Thanks coach McDermott… you’re one of the best coaches in the game.

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

Seriously.

 

We literally have posters who think a mass shooting tragedy that happened 8 months prior, in a city that players don’t even live most of the year, had an impact on the Bengals bashing our heads in. Never mind the fact that we won 14 games after that tragedy, including crushing the prior years super bowl champions in the first game after the shooting.

 

Oh and the owners wife having a medical emergency 5 months prior was another reason the Bengals wiped us all over the field. Never mind the fact that players often have the games of their lives after there is deaths in their personal family (ex: Allen after his grandma passed, Tiger after his dad passed, etc).

 

The mental gymnastics are incredible.

 

Because you spend all of your time studying sub-atomic particles, you can be excused your ignorance, but it's ignorance nonetheless.   

Scientists who work in the field have shown conclusively that traumatic events have serious, long-term, psychological effects.   

In some instances, it's called post-traumatic stress disorder.  They've also shown that multiple traumatic events has more serious cumulative impacts.  For example, children who experience one serious traumatic event typically recover; children who experience three or more are quite likely to have serious, long-term negative psychological issues.  

 

This particular group of men, more so than most pro football teams, is closely attached to the community.   A mass murder of the kind that took place in 

Buffalo affects many people in the community for a long time, including many people who did not witness the event and did not lose a loved one.  I live in Connecticut, and the community of Newtown has not recovered from their mass shooting, and that event took place ten years ago.   They are not close to recovering.  

 

On top of that, the team's owner, a virtual family member, had a major health care incident.   The brother of one of the players died.  The community suffered a snow storm in which more than 40 people died.  And finally, one of their teammates nearly died, in the field, before their eyes.   

 

It was an unprecedented emotional year for a football team.  Other than the Marshall plane crash, I can't recall anything remotely similar, in quantity of events and magnitude of events. 

 

It's ignorant and insensitive of you to sit comfortably at your keyboard and dismiss it all as nothing.  

[CountDorkula]

I think there are two different ares to judge McD. 
 

As a leader of men - excellent. Probably one of the best if not the best in the league. He’s a guy we all wish we had as a boss. 
 

as a football Head coach - average. Game day and roster decisions are head scratchers at times. Time out usage is confusing. Still needs improvement. 
 

 

 

Edited June 12, 2023 by CountDorkula

[CountDorkula]

6 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Because you spend all of your time studying sub-atomic particles, you can be excused your ignorance, but it's ignorance nonetheless.   

Scientists who work in the field have shown conclusively that traumatic events have serious, long-term, psychological effects.   

In some instances, it's called post-traumatic stress disorder.  They've also shown that multiple traumatic events has more serious cumulative impacts.  For example, children who experience one serious traumatic event typically recover; children who experience three or more are quite likely to have serious, long-term negative psychological issues.  

 

This particular group of men, more so than most pro football teams, is closely attached to the community.   A mass murder of the kind that took place in 

Buffalo affects many people in the community for a long time, including many people who did not witness the event and did not lose a loved one.  I live in Connecticut, and the community of Newtown has not recovered from their mass shooting, and that event took place ten years ago.   They are not close to recovering.  

 

On top of that, the team's owner, a virtual family member, had a major health care incident.   The brother of one of the players died.  The community suffered a snow storm in which more than 40 people died.  And finally, one of their teammates nearly died, in the field, before their eyes.   

 

It was an unprecedented emotional year for a football team.  Other than the Marshall plane crash, I can't recall anything remotely similar, in quantity of events and magnitude of events. 

 

It's ignorant and insensitive of you to sit comfortably at your keyboard and dismiss it all as nothing.  

How has Kansas City been able to win multiple championships.

 

they have had several mass shootings there?

 

if they don’t win it this year is it fair to blame it on the mass shooting that happened 3 weeks ago at a KC night club?

 

also jesus comparing a plane crash that killed an entire football team and coaches to a shooting is a massive massive stretch. 

 

I’ve learned that Buffalo is an extremely sheltered city that lives in a bubble and pretends the world is full of rainbows and unicorns. 
 

 

Edited June 12, 2023 by CountDorkula

[EasternOHBillsFan]

8 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

I think there are two different ares to judge McD. 
 

As a leader of men - excellent. Probably one of the best if not the best in the league. He’s a guy we all wish we had as a boss. 
 

as a football Head coach - average. Game day and roster decisions are head scratchers at times. Time out usage is confusing. Still needs improvement. 
 

 

 

 

I feel the exact same way... he's above average until he proves that he can coach this defense into a wrecking ball for the playoffs. If he can prove that Frazier was the problem, he's set for life.

[Einstein]

3 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

traumatic events have serious, long-term, psychological effects.   

 

The point is that these were not traumatic events for the players. The majority of which do NOT even live in the area most of the year. 

 

They aren't the first responders that arrived on the scene. Or close family members. 

 

They are football players, paid to play in a certain city, and had to fly in to attend an event that the team told them to attend. It's all public relations.

 

3 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

This particular group of men, more so than most pro football teams, is closely attached to the community.

 

No they aren't.

 

You have fallen for the excellent public relations work that PSE does.

 

3 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

 

On top of that, the team's owner, a virtual family member

 

She is not a virtual family member. She is the co-owner of a team. She was roundly criticized by PSE employees when she told them that they had to increase sales to keep up with their families lifestyle. And implied that PSE employees would be laid off before the Pegula's gave up their vacations.

 

By all accounts, she is a nice, but smart, business women. But she is not a "virtual family member".

 

3 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

The community suffered a snow storm

I forgot this absurd excuse.

 

Ah, yes, the snow storm caused the Bills players to be so traumatically affected that they won their next 6 games before being demolished in the playoffs.

 

It's all excuses and all nonsense.

[Einstein]

5 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

How has Kansas City been able to win multiple championships.

 

they have had several mass shootings there?

 

if they don’t win it this year is it fair to blame it on the mass shooting that happened 3 weeks ago at a KC night club?

 

also jesus comparing a plane crash that killed an entire football team and coaches to a shooting is a massive massive stretch. 

 

I’ve learned that Buffalo is an extremely sheltered city that lives in a bubble and pretends the world is full of rainbows and unicorns. 

 

Right.

 

You can add to that the tornado's that KC gets. Oh no! 

 

In fact, the Chiefs matriarch just passed away. I guess the Chiefs are doomed this year. 

 

Oh wait, that doesn't work... the Patriots went to the Super Bowl the year that their owners wife, who was deeply beloved, passed away. Oops.

 

The truth is that many fans romanticize the connection that players have to the city. Despite the fact that many hp on planes and fly away the second the season is over. I only wonder how long some posters will cling to these excuses. How long are the players that don't even live here going to be affected by these tragedies? How many seasons are to be excused away?

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

The point is that these were not traumatic events for the players. The majority of which do NOT even live in the area most of the year. 

 

They aren't the first responders that arrived on the scene. Or close family members. 

 

They are football players, paid to play in a certain city, and had to fly in to attend an event that the team told them to attend. It's all public relations.

 

 

No they aren't.

 

You have fallen for the excellent public relations work that PSE does.

 

 

She is not a virtual family member. She is the co-owner of a team. She was roundly criticized by PSE employees when she told them that they had to increase sales to keep up with their families lifestyle. And implied that PSE employees would be laid off before the Pegula's gave up their vacations.

 

By all accounts, she is a nice, but smart, business women. But she is not a "virtual family member".

 

I forgot this absurd excuse.

 

Ah, yes, the snow storm caused the Bills players to be so traumatically affected that they won their next 6 games before being demolished in the playoffs.

 

It's all excuses and all nonsense.

Like I said, you're ignorant.  I explained every one of your objections here, and you still raised them.  Bye-bye.

Edited June 12, 2023 by Shaw66

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, Shaw66 said:

Like I said, your ignorant.  I explained every one of your objections here, and you still raised them.  Bye-bye.

 

You simply made more excuses that don't fit in with the facts of what happened. 

 

You must be flabbergasted at how the Lakers were able to win the NBA Championship the year that Kobe died in a fiery helicopter accident, and covid was happening, 

[Bill from NYC]

On 6/11/2023 at 10:41 AM, Dopey said:

From 20 year losers to regular division winners and SB contenders. 
Here ya go newcam2012, PBF81 and the like, flame away. I noticed a trend a while ago here. Any attempt at a positive thread MUST be shot down by negative Nancies. Hey Einstein, are the Bengals still better than the Bills? Thing is we’ve read your negative crap already. We know! We get it! You guys make this board a ***** place IMO. Go get laid or something. Life is awesome and it sucks that people like me stay away from this place to come  back a few weeks later and the same vocal group is writing the same 💩 as weeks ago. From what I read, Allen is the only good thing we have going for us. Last thought: you guys suck and it feels like you’re taking this site with you. Enjoy. 

Here is a bit of unsolicited advice about how to survive on TBD, some of which I had to learn the hard way:

 

1) Stay off of PPP. You can spend hours on that forum and pour your heart out, but the chances of you changing the mind of even one poster are virtually nonexistant. Going  on PPP opens you up to hate, and perhaps even a bit more scrutiny from the moderators who might not share your views. It isn't worth the time and energy that you will surely waste.

 

2) Do not single those out who you disagree and act as if they should post according to your likes, dislikes, and opinions. I think that McDermott is a pretty good field coach who has too much power in the Bills organization, drafts too much defense and not enough blocking and wide receivers. Do you now hate me? Do you want me to "stay away" because we disagree? Please. 

 

3) Do not get into disputes with the moderators. They have the power and it is like picking a fight with Mike Tyson. The truth is that these are people who dedicate their time to keeping this place sane and orderly, and are not getting rich doing so. I have disagreed with a couple over the decades that I have been here but the fact is they have done a very good job overall. Without them, this place would be a jungle and a war zone. 

 

4) Do take advantage of the block feature. It is easy to use and it will save you from getting involved in ongoing disputes, people who get you angry, and even those who follow you around and taunt you. I had one of the latter. Notice the word "had."

 

5) Last but not least, be open minded about football. Don't toss aside your convictions but accept the fact that you can and will learn from many posters. I am not going to name names and embarrass people but trust me, there are posters here who know more about football than you (and I am not including myself in this group, being mostly unfamiliar with your posts). 

 

In any event good luck and I hope this helps.

Edited June 12, 2023 by Bill from NYC

[Nextmanup]

I love the folks around here who come to a public forum, which is a marketplace for the exchange of differing ideas, and then project their own idea as the only worth adopting...and further...poop all over any idea that differs with their own.

 

If you live that much in your own head, OP, why would you come here in the first place?

 

Just sit at home happy in your knowledge that we have the greatest HC of all time, and enjoy the ride.

 

Why do you want to force your views down the throats of others?

 

 

[Shaw66]

30 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

 

4) Do take advantage of the block feature. It is easy to use and it will save you from getting involved in ongoing disputes, people who get you get angry, and even those who follow you around and taunt you. I had one of the latter. Notice the word "had."

 

Others have said this, and it's true.  The ignore feature works very well.  I have about ten posters on "Ignore," including one who was added minutes ago.  

 

I put people on ignore who I find I end up in arguments with, instead of discussions.   They are typically very knowledgeable Bills fans, but they go round and round, simply disagreeing with whatever you say and not actually having a discussion that tends to educate both.  

 

What I really like about the Ignore feature is that while you're in a thread, you can see whether one of your Ignored users has posted anything, and the system lets you reveal that posted, take the poster off ignore, etc.  It's very easy.  So, while I'm reading, if I see that an Ignored user has posted, and because I know he's knowledgeable, sometimes I'll click to see what he had to say.   It works really well.  Sometimes it leads to me taking the user off Ignore.  

 

Try it.  

[PrimeTime101]

23 hours ago, Dopey said:

The reality is Allen isn’t the best QB. He’s really good. Kinda like the Bills, really good. Not the best. Your reality doesn’t slap me in the face and I’m not upset. I’m happy if we win a SB, not a negative Nancy if we don’t. Who are “they” and why should I care what “they “ say. The Bills are fun to watch again and I’m really enjoying this run. Sucks that negative Nancies aren’t. Your reality and mine are not the same and that’s ok. By the way, if you’re really out in the real world, it’s actually a nice place. Not everyone poo poo’s positivity. That’s the real world saying hi. 

I would Argue that with KC Oline, Philli Oline, Josh Allen could be the best QB in the league. We do not know what the ceiling is because Josh has had a HORRIBLE line in front of him. I would dare to see Hurts, Mahomes or even better Burrows standing behind our line in the last 4 years and see what they would accomplish. 

 

Now... Does This narrative mean you are a negative Nancy or does this narrative just simply state that I think better of my QB then others? Does this same statement mean I am a Homer or does it just mean I have a stronger opinion of the one they call Josh Allen?

 

I feel Negative Nancies here is the wrong word. People around here have their own Personal Agenda and not to the point of Trolls because they come in different shapes and sizes here too... But to the point where their opinion is right and your opinion is wrong... No matter what they will argue their same point with you to the end and start going into senseless other topics unrelated to what the general discussion is. 

 

In General. Right now? This board is leaning on the side of the cup half empty and that is frustrating considering what the non-Bills media and fans of many other teams are saying about Buffalo. I had a post about a month ago now on this same topic. Some of it just gets old. Some of us stopped having fun till I learned to block certain individuals that were just out to just... be... brutal.

 

Like me at that time, I think you have to realize that you can argue your point till you "blue in the face", then get ticked off and get angry.

 

It is not worth it man. Learn to appreciate others opinions and if someone you so strongly disagree with on their agenda's, flames and trolls? Just block them. 

 

[90sBills]

30 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I love the folks around here who come to a public forum, which is a marketplace for the exchange of differing ideas, and then project their own idea as the only worth adopting...and further...poop all over any idea that differs with their own.

 

If you live that much in your own head, OP, why would you come here in the first place?

 

Just sit at home happy in your knowledge that we have the greatest HC of all time, and enjoy the ride.

 

Why do you want to force your views down the throats of others?

 

 

For attention. Offseason can be extremely boring for some. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Another thread with Einstein arguing with others and being called ignorant.  

He absolutely knows the behind the doors relationship between the owners/coaches/players.  If he declares Kim Pegula isn't a family member, then it's so.

 

Bruce Smith cries because of the mass shooting at the memorial.  He hasn't lived in Buffalo for 20+ years and lives in VA.  How is he still emotionally connected to Buffalo?  

[PrimeTime101]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Another thread with Einstein arguing with others and being called ignorant.  

He absolutely knows the behind the doors relationship between the owners/coaches/players.  If he declares Kim Pegula isn't a family member, then it's so.

 

Bruce Smith cries because of the mass shooting at the memorial.  He hasn't lived in Buffalo for 20+ years and lives in VA.  How is he still emotionally connected to Buffalo?  

it has to be so? none of this is true? are you sure? lol

[Paup 1995MVP]

On 6/11/2023 at 11:35 AM, Dopey said:

Observant? The first few times, Maybe. IMO  it’s negative when every attempt at a positive thread is met with the same negative stuff, by the same people saying the same thing over and over. In my op I wrote that we get it ,we get it. There’s plenty of threads with that sentiment. IMO there is a lot to be happy about with this team, but posters like success will start a thread regarding the positives on this team and the thread is overrun with the same negative people, with the same negative stuff. We heard/read it already. Quite a bit, actually. 

Do you really like having a user name like that?  That says a lot right off the bat without anyone really knowing who you are.  Just saying.  

 

As for your rant about some people being too negative on this message board.  I don't think this place is supposed to be a Buffalo Bills cheerleading board.  It is a place where people should give their legitimate opinions (good and bad) about the Bills and to discuss NFL football in general.  McDermott and Beane have put a very good team together.  And Josh Allen is an amazing talent, who gives us a great chance to win every single week we play.  And that is awesome.  That being said, we looked terrible against Cincinnati last year in the playoffs.  And blew a game we should have won two years ago at KC in the playoffs in terrible fashion.  That falls on McDermott.  And the marginal O line and Defensive play the past couple of years that contributed to our downfall in the playoffs falls on McDermott and Beane in my opinion.  That doesn't mean they suck.  It means they have not been quite elite enough to get us to the finish line despite having an amazing QB. 

 

If you believe otherwise Dopey (lol) that is your prerogative.  But don't think others should not have a more critical view of things.  If it comes off as intelligent football talk, embrace it.  And btw I think this years team, is going to be the best we have had in the McBeane era.  How things turn out is anyone's guess.  But I for one am sure as hell excited to be a part of it.

[Shaw66]

22 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I would Argue that with KC Oline, Philli Oline, Josh Allen could be the best QB in the league. We do not know what the ceiling is because Josh has had a HORRIBLE line in front of him. I would dare to see Hurts, Mahomes or even better Burrows standing behind our line in the last 4 years and see what they would accomplish. 

 

13 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

it has to be so? none of this is true? are you sure? lol

 

You aggravate me sometimes, but one of the things I like about you is that you get the point.   

 

You would argue that with a different oline, Allen could be the best.   But you say "could" because you understand that it's more or less unknowable.   I mean, who knows, really, why Allen's performances are inconsistent compared to the very best QBs?  Might be oline, might be Dorsey, might be Allen.  

 

And you acknowledge that in the second quote, when you say, "are you sure?   Answer:  no, none of us can be sure.  What's really aggravating about posters is when they are unwilling to acknowledge that none of us, including ourselves, really knows.  

 

In my opinion, @GunnerBill knows more about the game and about the Bills than anyone posting regularly these days.  I'm inclined to believe most anything he says.  But not everything.  Occasionally, he'll say something that doesn't make sense.  When someone replies and explains the point, Gunner readily agrees and adjusts his thinking.  His knowledge is great, but it's his willingness to learn and change his opinion that makes him a must-read around here. 

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, CountDorkula said:

I think there are two different ares to judge McD. 
 

As a leader of men - excellent. Probably one of the best if not the best in the league. He’s a guy we all wish we had as a boss. 
 

as a football Head coach - average. Game day and roster decisions are head scratchers at times. Time out usage is confusing. Still needs improvement. 
 

 

 

I think that's a good way to start an analysis of McDermott.  

 

By football Head coach, I'm sure you mean his abilities when it comes to football, because leadership is one of the necessary characteristics of a good head coach. 

 

As for football acumen, I'd probably give him an above average, because it's hard to win that much being just average.  But I get your "average" grade.   What encourages me is that good coaches keep learning football stuff, year after year, and McDermott is a dedicated learner.   His football knowledge five years from now will be significantly better than today. 

 

I think I've told this before, but one night Scott Van Pelt asked Lebron James what he, at age 37, would say to the Lebron, age 25.  Lebron said, "I'd say, 'you don't have a clue.'"  Point is, sophistication about the technical details of these games keeps growing.  

[John from Riverside]

18 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Andy Reid was in numerous Championship games and a Super Bowl before his KC tenure AND that was with a lesser QB than Allen.

 

If Andy Reid had Josh Allen in Philly then he would have several more Super Bowl rings by this point.

Just so that I understand what you’re saying here because McDermott is not as good of a coach as Andy Reid therefore, he is a poor coach?
 

Andy Reid is going to be in the Hall of Fame

[Cray51]

On 6/11/2023 at 11:01 AM, KDIGGZ said:

Unfortunately a lot of you guys continuously get slapped in the face with a reality check and it clearly makes you upset. Negative nancies or whatever you want to call it, it's the real world saying hi. If the Bills are so great and McDermott is such a good coach and Allen is the best QB in history, then what do we have to show for it? How many super bowls? When all is said and done I don't think they are going to say the Bills made 1 AFC championship game so they are a great team. They will say the Bills are a joke, wide right and music city miracle and 13 seconds. Nobody outside Buffalo cares about the Bills until they win it all. That's reality

Reality is purely a numbers game.

 

McD Bills:

 

.639 Winning Percentage (grades out as an average 11-6 season YoY)

4 Playoffs in 5 Years

.688 Winning Percentage last 4 seasons (Allen Year2 and on)

4-5 in Playoffs

0 Super Bowl Appearances

 

To me, that reality is we have been a GOOD team that has not won in the playoffs.  Reality then shifts to perspective.  Is it due to execution? Coaching? Roster Management? Injuries?  A combination?  That is opinion based on who you ask.

 

I have plenty of friends in Tampa who like the Bills and want them to do well.  I also have plenty that dont.  So which is reality?  Maybe its in the middle.  The Bills are a good football team who have not won it all.

 

I think the real question is - were Bills fans happier when we were purely a poor team instead of a good team who haven't been the best?  That's the question I'd love a genuine response to from a lot of people on this board.