Receiving concerns on offense

[Jerry Jabber]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Good enough, but who would that guy be? 
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/

Sort by WR and pick your guy

 

The Cold Hard Fiscal Facts seem to be that once you're paying a QB, a top WR, and a couple top OLman, you probably don't have the cap $$ to splurge on top talent in FA. 

 

It might be worth noting that as a FA signing for 1 yr/$6M, Sanders played 14 reg. season games and contributed 44.7 ypg, 5 targets and 3 receptions a game (58.3%).  He had a high Y/R of 14.9 and 3 drops (4.2%). 

 

Gabe Davis played 15 reg season games and contributed 55.7 ypg, 6 targets and 3 receptions a game (51.6%).  He had an even higher Y/R of 17.4 and 9 drops (9.7%).  Obviously the drops are very concerning, but I don't think the low catch % was entirely on Davis

 

And looked at as ROI, I'm not sure we got our money's worth for $6M from Sanders.
I've said elsewhere that I'm skeptical about our 2nd biggest FA splurge, Deonte Harty, being a good use of money. 

 

Anyway have a look, I'm not sold on our signing of Deonte Harty, but I'm also not sold on the ROI per investment for a bunch of those FA.  Who would you consider a good ROI and a better option at #2?

 

Your last line though puzzles me.  Last season, the Chiefs top receiver was a TE - Kelce of course.  Who are the Chiefs "three good WR"?  Tiktok Boy is decent.  MVS has always been a bit of a disappointment IMHO.  Who's the 3rd?  And do you really see TikTok Boy as an $8M step-up on Davis?

"The Cold Hard Fiscal Facts seem to be that once you're paying a QB, a top WR, and a couple top OLman, you probably don't have the cap $$ to splurge on top talent in FA." Yet the Bills just spent $7M on Leonard Floyd. How much capital have the Bills spent on the D-line over the years, only for it to falter in the playoffs? 1st Rounders: Oliver, Rousseau; 2nd Rounders: Basham, Epeneza; FA's: Miller, Phillips, Lawson, Settle, Jones, etc. 

 

This is very accurate about Gabe Davis from Patrick Peterson ""I was on Gabe Davis, and I could show you in my notes the routes that Gabe Davis runs: posts, digs, slants occasionally." Vikings' Patrick Peterson called his game-winning OT interception of Josh Allen: 'I am going to go pick this' - CBSSports.com. As a #2 WR, you have to be able to run all the routes in the route tree, Davis can only run three routes effectively. When your #1 WR is being taken out of the game due to double coverage, your #2 WR has to step up and make plays. In the Bengals playoff game, the Bengals double covered Diggs and limited to 4 catches for 35 yards, while Gabe Davis had 2 catches for 34 yards. 

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, Jerry Jabber said:

The Chiefs won two Superbowls in four years, plus the Bengals whooped the Bills 27-10 in the playoffs. Bills also haven’t been able to beat the Chiefs in the playoffs. Just stating the facts.

We have literally played the Chiefs one time in the playoffs
 

All of the regular season games lately have been going to the bills

 

I know it’s the off-season, but let’s not inflate the numbers

[WyoAZBillfan]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

We have literally played the Chiefs one time in the playoffs
 

All of the regular season games lately have been going to the bills

 

I know it’s the off-season, but let’s not inflate the numbers

Twice actually. 

[Jerry Jabber]

9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

We have literally played the Chiefs one time in the playoffs
 

All of the regular season games lately have been going to the bills

 

I know it’s the off-season, but let’s not inflate the numbers

Guess you either just started watching the Bills or have short term memory.

 

AFC Championship Game, Jan 2021.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401220401

 

AFC Playoffs, Jan 2022:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401326633

Edited June 12, 2023 by Jerry Jabber

[Tanoros]

3 hours ago, Jerry Jabber said:

IMO, the Bills have a #1 Diggs, #3 (but being used as a #2), Davis, but the rest of the WR’s are lower level WR’s. Sorry, but I have a hard time seeing these guys beat teams like the Bengals and Chiefs in the playoffs, especially after seeing the Bills only score ten points in the playoff game against the Bengals this past January.

Your right about the depth they have for sure, which isn’t much. I was just correcting your statement that the Bills DONT expect Kincaid to be the starting slot wr from day 1. He appears to be competing with a few guys for that role and there is a good chance (this season atleast) we see a healthy rotation out of the slot. 

 

I get your sentiments about the Bengals playoff game, it sucked, but that game wasn’t who the Bills were last season. They just happened to have a horrible game in the playoffs. The Bills are quite capable (in my opinion) of beating anyone. Now if the o-line is improved, we should also see the offense looking better for that reason alone (let’s also not act like our offense was bad last year. Room for improvement, sure, but bad, no way!). 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, MJS said:

Davis was not as bad as everyone claims. He actually has solid #2 WR numbers. 836 yards and 7 TD's. He had some drops, but he can overcome that.

 

Davis had "some drops"?? 

 

In other news Rodger Saffold "had *some* poor games". 

 

Davis lead NFL WR in drop % and was second in total drops by a WR.

 

With 9 drops in only 93 targets......Gabe was basically outright DROPPING catchable balls on 1 of every 10 passes Allen threw to him.

 

Overall........he was 186th out of 197 players in catch % at 51.6%........and everyone that was worse than him had a fraction of the targets he had. 

 

He was the worst high volume receiver in the entire NFL at coming down with passes. 

 

[MJS]

20 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Davis had "some drops"?? 

 

In other news Rodger Saffold "had *some* poor games". 

 

Davis lead NFL WR in drop % and was second in total drops by a WR.

 

With 9 drops in only 93 targets......Gabe was basically outright DROPPING catchable balls on 1 of every 10 passes Allen threw to him.

 

Overall........he was 186th out of 197 players in catch % at 51.6%........and everyone that was worse than him had a fraction of the targets he had. 

 

He was the worst high volume receiver in the entire NFL at coming down with passes. 

Yep. He has room to improve.

[BullBuchanan]

4 hours ago, MJS said:

Davis was not as bad as everyone claims. He actually has solid #2 WR numbers. 836 yards and 7 TD's. He had some drops, but he can overcome that.

 

With the other additions, I think the receiving room is more talented and has a wider variety of skills and body types.

 

Yes, bringing in another legit receiver would have been helpful, but I think Beane still did well.

It might be good season stats if you spread them out over a full season. Unfortunately Davis had 3 of his top 4 games in the first 6 weeks of the season where he also had 57% of his TDs and 46% of his yards. He wasn't there when we needed him.

 

[John from Riverside]

43 minutes ago, MJS said:

Yep. He has room to improve.

I don’t think anybody can really defend the drops. Gabe Davis had way too many however, I don’t feel like he had that many of the year previously so it could just be a one time thing or not.

[billsfan89]

I think It is a legitimate concern to think the Bills need more firepower at pass catcher. Now It isn’t like the Bills did not do anything to address this issue. Kincaid was the teams first round pick and the best TE in the draft according to most and the Bills spent a 5th rounder on shorter although he is more a developmental player.

 

The Bills also replaced Mac and Kumerow with Hardy and Sheffield while not earth shattering Is a minor upgrade at the back end of WR. I also think having Hines the entire season will add some pass catching value. 
 

But if Kincaid is not having a major impact, Davis struggles to be a consistent WR2, Shakir doesn’t develop and they can’t find production elsewhere then a lot of the same issues from 2022 can rear their ugly heads.

 

I think the team knows they might need another weapon out there which is why they are reportedly in on Hopkins and likely could also add a player at the trade deadline in season too. 

[Process]

4 hours ago, MJS said:

Davis was not as bad as everyone claims. He actually has solid #2 WR numbers. 836 yards and 7 TD's. He had some drops, but he can overcome that.

 

With the other additions, I think the receiving room is more talented and has a wider variety of skills and body types.

 

Yes, bringing in another legit receiver would have been helpful, but I think Beane still did well.

Numbers are absolutely meaningless. The Bills basically used three receivers total last year. In a pass heavy offense. With a top 2 gunslinging QB. 

 

Of course the WR2 is going to put up numbers, due to volume alone. 

[Dan in Owego]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Davis had "some drops"?? 

 

In other news Rodger Saffold "had *some* poor games". 

 

Davis lead NFL WR in drop % and was second in total drops by a WR.

 

With 9 drops in only 93 targets......Gabe was basically outright DROPPING catchable balls on 1 of every 10 passes Allen threw to him.

 

Overall........he was 186th out of 197 players in catch % at 51.6%........and everyone that was worse than him had a fraction of the targets he had. 

 

He was the worst high volume receiver in the entire NFL at coming down with passes. 

 

Could be what the doctor ordered, plus it might look pretty cool

[Robert Paulson]

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

We have literally played the Chiefs one time in the playoffs
 

All of the regular season games lately have been going to the bills

 

I know it’s the off-season, but let’s not inflate the numbers

You should ban yourself from posting for a week for missing basic facts.

Bills lost AFC Championship in 2020 and AFC Division round in 2021 to the Chiefs. 

And they lost the 2020 regular season game to them as well in Buffalo.

Edited June 12, 2023 by Ethan in Cleveland

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

It might be good season stats if you spread them out over a full season. Unfortunately Davis had 3 of his top 4 games in the first 6 weeks of the season where he also had 57% of his TDs and 46% of his yards. He wasn't there when we needed him.

 

You conviently forgot he injured his ankle in week 4 or 5. Perhaps that has something to do with it.

[Dan in Owego]

31 minutes ago, Dan in Owego said:

Could be what the doctor ordered, plus it might look pretty cool

Trying to remember didn't Stallworth wear prescription goggles as well?

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Bills made a huge move at WR by replacing the coach, that cannot be overlooked.

[PBF81]

6 hours ago, Fleezoid said:

Who are you receiving these concerns from?

 

A concerned fan.  

 

 

6 hours ago, TBBills Fan said:

The football gods of course.....

 

You do not pray to them?

 

They do not answer you back?

 

For many, they pray to the receiving god on game days after having too many Blues, Genny's, or other alcohol.  

 

 

[Aussie Joe]

6 hours ago, Fleezoid said:

Who are you receiving these concerns from?

From his subordinates out in the field …

[Process]

51 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

You conviently forgot he injured his ankle in week 4 or 5. Perhaps that has something to do with it.

He injured his ankle in practice before Week 2