GoBills808 Posted June 11, 2023 Posted June 11, 2023 47 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: McDermotts is a miracle worker and you’re blind if you can’t see that We went from the depths of despair to perennial contenders He won with Tyrod Taylor It always takes two to tango I think that's over stating it McDermott went 9-7 with Tyrod Taylor Rex Ryan went 8-8 and 7-8...my threshold for miracles is a little higher than one game better than Rex Ryan lol
Buffalo716 Posted June 11, 2023 Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I think that's over stating it McDermott went 9-7 with Tyrod Taylor Rex Ryan went 8-8 and 7-8...my threshold for miracles is a little higher than one game better than Rex Ryan lol Rex Ryan also went to 2 afc championship games He’s not a bottom feeding idiot… No matter the persona He understands football better than 99.999% of the guys alive remember… “ We are going” .. Rex told me that my face also He thought the team was good enough but McDermott got it done Edited June 11, 2023 by Buffalo716
GoBills808 Posted June 11, 2023 Posted June 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Rex Ryan also went to 2 afc championship games He’s not a bottom feeding idiot… No matter the persona He understands football better than 99.999% of the guys alive remember… “ We are going” .. Rex told me that my face also He thought the team was good enough but McDermott got it done I don't think Rex was horrible or anything but I'm also not going to use his results vs McDermott vis a vis Taylor to prove McDermott is a great coach
Augie Posted June 11, 2023 Posted June 11, 2023 8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I think that's over stating it McDermott went 9-7 with Tyrod Taylor Rex Ryan went 8-8 and 7-8...my threshold for miracles is a little higher than one game better than Rex Ryan lol How about one game better and a box of donuts? Rob could be the real wonder here! I like McD and appreciate where he has this team. Obviously far from perfect, but I expect him to continue to grow and improve, as we’d all hope and expect. I don’t see a coach coming off a 14-4 season as being on any kind of hot seat. We are fans, and often frustrated, but if you are a top 5 Super Bowl contender I think tweaking makes far more sense than wholesale changes.
Einstein Posted June 11, 2023 Posted June 11, 2023 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: All teams McDermott would have taken to the playoffs too. You think so? Im not as sure. Maybe 2004.
GoBills808 Posted June 11, 2023 Posted June 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Augie said: How about one game better and a box of donuts? Rob could be the real wonder here! I like McD and appreciate where he has this team. Obviously far from perfect, but I expect him to continue to grow and improve, as we’d all hope and expect. I don’t see a coach coming off a 14-4 season as being on any kind of hot seat. We are fans, and often frustrated, but if you are a top 5 Super Bowl contender I think tweaking makes far more sense than wholesale changes. Yes I tend to agree with all of these points My only qualifier would be- the key to winning a Super Bowl isn't making the playoffs, it's winning playoff games. And a lot of the time for whatever reason I personally feel a distinct disadvantage in the coaching department when the postseason rolls around.
GunnerBill Posted June 11, 2023 Posted June 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, Einstein said: You think so? Im not as sure. Maybe 2004. Yes. 1
Buffalo716 Posted June 11, 2023 Posted June 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I don't think Rex was horrible or anything but I'm also not going to use his results vs McDermott vis a vis Taylor to prove McDermott is a great coach It’s a lot more than just Tyrod Taylor The organization and culture was a mess for 17 years Do you live in Western New York? Buffalo? Because if you do the disorganization and terrible culture was felt throughout the region during the drought McDermott changed One bills Drive instantly… The culture was changed instantly and it was felt throughout the region He’s a miracle worker 1
GoBills808 Posted June 11, 2023 Posted June 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: It’s a lot more than just Tyrod Taylor The organization and culture was a mess for 17 years Do you live in Western New York? Buffalo? Because if you do the disorganization and terrible culture was felt throughout the region during the drought McDermott changed One bills Drive instantly… The culture was changed instantly and it was felt throughout the region He’s a miracle worker I do not live there but I definitely appreciate the work they put in turning the ship around, it's been apparent no matter where you watch from 1
Augie Posted June 11, 2023 Posted June 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Yes I tend to agree with all of these points My only qualifier would be- the key to winning a Super Bowl isn't making the playoffs, it's winning playoff games. And a lot of the time for whatever reason I personally feel a distinct disadvantage in the coaching department when the postseason rolls around. This could be describing the complaints about Andy Reid a few years and a couple rings ago. Nobody wins it….until they win it. I still like our general trajectory. 3
LABILLBACKER Posted June 11, 2023 Posted June 11, 2023 7 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: I actually applaud posters like newcam2012, PBF81, etc. They don't follow the herd and can actually see the forest for the trees. McDermott has done a great job in helping to build this franchise to where it is today, but soon it's going get to a point where just making the playoffs isn't good enough. I'm sure the players love him, but Bucs players loved Tony Dungy in 2000 as well. Well said Boo...Great man, great at process...culture...player relationships etc. He just kinda sucks at playoff game day strategy. Just like Levy did.
GoBills808 Posted June 11, 2023 Posted June 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Augie said: This could be describing the complaints about Andy Reid a few years and a couple rings ago. Nobody wins it….until they win it. I still like our general trajectory. Andy Reid in his first five years coaching the Eagles went to four straight conference championships and one Super Bowl with Donovan McNabb as his QB. I don't think the two are really all that comparable.
Einstein Posted June 11, 2023 Posted June 11, 2023 13 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: It’s a lot more than just Tyrod Taylor The organization and culture was a mess for 17 years Do you live in Western New York? Buffalo? Because if you do the disorganization and terrible culture was felt throughout the region during the drought McDermott changed One bills Drive instantly… The culture was changed instantly and it was felt throughout the region He’s a miracle worker I find the “miracle worker” label so odd. Cultures are changed in the NFL every year. Hundreds of coaches have done it. It’s nothing new to turn a team around. It probably FEELS like that because of nearly two decades of mediocrity, but the rest of the NFL didn’t have that long of ineptitude. But even if you want to call him a “miracle worker” of culture, it’s still Josh Allen that is responsible for the sustained greatness. If Allen ever goes down (knock on wood), you will see INSTANTLY just how much that “culture” is worth on the scoreboard.
Rigotz Posted June 11, 2023 Posted June 11, 2023 7 hours ago, Dopey said: From 20 year losers to regular division winners and SB contenders. Here ya go newcam2012, PBF81 and the like, flame away. I noticed a trend a while ago here. Any attempt at a positive thread MUST be shot down by negative Nancies. Hey Einstein, are the Bengals still better than the Bills? Thing is we’ve read your negative crap already. We know! We get it! You guys make this board a ***** place IMO. Go get laid or something. Life is awesome and it sucks that people like me stay away from this place to come back a few weeks later and the same vocal group is writing the same 💩 as weeks ago. From what I read, Allen is the only good thing we have going for us. Last thought: you guys suck and it feels like you’re taking this site with you. Enjoy. I’m going to try to be as kind and objective as possible in this response. It’s ok to appreciate McDermott for getting us out of the drought and being a GOOD coach, while not bowing down to him like he’s an ELITE coach. Brandon Beane has proven that he is an elite GM. Josh Allen has proven that he is an elite QB. McDermott has had some questionable performances when it matters most. He’s a defensive coach and his defenses have failed when it matters most. I used to love McDermott and think he was on his way to be the greatest ever, but he’s shown some weakness. That’s just a fact. I’m rooting for him to evolve and turn it around and hopefully he will. If not, we need an elite coach to go with our elite QB and GM to get this thing done. 1 1
Einstein Posted June 11, 2023 Posted June 11, 2023 13 minutes ago, Augie said: This could be describing the complaints about Andy Reid a few years and a couple rings ago. Nobody wins it….until they win it. I still like our general trajectory. Andy Reid was in numerous Championship games and a Super Bowl before his KC tenure AND that was with a lesser QB than Allen. If Andy Reid had Josh Allen in Philly then he would have several more Super Bowl rings by this point.
Augie Posted June 11, 2023 Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Andy Reid in his first five years coaching the Eagles went to four straight conference championships and one Super Bowl with Donovan McNabb as his QB. I don't think the two are really all that comparable. I referred to the complaints. Not the coaches. “He’s great in the regular season, but he just doesn’t get it done in the playoffs.” Look at all Reid accomplished, and it still wasn’t enough without rings. McD has not accomplished as much, but the complaints are quite similar, IMO. Fine in the regular season, but never gets to the top in the playoffs. Winning a Super Bowl will feel that much better because it’s so hard to do. . Edited June 11, 2023 by Augie
Buffalo716 Posted June 11, 2023 Posted June 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Einstein said: I find the “miracle worker” label so odd. Cultures are changed in the NFL every year. Hundreds of coaches have done it. It’s nothing new to turn a team around. It probably FEELS like that because of nearly two decades of mediocrity, but the rest of the NFL didn’t have that long of ineptitude. But even if you want to call him a “miracle worker” of culture, it’s still Josh Allen that is responsible for the sustained greatness. If Allen ever goes down (knock on wood), you will see INSTANTLY just how much that “culture” is worth on the scoreboard. Ummm We were in the longest drought of any NFL franchise ever We had Snake oil salesman like Russ brandon de facto running the bills for years Every good coach we reached out to would not come out … Antonio Brown said he didn’t answer the bills phone call in the draft because he didn’t wanna get drafted by them We were …in a league of parity ..stuck in the craziest drought And yes Sean McDermott brought faith character and work ethic back to Buffalo… And we’ve been to the playoffs six out of seven years
Gunsgoodtime Posted June 11, 2023 Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) So having one of the deepest rosters in the NFL, and one of the best qbs, top scoring offenses and top defenses and 0 Super Bowl appearances means he is the greatest coach ever? He is more likely to be fired before making a SB appearance Edited June 11, 2023 by Gunsgoodtime
Einstein Posted June 11, 2023 Posted June 11, 2023 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Ummm We were in the longest drought of any NFL franchise ever We had Snake oil salesman like Russ brandon de facto running the bills for years Every good coach we reached out to would not come out … Antonio Brown said he didn’t answer the bills phone call in the draft because he didn’t wanna get drafted by them We were …in a league of parity ..stuck in the craziest drought And yes Sean McDermott brought faith character and work ethic back to Buffalo… And we’ve been to the playoffs six out of seven years All of those things are true. And all of things are common in the NFL. Those things you listed above are not what makes a “miracle worker”. This is reminiscent of “Saint Doug”.
Buffalo716 Posted June 11, 2023 Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Einstein said: All of those things are true. And all of things are common in the NFL. Those things you listed above are not what makes a “miracle worker”. This is reminiscent of “Saint Doug”. No he’s what Saint doug promised and wasn’t and quit And Sean does it without causing any drama and respecting the NFL and his guys Yes in terms of the NFL it’s a miracle… Whoever gets the Browns to six out of seven playoffs will be a miracle worker I’m not saying they’re Saint Joan of arc… it’s Football related Edited June 11, 2023 by Buffalo716 1
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