Dalvin Cook released.

[Royale with Cheese]

42 minutes ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said:

he's dropped off

 

I don't remember which specific analytic stat but as far as efficiency, I believe he was one of the worst.  That was from Nate Geary on WGR. 

[Logic]

2 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Dolphins just resigned Mostert and Wilson to two year contracts, drafted a RB in the 3rd round and have a 4th RB on a cheap rookie contract.  Which one are they parting ways with to make room for Cook? 

Myles Gaskin would be gone in a heartbeat.

Cook, Mostert, Wilson, Achane. 

 

That's the depth chart.

[nucci]

4 minutes ago, Logic said:

Myles Gaskin would be gone in a heartbeat.

Cook, Mostert, Wilson, Achane. 

 

That's the depth chart.

Plus Mostert and Wilson get injured often

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, mrags said:

So absolutely no different than it has been since McDermott has been the HC. His defensive play style allows it. 
 

hope it’s wrong and he shows something different this season but I don’t see it. 

 

We were 6th in the league against the run last year.

[TheWeatherMan]

Just now, Logic said:

Myles Gaskin would be gone in a heartbeat.

Cook, Mostert, Wilson, Achane. 

 

That's the depth chart.

Maybe, but what does Cook add to the current stable of RB’s?  I for one will be surprised if Miami signs him.  When you have 2 top 10 WR’s on your roster there’s no reason to have 3 above average RB’s (possibly 4 based on how rook plays).  When Miami drafted Achane I think it quite possibly removed Cook as an option.  Standing by to eat crow.  

[RoyBatty is alive]

9 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

The way he was going though I think he would have won OROY over Wilson. JD really hit a grand slam in that draft unfortunately.

See how great that draft looks in three years.  Vince Young was OROY and was out of the league soon there after.

[TheWeatherMan]

3 minutes ago, nucci said:

Plus Mostert and Wilson get injured often

Then why resign them both to two year contracts this off-season?  

[PBF81]

1 minute ago, mrags said:

So absolutely no different than it has been since McDermott has been the HC. His defensive play style allows it. 
 

hope it’s wrong and he shows something different this season but I don’t see it. 

 

Yeah, I don't either.  

 

Here's my take on McD taking over.  He's said something about a more attacking defense which Frasier apparently didn't have.  Not sure I believe that, but that's moot at this point.  

 

McD's D in Carolina, where he had some very good talent, arguably more than we have here, and Kuechly at MLB, is Ds ranked perfectly average 15th/16th in his six seasons there in pass D.   His run Ds about the same, perhaps marginally better.  

 

 

[Big Turk]

10 minutes ago, mrags said:

So absolutely no different than it has been since McDermott has been the HC. His defensive play style allows it. 
 

hope it’s wrong and he shows something different this season but I don’t see it. 

 

If teams want to run against us then good luck. They will find themselves down 3 scores by halftime most games.

[PBF81]

10 minutes ago, Logic said:

Myles Gaskin would be gone in a heartbeat.

Cook, Mostert, Wilson, Achane. 

 

That's the depth chart.

 

Cook would be an upgrade over Mostert and Gaskin combined.  

 

 

[wjag]

Dang, if the Dolphins or Jets get him, they're adding a dangerous piece.  Please stay in the NFC..  Carolina needs an RB1..  Go there..

[nucci]

5 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Then why resign them both to two year contracts this off-season?  

I don't know. Wasn't my call. Still good players

[Logic]

8 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Maybe, but what does Cook add to the current stable of RB’s?  

He had 1400 yards from scrimmage and 10 touchdowns last year. He's coming off of four straight Pro Bowls. He's just 27 years old.

In my opinion, he's worlds better than Mostert or Wilson. I don't think either of them has ever even sniffed that kind of production in a single season. If I was a Dolphins fan, I'd want Dalvin Cook on my team. 

I see a lot of fans underrating and underselling Cook in this thread (not you, but others). He's still VERY good. One of the top running backs in the league. An offense with Hill and Waddle out wide and Cook/Achane in the backfield is downright scary, no matter how much people may want to disparage Tua or whomever.

You may be right that they feel "set" at RB. They shouldn't. They should sign this elite running back that's about to fall into their laps. Just my opinion.

 

Edited June 8, 2023 by Logic

[PBF81]

5 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Maybe, but what does Cook add to the current stable of RB’s?  I for one will be surprised if Miami signs him.  When you have 2 top 10 WR’s on your roster there’s no reason to have 3 above average RB’s (possibly 4 based on how rook plays).  When Miami drafted Achane I think it quite possibly removed Cook as an option.  Standing by to eat crow.  

 

I'm not sure I'd consider any RB currently on their roster to be above-average.  I guess it depends upon how "above-average" is defined, Mostert did OK but hardly great in his first year of starting, but he's also old for a RB.  Who knows about Achane, but until he proves himself at the NFL level.  I'd probably keep him over either Mostert or Gaskin, but if I'm them and can add Cook, who also catches well, IMO that's a significant upgrade, and he's unquestionably a 3-down RB.  We don't even have that.  

 

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

3 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Yeah, I don't either.  

 

Here's my take on McD taking over.  He's said something about a more attacking defense which Frasier apparently didn't have.  Not sure I believe that, but that's moot at this point.  

 

McD's D in Carolina, where he had some very good talent, arguably more than we have here, and Kuechly at MLB, is Ds ranked perfectly average 15th/16th in his six seasons there in pass D.   His run Ds about the same, perhaps marginally better.  

 

 

So McDermott was an average defensive coordinator at Carolina, the way people talk about him like was he Buddy Ryan in 1985.   And we have massive question marks at MLB and I am a major fan of Dorian Williams.

[mrags]

10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

We were 6th in the league against the run last year.

When your up double digits in points a lot other teams generally don’t run against you. 

[PBF81]

2 minutes ago, Logic said:

He had 1400 yards from scrimmage and 10 touchdowns last year. He's coming off of four straight Pro Bowls. He's just 27 years old.

In my opinion, he's worlds better than Mostert or Wilson. I don't think either of them has ever even sniffed that kind of production in a single season. If I was a Dolphins fan, I'd want Dalvin Cook on my team. 

I see a lot of fans underrating and underselling Cook in this thread (not you, but others). He's still VERY good. One of the top running backs in the league. An offense with Hill and Waddle out wide and Cook/Achane in the backfield is downright scary, no matter how much people may want to disparage Tua or whomever.

 

 

Great point!  He had almost as many rushing yards and yards-from-scrimmage as Mostert and Wilson combined.  He also had one more TD than both combined.  

 

 

[mrags]

10 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Yeah, I don't either.  

 

Here's my take on McD taking over.  He's said something about a more attacking defense which Frasier apparently didn't have.  Not sure I believe that, but that's moot at this point.  

 

McD's D in Carolina, where he had some very good talent, arguably more than we have here, and Kuechly at MLB, is Ds ranked perfectly average 15th/16th in his six seasons there in pass D.   His run Ds about the same, perhaps marginally better.  

 

 

So with better talent he was generally ranked worse than we are. Great. Just what I needed to hear. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, Logic said:

He had 1400 yards from scrimmage and 10 touchdowns last year. He's coming off of four straight Pro Bowls. He's just 27 years old.

In my opinion, he's worlds better than Mostert or Wilson. I don't think either of them has ever even sniffed that kind of production in a single season. If I was a Dolphins fan, I'd want Dalvin Cook on my team. 

I see a lot of fans underrating and underselling Cook in this thread (not you, but others). He's still VERY good. One of the top running backs in the league. An offense with Hill and Waddle out wide and Cook/Achane in the backfield is downright scary, no matter how much people may want to disparage Tua or whomever.

 

 

Mostert and Wilson: 1579 yards from scrimmage and 9 TDs, Wilson was only there for 8 games too.   Wilson had 1045 scrimmage yards last year across SF and Miami. 

 

Does adding Cook get them more yards? what about more wins? What is the cost to adding him? 

[PBF81]

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

I see a lot of fans underrating and underselling Cook in this thread (not you, but others). He's still VERY good. One of the top running backs in the league. An offense with Hill and Waddle out wide and Cook/Achane in the backfield is downright scary, no matter how much people may want to disparage Tua or whomever.

 

Funny the difference from when the discussion's about him coming to us in past threads.  LOL