Dalvin Cook released.

[RoyBatty is alive]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

Dude was glowing about Saffold signing last year when the guy clearly sucked.

That is one you want to hide for sure.

 

He had glowing reports about all our top picks this year,  At least he had some negatives on his Cameron Denzler video..

[TheWeatherMan]

16 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

That's not how it works.  

Actually, that’s exactly how it worked.

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

 

Cover!  

 

I'm not really familiar with all the sites and pubs, is that an online magazine?   Do you have a link?  

 

 

My mistake, it’s “Cover1”  on YouTube, they do a lot of Bills content

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

31 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

 

No he hasn't.  If he goes to Miami, God help the league.

 

That's not how it works.  

 

Overreaction

[billsbackto81]

He'll be hurt most of the year but come back just in time to play Buffalo.

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, mrags said:

Yeah except when McD refuses to allow his QB to pass the ball like the Pats game 2 years ago when we lost to Max Jones throwing 3 passes all game. 
 

we were ran all over against the Bengals in the divisional round last year and the .13 second game as well. 

 

Have you lost your mind, or are you just simply making stuff up out of thin air with no basis in reality? I suggest you go look at the play by play of games...if anything there are times we pass too MUCH, not too little 

Edited June 8, 2023 by Big Turk

[RoyBatty is alive]

4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Have you lost your mind, or are you just simply making stuff up out of thin air with no basis in reality? I suggest you go look at the play by play of games...if anything there are times we pass too MUCH, not too little 

His/her comments are accurate, discussing one specific game, in the wind game vs New England we barely passed the ball at all and that is why we lost.  All this hoopla about how we drafted Josh because he is big and strong and need him for buffalo weather and when we get the opportunity, we only start throwing when the game was out of hand.

[newcam2012]

6 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Have you lost your mind, or are you just simply making stuff up out of thin air with no basis in reality? I suggest you go look at the play by play of games...if anything there are times we pass too MUCH, not too little 

I feel like the first year Dorsey lead offense didn't have an identity. It was her sporadic for game to game and half to half. 

 

I get game plans change depending on the opponent. Dorsey seemed to be a bit lost and called plays almost like it was back yard football. I get sone of that because Allen of tennis his best improvising. 

 

I kind of feel at times the Bills ran too much and at times passed too much. I can see both sides of the argument. 

[Big Turk]

7 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

His/her comments are accurate, discussing one specific game, in the wind game vs New England we barely passed the ball at all and that is why we lost.  All this hoopla about how we drafted Josh because he is big and strong and need him for buffalo weather and when we get the opportunity, we only start throwing when the game was out of hand.

 

Actually the Bills started opening up the passing game in that one and if Diggs catches a very catchable ball in the end zone we likely win...

 

The game was 14-10 and the only time it was more than a 4 point lead was when the Pats score their first TD and got a 2 point conversion to make it 8-0.

 

The Bills scored immediately after to make it 8-7. That was with a little more than 2 mins left in quarter one.

 

It then went to 11-7, 11-10 and 14-10. 

 

I'm not sure how the game was "out of hand" with a max 4 point lead for more than 3 quarters.

 

It's kinda crazy how people just make up whatever they need to that fits the narrative they have written in their own mind, facts be damned.

 

 

4 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I feel like the first year Dorsey lead offense didn't have an identity. It was her sporadic for game to game and half to half. 

 

I get game plans change depending on the opponent. Dorsey seemed to be a bit lost and called plays almost like it was back yard football. I get sone of that because Allen of tennis his best improvising. 

 

I kind of feel at times the Bills ran too much and at times passed too much. I can see both sides of the argument. 

 

The only time the Bills seemingly ran a lot last year was when the passing game was struggling, like the Bears game. Towards the end of the year they were throwing 50 yard bombs on 3rd and 1 plays.

Edited June 8, 2023 by Big Turk

[RoyBatty is alive]

9 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Actually the Bills started opening up the passing game in that one and if Diggs catches a very catchable ball in the end zone we likely win...

 

The game was 14-10 and the only time it was more than a 4 point lead was when the Pats score their first TD and got a 2 point conversion to make it 8-0.

 

The Bills scored immediately after to make it 8-7. It then went to 11-7, 11-10 and 14-10. 

 

I'm not sure how the game was "out of hand" with a max 4 point lead for more than 3 quarters.

 

It's kinda crazy how people just make up whatever they need to that fits the narrative they have written in their own mind.

 

 

When you HAVE to throw the ball in that wind which we did at the end, then at that point the game was out of hand.  I am not making up anything to fit a narrative, but if that makes you feel better to denigrate me, go for it. 

 

There was a reason, coaching decisions, imo how we lost a modern NFL home  game  versus a weak armed rookie QB versus a strong armed QB of ours when the Pats throw the ball three times, almost comical.   We should have beat them by 20.  I recall in the locker room Belichek was downright giddy because he knew he got away with one.   IMO  McD waited too long to open it up to pass, you disagree fine by me.

Edited June 8, 2023 by RoyBatty is alive

[mrags]

22 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Have you lost your mind, or are you just simply making stuff up out of thin air with no basis in reality? I suggest you go look at the play by play of games...if anything there are times we pass too MUCH, not too little 

The comment was in regards to McDs defense and coaching blunders. And no, we really don’t pass to much. This is a QB driven league. Allen was 9th overall in pass attempts last season and was 6th overall in avg/completion. One could argue that with more attempts he could have easily surpassed 4500 yards. And his 35 passing TDs which ranked 2nd. Btw Mahomes, Burrow, Brady, Cousins, Goff, and Smith all had more attempts. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

I don't think Cincy was an outlier tbh...Mostert and the Dolphins went for 136 too

 

67 of the mostert yards came on one play.  

[mrags]

21 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

His/her comments are accurate, discussing one specific game, in the wind game vs New England we barely passed the ball at all and that is why we lost.  All this hoopla about how we drafted Josh because he is big and strong and need him for buffalo weather and when we get the opportunity, we only start throwing when the game was out of hand.

This. Thank you 

[Big Turk]

9 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

When you HAVE to throw the ball in that wind which we did at the end, then at that point the game was out of hand.  I am not making up anything to fit a narrative, but if that makes you feel better to denigrate me, go for it. 

 

There was a reason, coaching decisions, imo how we lost a modern NFL home  game  versus a weak armed rookie QB versus a strong armed QB of ours when the Pats throw the ball three times, almost comical.   We should have beat them by 20.  I recall in the locker room Belichek was downright giddy because he knew he got away with one.   IMO  McD waited too long to open it up to pass, you disagree fine by me.

 

They literally had a first down at the Patriots 14 yard line late in the game BECAUSE they started passing on a drive that covered 62 yards to that point...

Edited June 8, 2023 by Big Turk

[mrags]

18 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Actually the Bills started opening up the passing game in that one and if Diggs catches a very catchable ball in the end zone we likely win...

 

The game was 14-10 and the only time it was more than a 4 point lead was when the Pats score their first TD and got a 2 point conversion to make it 8-0.

 

The Bills scored immediately after to make it 8-7. That was with a little more than 2 mins left in quarter one.

 

It then went to 11-7, 11-10 and 14-10. 

 

I'm not sure how the game was "out of hand" with a max 4 point lead for more than 3 quarters.

 

It's kinda crazy how people just make up whatever they need to that fits the narrative they have written in their own mind, facts be damned.

 

 

 

The only time the Bills seemingly ran a lot last year was when the passing game was struggling, like the Bears game. Towards the end of the year they were throwing 50 yard bombs on 3rd and 1 plays.

I was at that wind game. The Bills were never in it from almost the start. Because McD was scared to pass the ball. 

11 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

When you HAVE to throw the ball in that wind which we did at the end, then at that point the game was out of hand.  I am not making up anything to fit a narrative, but if that makes you feel better to denigrate me, go for it. 

 

There was a reason, coaching decisions, imo how we lost a modern NFL home  game  versus a weak armed rookie QB versus a strong armed QB of ours when the Pats throw the ball three times, almost comical.   We should have beat them by 20.  I recall in the locker room Belichek was downright giddy because he knew he got away with one.   IMO  McD waited too long to open it up to pass, you disagree fine by me.

Thank you 

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

They literally had a first down at the Patriots 14 yard line late in the game BECAUSE they started passing on a drive that covered 62 yards to that point...

I am not going to dissect and nit pick  the game, I have already stated ny my opinion which was formed as I watched it.  You disagree fine.

[mrags]

3 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

67 of the mostert yards came on one play.  

How about the 180 yards that n the loss to KC in the .13 second game?

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

I think that pointing out that it took their current two guys COMBINED to match Dalvin's production sort of proves that he's a superior player.

As for the question of "Does he get them more wins?", well...yeah, maybe. It's inherently difficult to meaningfully tie a concept like "more wins" to the signing of a player. Like...does Leonard Floyd get the Bills more wins? Well...yeah, maybe.

If opposing teams bring an extra defender into the box more often (because they fear Cook more than Mostert or Wilson) and it allows Waddle or Hill to go against just one deep safety...yes, that could absolutely result in more wins.

As for cost, the Dolphins are middle of the pack in cap space. 16th. They can afford him, and they believe they're in a "win now" window.

 

No - it demonstrates that one player getting a similar amount of touches and targets vs. two players sharing those same touches and targets doesn't really affect the yards you get from the running back position.  

Edited June 8, 2023 by Bleeding Bills Blue

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

17 minutes ago, mrags said:

How about the 180 yards that n the loss to KC in the .13 second game?

 

How about the bears having 80 yards rushing with the #1 rush offense in the league?  Browns had 80 yards with the #6 rush offense in the league.  Titans had 80 yards, Lions had sub 100 yards.  Miami had 2 sub-50 yard rushing games against buffalo.  

 

There's going to be ebbs and flows to a season, and the biggest rush plays in that KC game were Mahomes scrambles and a hardman reverse.  I don't think teams are going to look at Buffalo's defense and think that we can just run all over you and beat you.  It's not the best rush defense, but it is also not a bad unit.  

Edited June 8, 2023 by Bleeding Bills Blue

[mjt328]

Not really interested in adding Dalvin Cook.

I really like our current group of backs, and would prefer the cap space goes somewhere else.

 

By pretty much every metric, James Cook was actually better as a rookie than his brother was.  He deserves a chance to make his own legacy:

Dalvin in 2017:  354 yards, 4.8 ypc, 2 tds, 11 receptions

James in 2022:  507 yards, 5.7 ypc, 2 tds, 21 receptions