to explain Diggs beef. 

I fully stand by the fact that being "right" is rarely a good excuse for being a distraction in team sport. Especially on high level teams competing for world championships. 

 

Diggs' dissent needs to be understood and no one really knows right now what it's all about.    

 

That is, unless individual players are always wrong and management is always correct.  And if that's the case you are obtuse.  McD and his staff should always be under the microscope right along with players.  

 

As for team building, I thought McD's "process" solved all team ills.  After all, this is the franchise that settled on Diggs when Antonio Brown made it know he wouldn't play in Buffalo.  So, roster construction often defers to pure talent.    

 

 

[Nihilarian]

What I believe is this all boils down to what happened in that Cincinnati playoff loss with Diggs.  The man did have 10 targets, which was 3 more than Knox and 2 more than Singletary. 

 

Allen went 25 of 42 for 264 yards, 0, 1 INT.  Sacked only once but was under pressure all game...running for his life! Almost as much pressure as the Dolphins put on Allen the week previous only with far less blitzing. 

 

Knox went 5 of 7 for 65 yards. (Should have seen more targets!)

Singletary went 5 of 8 for 37 yards.

Diggs went 4 of 10 targets for 35 yards. (Now, those are some piss poor numbers!)

Davis went 2 of 4 for 34 yards.

Beasley went 3 of 4 for 33 yards.

Lil Dirty went 2 of 2 for 10 yards.

Shakir went 2 of 2 for 40 yards.
Morris went 1 of 2 for 6 yards.

Hines went 1 of 1 for 4 yards. 

James Cook saw no passes. 

 

ToP 33:54 vs 26:06 Bills

 

My thoughts are the Bengals had the Buffalo offense scouted perfectly and played them extremely well in shutting down that vaunted Bills passing offense. The game was honestly lost in the trenches on both sides of the ball. The Bengals seemed to run well...34 rushes, 172 yards, 1 TD. Mixon had 20 carries for 105 yards, 1 TD. 

 

Bills fans were not used to seeing the Buffalo Bills losing like that in the snow and cold. Was it a bad game plan on both sides of the ball? 

 

I can only hope that the Buffalo coaches fix this... sh**... because the entire NFL world watched that game and will attempt to copy what Cincinnati did in that game.

[JESSEFEFFER]

18 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I spoke to someone earlier today who has a decent track record of being reliable who said Diggs's issue is absolutely playcalling. Felt like he was used as a decoy too often 2nd half of last season. Was open and still the ball didn't go to him. 

 

I think this may be it but I would suggest a different causation than the play call.  Stefon knows how the offense is designed, how Josh is coached to run it, how he should be used within any particular game plan, whether he is legit open or not and if the ball should come to him.  Half way through the season, Josh injures his elbow and the offensive line has periods of poor pass protection, yet Josh holds the ball, targets deeper routes to players not named Diggs and the offense seems less efficient and becomes more boom or bust.  Dorsey is unable to bend Josh's play style to fit what is actually designed and Diggs is frustrated by it.  Thus Josh saying he personally needs to be a better QB and teammate.  In essence, apologizing for being stubborn.  So, is it Dorsey play calls or is it Josh's deviation from them in his decision making?

[Reed83HOF]

 

[julian]

13 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

 

I think this may be it but I would suggest a different causation than the play call.  Stefon knows how the offense is designed, how Josh is coached to run it, how he should be used within any particular game plan, whether he is legit open or not and if the ball should come to him.  Half way through the season, Josh injures his elbow and the offensive line has periods of poor pass protection, yet Josh holds the ball, targets deeper routes to players not named Diggs and the offense seems less efficient and becomes more boom or bust.  Dorsey is unable to bend Josh's play style to fit what is actually designed and Diggs is frustrated by it.  Thus Josh saying he personally needs to be a better QB and teammate.  In essence, apologizing for being stubborn.  So, is it Dorsey play calls or is it Josh's deviation from them in his decision making?

Wasn’t it widely reported the Elbow injury limited his short and mid range accuracy ? He was limited with arm angle variation.

 

 Maybe I’m remembering incorrectly.

Edited June 22, 2023 by julian

[Big Blitz]

5 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

Yea unfortunately I agree.  Something is wrong.  
 

From the final game.  To Diggs silence all off season.  To Diggs not showing up er given permission to leave after TWO DAYS of heated meetings.  To Allen twisting himself into a pretzel to almost defend Diggs and say how much he loves him.  
 

Sorry but you don’t pull all this crap over freaking targets.  That’s ridiculously easy to address and fix.  

[newcam2012]

20 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Yea unfortunately I agree.  Something is wrong.  
 

From the final game.  To Diggs silence all off season.  To Diggs not showing up er given permission to leave after TWO DAYS of heated meetings.  To Allen twisting himself into a pretzel to almost defend Diggs and say how much he loves him.  
 

Sorry but you don’t pull all this crap over freaking targets.  That’s ridiculously easy to address and fix.  

Agree. I just don't see this Diggs drama being squashed. It's likely to rear its head throughout this season. 

 

Diggs seems really stubborn and problematic when he's not happy. It got pretty nasty in Minnesota.

 

Wondering how many guys will echo what Diggs is saying? Will it divide the locket room? Will McD lose some of the locker room. Will it create a riff between players and coaches? I wouldn't be surprised if things get ugly.

 

I could be wrong and everything might be worked out. Winning will certainly help. 

 

Get you popcorn ready...

 

 

Edited June 22, 2023 by newcam2012

[Dopey]

On 6/20/2023 at 7:26 PM, Billy Claude said:

Issues with play calling seems much more probable than ex-girlfriends impregnated by a teammate. However, if that is the case, was Josh just lying when he said the issues were not football related? If Allen was lying, what was the purpose of lying instead of just saying he didn't want to talk about specifics? Secondly, what about the reports that Diggs met with Beane, McDermott, and the new WR coach but not Dorsey?  Were those reports simply wrong?

This is where I am on this. I believe Josh when he says it’s not football related. I believe it was Diggs feeling that Josh wasn’t totally focused. For someone who wants to win as much as Diggs, he should be upset if what is rumored (cops the day before the game) is true. I said in a previous post that Josh said too much in that press conference. It’s hard to believe play calling is the issue when Josh clearly said it wasn’t football related. 

[Ray Stonada]

The thing is, none of our other pass catchers were coming through last year: Davis, McKenzie, Shakir, Beasley, Crowder, Brown, etc. They mostly had poor years with a lot of drops.

 

Diggs , meanwhile, was reliable. But when we were down we tended to use him as a decoy.

 

Meanwhile, the Vikings basically just threw jump ball after jump ball to Jefferson when they were in trouble against us. They basically said, when the chips are down, let's go with our best. 

 

The Bills had a weird tendency to try things like the long ball Gabe dropped against the Jets. Meanwhile, when we needed it and we DID go to Diggs, like against the Lions, he came through.

 

So I get why he got so frustrated. If Josh had hit him on the wide open deep ball for a long TD against the Bengals, it could have been a totally different game. But it wasn't. And he couldn't accept not being relied on instead

 

 

[newcam2012]

2 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said:

The thing is, none of our other pass catchers were coming through last year: Davis, McKenzie, Shakir, Beasley, Crowder, Brown, etc. They mostly had poor years with a lot of drops.

 

Diggs , meanwhile, was reliable. But when we were down we tended to use him as a decoy.

 

Meanwhile, the Vikings basically just threw jump ball after jump ball to Jefferson when they were in trouble against us. They basically said, when the chips are down, let's go with our best. 

 

The Bills had a weird tendency to try things like the long ball Gabe dropped against the Jets. Meanwhile, when we needed it and we DID go to Diggs, like against the Lions, he came through.

 

So I get why he got so frustrated. If Josh had hit him on the wide open deep ball for a long TD against the Bengals, it could have been a totally different game. But it wasn't. And he couldn't accept not being relied on instead

 

 

Diggs has plenty of reason to be upset and disappointed. In the playoffs he's been schemed out of the games by the opposition defenses. It's been an issue for too long. 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

Sauce Gardner week 1.  
 

National TV.  
 

Should get real fun if Diggs has 2 targets at halftime.   
 

Dorsey has 2 months plus to figure this out.  Move Diggs around.  Make sure he gets 8 targets minimum.  Do not shy away from Sauce.  But don’t expect 9 catches for 125.  That ain’t happening.  He’s the best CB in the game already.   
 

If we win, it’s a massive “see, let’s all relax and ball like we can” moment.   

[Doc Brown]

24 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said:

The thing is, none of our other pass catchers were coming through last year: Davis, McKenzie, Shakir, Beasley, Crowder, Brown, etc. They mostly had poor years with a lot of drops.

 

Diggs , meanwhile, was reliable. But when we were down we tended to use him as a decoy.

 

Meanwhile, the Vikings basically just threw jump ball after jump ball to Jefferson when they were in trouble against us. They basically said, when the chips are down, let's go with our best. 

 

The Bills had a weird tendency to try things like the long ball Gabe dropped against the Jets. Meanwhile, when we needed it and we DID go to Diggs, like against the Lions, he came through.

 

So I get why he got so frustrated. If Josh had hit him on the wide open deep ball for a long TD against the Bengals, it could have been a totally different game. But it wasn't. And he couldn't accept not being relied on instead

 

 

Except for 4th down with the game on the line in the divisional game against the Giants.  I don't think Diggs is to the diva level of an Antonio Brown or a Terrell Owens.  However, Diggs handled this like an immature child.  It would've been nice if he showed up at voluntary OTA's and aired out his grievances in house.  Enough with the stupid cryptic tweets.  There's plenty of players on this team that want to win who don't air their grievances out so publicly like he did.  You're an elite WR, are being paid as one, and a team captain.  Start acting like it.

[JerseyBills]

On 6/20/2023 at 7:29 PM, HappyDays said:

Rapaport is echoing the more credible reports that Diggs was unhappy with his target share in the offense last year. Not with us failing to land Hopkins like that fake sources loser in NYC made up.

I've called their show a cpl times and killed Craig Carton with facts concerning the Jets and this SB talk. 

 

I get crazy during the games, I totally agree with this take. So many games Diggs gave a spark and I was screaming at the tv to feed 14 when the O got a bit stagnant. I actually like this and should only make the O better , which is a scary sight for opposing defenses 

[Nihilarian]

 

[Billy Claude]

5 hours ago, Dopey said:

This is where I am on this. I believe Josh when he says it’s not football related. I believe it was Diggs feeling that Josh wasn’t totally focused. For someone who wants to win as much as Diggs, he should be upset if what is rumored (cops the day before the game) is true. I said in a previous post that Josh said too much in that press conference. It’s hard to believe play calling is the issue when Josh clearly said it wasn’t football related. 

 

 

Yes, I just don't see any reason why Allen would say Diggs' issues were not football related if it was about play calling and I assume that Allen talked  with McDermott and perhaps a PR person about what he was going to say before he met the reporters.  However, that Digg's was unhappy with the play calling absolutely makes the most sense out of the various theories out there.

 

 

Edited June 22, 2023 by Billy Claude

[JerseyBills]

9 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

 

Damn Allen missed him for a TD 2nd to last throw

[teef]

on a completely side, random note, has anyone heard about "baby diggs"?  he's some kid from wny that a football prodigy.  he's having online beef with another kids labled, "baby gronk' from florida.  i'm not sure if i have this correct, but please look into this and be as amazed as i am.  wait until you see baby gronk's mom.

[ExWNYer]

6 minutes ago, teef said:

on a completely side, random note, has anyone heard about "baby diggs"?  he's some kid from wny that a football prodigy.  he's having online beef with another kids labled, "baby gronk' from florida.  i'm not sure if i have this correct, but please look into this and be as amazed as i am.  wait until you see baby gronk's mom.

 

Does this have anything at all to do with that lab-grown chicken from animal cells? Asking for a friend...🤔 

 

 

https://apnews.com/article/cultivated-meat-lab-grown-cell-based-a88ab8e0241712b501aa191cdbf6b39a

[Buffalo Junction]

5 hours ago, Billy Claude said:

 

 

Yes, I just don't see any reason why Allen would say Diggs' issues were not football related if it was about play calling and I assume that Allen talked  with McDermott and perhaps a PR person about what he was going to say before he met the reporters.  However, that Digg's was unhappy with the play calling absolutely makes the most sense out of the various theories out there.

 

 

I’m not sure Diggs was unhappy with the playcalling, so much as Allen not telling Dorsey to change up some things based on what they’re seeing on the field. That would put the emphasis more on “communication” but look like a straight X’s and O’s issue. Who knows 🤷‍♂️. All we really know is winning cures all, but those wins need to be playoff victories this year.