Diggs NOT at mandatory minicamp, McDermott "very concerned" DAY 2 UPDATE: He's back

[4merper4mer]

18 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

We can take pics next to horses at the farm I get manure from.  Can we both stand on top of an 11 foot pile of horse ***** and smile?

 

 

You get manure from a farm?  And here I thought it all emanated from your keyboard.

[GETTOTHE50]

Both Cowherd and Schein are getting angry at McD today and trying to put him on the hot seat.

 

Is this Diggs agent getting to both of them and his way at getting back at McD?

 

Some of criticism is valid I think.

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

But that takes away from so much

It saves you a lot of time to do other things that are actually enjoyable….
 

Rather than replying to fools that only have a couple things on their agenda-  wasting your valuable time and wasting their not so valuable time in order to hopefully feel vindicated for having very little to be happy about.  

[4merper4mer]

7 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

This.  Now they need to address (in private) why things got heated.  I still say it's Dorsey.

Relying on Tim Graham is folly dude.  Next he’ll have some “direct quotes”.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Breakout Squad said:

Why would you even post this?! 😂

It’s a sign of bad judgement. Dunkirk Don made that much in gains DAILY, and he will only be forever haunted by sharing that. 

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

If you're correct, then I find it problematic that the meetings were evidently between Beane, McDermott, Adam Henry, and Diggs.

That would not be healthy.

I'm not sure who was involved in the meeting so I should have clarified that point.  I think it involved the offense as a whole and McD was either there or had to be brought in to intervene.

[Reed83HOF]

2 minutes ago, arcane said:

Honestly everything I hear out of national media regarding the bills becomes more and more unhinged with each passing day

 

They accumulate dust and pretend it's gold 

 

Theyre talking themselves into things that will not happen and dont represent reality 

It's been on this board, it has been on call-ins to WGR that Sean's seat is getting hotter.

 

We wonder why Chad Hall left? I figured I would go back and pull up this gem from Ty Dunne about 13 seconds - it talks about about Heath Farwell our ST coordinator, McDermott Displeasure and Diggs is in it as well. I highlighted and underscored the main points. I really wonder if...

https://www.golongtd.com/p/it-was-a-bad-bad-situation

 

Only, he did not. He held a generic, “We’ll grow from this”-themed address. The position coaches met with their players, then with the personnel department for year-end summaries on each player and… goodbye. Have a nice offseason. That’s it. Nothing was shared openly amongst players and coaches alike. Everything ended very “abruptly,” one team source said.

 

Many were left wanting more.

 

“You preach accountability,” one player said. “But you don’t practice it.”

 

“What I’ve been told by many players on the team,” one veteran said, “and some special teams players, is our special team coordinator Heath Farwell, that’s his job, right? He’s aware of the situation. He has studied that. So, he tells McDermott to kick the squib. And McDermott said to kick the ball out of the field. So then, Farwell is arguing the case for why we should kick the squib. But then also you’ve got special teams on the other side and he has to get them together and give them

their pep talk and play call and what they’re trying to do. He’s on the other side and telling them to do that, and then he runs down and goes back and in the midst of all this confusion, the kicker didn’t get the information that he needed to kick the squib. So that’s what happened. They get out there and didn’t kick the squib.

“It was a bad, bad situation.”

 

“He was telling them how to line up for the squib,” this player said. “And I guess McDermott had the last say and I don’t know if McDermott translated that to Heath because Heath was prepared for the squib in his mind and McDermott was like, ‘Kick it out.’”

One player was a bit more diplomatic, citing a “miscommunication.”

 

“I’m never one to point fingers,” he said. “It’s nobody’s fault, but I think everybody knows what should’ve been called and it wasn’t.”

Farwell is no longer in Buffalo. He resigned and is now the special teams coordinator for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Players said he was unhappy in Buffalo and left on his own accord. They repeat that he was trying to do the right thing in that kickoff moment and deserves no scorn.

 

Frazier calls the defense but obviously McDermott wasn’t exactly ordering a popcorn from a vendor in Section 120 through those two timeouts. He’s clearly an active participant and, if he didn’t intervene to make sure his defense was positioned to disrupt KC’s speed, he should have. Probably no coach in the NFL has been thinking about how to stop Mahomes, Hill and Kelce more these last years and… that was the grand reveal? In the AFC Championship one year prior, McDermott coached scared by kicking chip-shot field goals. That side of him reared its ugly head again — the Bills killed two possessions in this shootout by punting on fourth and 4 and fourth and 1. But this time around, he discovered a new way to coach scared.

 

As one source familiar with the inner-workings of the team puts it, nothing of importance at One Bills Drive happens without McDermott’s approval. He’s aware of everything, right down to what reporters are tweeting during a punt period at practice. Thus, this does not compute. How does this same micromanager freeze up when the season is on the line?

With everything on the line…

…with a chance to host a conference championship…

“…you fold,” one defensive player said, despondently. “You fold.”

 

“Emotions were up in the air,” one veteran said. “Everybody was angry and upset and Stefon Diggs was having an argument with a defensive player — just saying that he was upset with the call — and then Jerry (Hughes) stepped in. There was a big uproar and people were about to throw hands. (McDermott) comes in and says if you’re about to blame anyone for what happened, you should blame him. But that was the only time that he took accountability. There was no public accountability after that. In our exit meetings and interviews, he never really highlighted that as well. He never broke down why we didn’t kick the squib. It was like a ‘Thank you for an amazing year. You guys are great. We’ll see what happens next year.’”

 

McDermott has cycled through a lot of assistant coaches over his five years in charge.

When one is asked what it’s like to work with him as a boss, he chooses not to answer.

“If I have anything bad to say, I’d rather say it to his face. Read into that as you may.”

 

Added one player: “I didn’t notice it (during the season) because everybody was flying the Buffalo flag and teamwork and family and stuff like that but, once the season was over, a lot of people were being more vocal within the organization of their displeasure toward Sean McDermott. That was so surprising for me

 

[Dablitzkrieg]

7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

It saves you a lot of time to do other things that are actually enjoyable….
 

Rather than replying to fools that only have a couple things on their agenda-  wasting your valuable time and wasting their not so valuable time in order to hopefully feel vindicated for having very little to be happy about.  

I enjoy the entertainment

[teef]

29 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

We can take pics next to horses at the farm I get manure from.  Can we both stand on top of an 11 foot pile of horse ***** and smile?

 

 

I’m not sure how to go forward from here. 

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

You get manure from a farm?  And here I thought it all emanated from your keyboard.

You’re the guy that gives the peace sign while blowing a kiss when taking pictures aren’t you?

[Doc]

6 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Relying on Tim Graham is folly dude.  Next he’ll have some “direct quotes”.

 

I didn't even read what Graham wrote, dude.  I just read what Beck Water said and thought that sounded the most logical.  If Diggs didn't intend to participate in minicamp, he wouldn't have shown up at all.  Obviously something set him off and McD was surprised that he left before practice, thinking he wasn't going to return at all.

[Breakout Squad]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

Ok. Replacing “lie” with “mendacious” better? 

 

Can’t stand them. 

 

Tahoe.

I hear Lake Tahoe is beautiful in the NFL offseason 

[Royale with Cheese]

14 minutes ago, teef said:

Did I mention that @Einstein called me out for something he was wrong on and could never prove?  Instead of just admitting his mistake, he completely ignores what he did and hides?   Isn’t that a less than intelligent way that handle that?  Let none of this get in the way of us.  

Manure has a lot of nitrogen and that’s good for the brain.  Manure smoothies?

[Reed83HOF]

15 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

This.  Now they need to address (in private) why things got heated.  I still say it's Dorsey.

 

I'm not sure anymore that it is that much on Doresy anymore. I just posted a Ty Dunne article on the 13 minutes as I started to dig a little more and think about things, I recalled that this was a good insight into how the 2022 team was with players speaking anonymously. I am thinking now, it may be a McD issue.

[4merper4mer]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I didn't even read what Graham wrote, dude.  

Smart

[Breakout Squad]

1 hour ago, arcane said:

Quote

This thread has been something to behold

 

His main contentions have been that he is piecing together what is really going on here while we all lap up regime kool aid, and that this happens because of how smart and successful he is, and we make fun of him because our synapses just don't fire well enough to complete the puzzle

 

We are making fun of him for this because it's clear that his ideas are uninteresting and not particularly creative or intelligent the way he plays them up, and because self-aggrandizing on the internet is a classic internet-poster archetype worthy of dunking on mercilessly 

 

He posted that because he thinks we don't believe what he says about his money and success, but nobody has even once doubted these things. We just grasp that they don't mean he's high IQ, or interesting, or capable of putting good posts together. 

Posting anonymously online allows for some cool dynamics to take place that are rarer in person - it throws away your social/political cache, anything that doesn't matter to the point you are making but in real life could unjustifiably make people more likely to have to listen to what you say. It doesn't matter if you're a disgusting freak that nobody likes, who deserves to be in jail - if you have a good post to make about Diggs or anything else, your post will be given the same platform as MENSA member company presidents' like @Einstein, and the community will respond according to how insightful it is relative to his post. That hasn't worked well for Einstein. His posts don't really reflect the insight typically capable for MENSA members, and the community responds in kind. He doesn't get it, so he has to insist to us that he not only has this social cache, but that it's better than all of ours, so we just don't understand him.

 

Sorry dude, that's not how talking on the internet works. Your ideas DON'T measure up. Conspiracies are real, they can be cool. The press does suck, and organizations like the Bills or any other company do have dirty laundry, and do coordinate to hide them. You are not crafting anything unique or interesting though, because we all know this, and buttressing it with the sentence structure and emotional intelligence of a tumblr teen betrays that your posts don't do the job on their own 

 

Honestly, in real life, you and I would probably get along and agree with a lot of things. But as successful as you have been, with your company, your real estate, whatever else, you didn't come up with anything interesting on the Bills, and I and many others here are in fact quite capable at undressing you when you get hostile. It has happened ten times over in this thread

This thread is all over the place. I was trying to figure out the Diggs dilemma from our respected TBD forum. I love this place for everyone’s insight…. I am enjoying the banter though

[4merper4mer]

7 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

It's been on this board, it has been on call-ins to WGR that Sean's seat is getting hotter.

 

We wonder why Chad Hall left? I figured I would go back and pull up this gem from Ty Dunne about 13 seconds - it talks about about Heath Farwell our ST coordinator, McDermott Displeasure and Diggs is in it as well. I highlighted and underscored the main points. I really wonder if...

https://www.golongtd.com/p/it-was-a-bad-bad-situation

 

Only, he did not. He held a generic, “We’ll grow from this”-themed address. The position coaches met with their players, then with the personnel department for year-end summaries on each player and… goodbye. Have a nice offseason. That’s it. Nothing was shared openly amongst players and coaches alike. Everything ended very “abruptly,” one team source said.

 

Many were left wanting more.

 

“You preach accountability,” one player said. “But you don’t practice it.”

 

“What I’ve been told by many players on the team,” one veteran said, “and some special teams players, is our special team coordinator Heath Farwell, that’s his job, right? He’s aware of the situation. He has studied that. So, he tells McDermott to kick the squib. And McDermott said to kick the ball out of the field. So then, Farwell is arguing the case for why we should kick the squib. But then also you’ve got special teams on the other side and he has to get them together and give them

their pep talk and play call and what they’re trying to do. He’s on the other side and telling them to do that, and then he runs down and goes back and in the midst of all this confusion, the kicker didn’t get the information that he needed to kick the squib. So that’s what happened. They get out there and didn’t kick the squib.

“It was a bad, bad situation.”

 

“He was telling them how to line up for the squib,” this player said. “And I guess McDermott had the last say and I don’t know if McDermott translated that to Heath because Heath was prepared for the squib in his mind and McDermott was like, ‘Kick it out.’”

One player was a bit more diplomatic, citing a “miscommunication.”

 

“I’m never one to point fingers,” he said. “It’s nobody’s fault, but I think everybody knows what should’ve been called and it wasn’t.”

Farwell is no longer in Buffalo. He resigned and is now the special teams coordinator for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Players said he was unhappy in Buffalo and left on his own accord. They repeat that he was trying to do the right thing in that kickoff moment and deserves no scorn.

 

Frazier calls the defense but obviously McDermott wasn’t exactly ordering a popcorn from a vendor in Section 120 through those two timeouts. He’s clearly an active participant and, if he didn’t intervene to make sure his defense was positioned to disrupt KC’s speed, he should have. Probably no coach in the NFL has been thinking about how to stop Mahomes, Hill and Kelce more these last years and… that was the grand reveal? In the AFC Championship one year prior, McDermott coached scared by kicking chip-shot field goals. That side of him reared its ugly head again — the Bills killed two possessions in this shootout by punting on fourth and 4 and fourth and 1. But this time around, he discovered a new way to coach scared.

 

As one source familiar with the inner-workings of the team puts it, nothing of importance at One Bills Drive happens without McDermott’s approval. He’s aware of everything, right down to what reporters are tweeting during a punt period at practice. Thus, this does not compute. How does this same micromanager freeze up when the season is on the line?

With everything on the line…

…with a chance to host a conference championship…

“…you fold,” one defensive player said, despondently. “You fold.”

 

“Emotions were up in the air,” one veteran said. “Everybody was angry and upset and Stefon Diggs was having an argument with a defensive player — just saying that he was upset with the call — and then Jerry (Hughes) stepped in. There was a big uproar and people were about to throw hands. (McDermott) comes in and says if you’re about to blame anyone for what happened, you should blame him. But that was the only time that he took accountability. There was no public accountability after that. In our exit meetings and interviews, he never really highlighted that as well. He never broke down why we didn’t kick the squib. It was like a ‘Thank you for an amazing year. You guys are great. We’ll see what happens next year.’”

 

McDermott has cycled through a lot of assistant coaches over his five years in charge.

When one is asked what it’s like to work with him as a boss, he chooses not to answer.

“If I have anything bad to say, I’d rather say it to his face. Read into that as you may.”

 

Added one player: “I didn’t notice it (during the season) because everybody was flying the Buffalo flag and teamwork and family and stuff like that but, once the season was over, a lot of people were being more vocal within the organization of their displeasure toward Sean McDermott. That was so surprising for me

 

Now find:

 

Any coach in the history of football that hasn’t cycled through assistants

Any coach in history where you can’t find anyone that didn’t enjoy working for him

 

Some points of view on how McD handled the Hamlin incident and what the players thought of that.

[Breakout Squad]

15 minutes ago, Augie said:

It’s a sign of bad judgement. Dunkirk Don made that much in gains DAILY, and he will only be forever haunted by sharing that. 

I wonder what high level meetings Dunkirk Don is attending these days. That guy reminded me of a buddy of mine that was in the Air Force as a grunt but claimed he saw aliens at a secret base. 

[K-9]

1 minute ago, Breakout Squad said:

I wonder what high level meetings Dunkirk Don is attending these days. That guy reminded me of a buddy of mine that was in the Air Force as a grunt but claimed he saw aliens at a secret base. 

[JaCrispy]

9 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

It's been on this board, it has been on call-ins to WGR that Sean's seat is getting hotter.

 

We wonder why Chad Hall left? I figured I would go back and pull up this gem from Ty Dunne about 13 seconds - it talks about about Heath Farwell our ST coordinator, McDermott Displeasure and Diggs is in it as well. I highlighted and underscored the main points. I really wonder if...

https://www.golongtd.com/p/it-was-a-bad-bad-situation

 

Only, he did not. He held a generic, “We’ll grow from this”-themed address. The position coaches met with their players, then with the personnel department for year-end summaries on each player and… goodbye. Have a nice offseason. That’s it. Nothing was shared openly amongst players and coaches alike. Everything ended very “abruptly,” one team source said.

 

Many were left wanting more.

 

“You preach accountability,” one player said. “But you don’t practice it.”

 

“What I’ve been told by many players on the team,” one veteran said, “and some special teams players, is our special team coordinator Heath Farwell, that’s his job, right? He’s aware of the situation. He has studied that. So, he tells McDermott to kick the squib. And McDermott said to kick the ball out of the field. So then, Farwell is arguing the case for why we should kick the squib. But then also you’ve got special teams on the other side and he has to get them together and give them

their pep talk and play call and what they’re trying to do. He’s on the other side and telling them to do that, and then he runs down and goes back and in the midst of all this confusion, the kicker didn’t get the information that he needed to kick the squib. So that’s what happened. They get out there and didn’t kick the squib.

“It was a bad, bad situation.”

 

“He was telling them how to line up for the squib,” this player said. “And I guess McDermott had the last say and I don’t know if McDermott translated that to Heath because Heath was prepared for the squib in his mind and McDermott was like, ‘Kick it out.’”

One player was a bit more diplomatic, citing a “miscommunication.”

 

“I’m never one to point fingers,” he said. “It’s nobody’s fault, but I think everybody knows what should’ve been called and it wasn’t.”

Farwell is no longer in Buffalo. He resigned and is now the special teams coordinator for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Players said he was unhappy in Buffalo and left on his own accord. They repeat that he was trying to do the right thing in that kickoff moment and deserves no scorn.

 

Frazier calls the defense but obviously McDermott wasn’t exactly ordering a popcorn from a vendor in Section 120 through those two timeouts. He’s clearly an active participant and, if he didn’t intervene to make sure his defense was positioned to disrupt KC’s speed, he should have. Probably no coach in the NFL has been thinking about how to stop Mahomes, Hill and Kelce more these last years and… that was the grand reveal? In the AFC Championship one year prior, McDermott coached scared by kicking chip-shot field goals. That side of him reared its ugly head again — the Bills killed two possessions in this shootout by punting on fourth and 4 and fourth and 1. But this time around, he discovered a new way to coach scared.

 

As one source familiar with the inner-workings of the team puts it, nothing of importance at One Bills Drive happens without McDermott’s approval. He’s aware of everything, right down to what reporters are tweeting during a punt period at practice. Thus, this does not compute. How does this same micromanager freeze up when the season is on the line?

With everything on the line…

…with a chance to host a conference championship…

“…you fold,” one defensive player said, despondently. “You fold.”

 

“Emotions were up in the air,” one veteran said. “Everybody was angry and upset and Stefon Diggs was having an argument with a defensive player — just saying that he was upset with the call — and then Jerry (Hughes) stepped in. There was a big uproar and people were about to throw hands. (McDermott) comes in and says if you’re about to blame anyone for what happened, you should blame him. But that was the only time that he took accountability. There was no public accountability after that. In our exit meetings and interviews, he never really highlighted that as well. He never broke down why we didn’t kick the squib. It was like a ‘Thank you for an amazing year. You guys are great. We’ll see what happens next year.’”

 

McDermott has cycled through a lot of assistant coaches over his five years in charge.

When one is asked what it’s like to work with him as a boss, he chooses not to answer.

“If I have anything bad to say, I’d rather say it to his face. Read into that as you may.”

 

Added one player: “I didn’t notice it (during the season) because everybody was flying the Buffalo flag and teamwork and family and stuff like that but, once the season was over, a lot of people were being more vocal within the organization of their displeasure toward Sean McDermott. That was so surprising for me

 

Very interesting…

 

I’ve never been high on McD- didn’t think he had what it took to go all the way…But I accepted him because he was the Bills coach…But I always thought we should have let him go and promoted Daboll to HC…👍