Former first round picks on our defensive line

[AuntieEm]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Agreed.  Stay healthy and our D will be a menace 

And I am expecting our offense to be improved and it already was very good.  Our defense is gonna feast as the opponents won't have much choice but to pass and trying to keep up with the Allen's will cause major opponent discombobulations.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

18 hours ago, AuntieEm said:

 

  Not sure I'd consider the efforts of all 4 are consistently of a 1st round caliber of defensive player for me.  Of the 4 I'd say Von was the most consistent but he's also the talented veteran so I'd expect him to be consistent on experience alone.  Did we have an y other 1st rounders back in  the Bruce Smith years on defense?  I don't recall that we did.  I know we did get Bennett but he was a lb not dl.

 

Art Still was the #2 pick in the draft

18 hours ago, AuntieEm said:

 

  Not sure I'd consider the efforts of all 4 are consistently of a 1st round caliber of defensive player for me.  Of the 4 I'd say Von was the most consistent but he's also the talented veteran so I'd expect him to be consistent on experience alone.  Did we have an y other 1st rounders back in  the Bruce Smith years on defense?  I don't recall that we did.  I know we did get Bennett but he was a lb not dl.

 

Smerlas and Hansen were second rounders

[Gugny]

19 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

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how about that

Was Von Miller picked in the 90s?

[boyst]

I'm glad others brought up Ray and Lawson. The former is equal to that San Diego linebacker who came here and did nothing several years ago. The latter equal to Chris Kelsey. 

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, boyst said:

I'm glad others brought up Ray and Lawson. The former is equal to that San Diego linebacker who came here and did nothing several years ago. The latter equal to Chris Kelsey. 

Ok.. guess that’s why they are getting the minimum and are battling to make the team 

[The Jokeman]

19 hours ago, AuntieEm said:

 

  Not sure I'd consider the efforts of all 4 are consistently of a 1st round caliber of defensive player for me.  Of the 4 I'd say Von was the most consistent but he's also the talented veteran so I'd expect him to be consistent on experience alone.  Did we have an y other 1st rounders back in  the Bruce Smith years on defense?  I don't recall that we did.  I know we did get Bennett but he was a lb not dl.

 

LB Conlan, Jim Jeffcoat and Ted Washington were 1sts, Smerlas, Hansen were 2nds. Toss in Henry Jones was a 1st and the constant influx of CBs that were 1sts. Bruce has talent around him. Mind you the best pass rusher he played with Paup was a 6th. 

[AuntieEm]

2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

LB Conlan, Jim Jeffcoat and Ted Washington were 1sts, Smerlas, Hansen were 2nds. Toss in Henry Jones was a 1st and the constant influx of CBs that were 1sts. Bruce has talent around him. Mind you the best pass rusher he played with Paup was a 6th. 

Well I know we had other 1st rounders on defense I meant on the dline with him.

Edited June 7, 2023 by AuntieEm

[The Jokeman]

Just now, AuntieEm said:

Well I know we had other 1st rounders on defense I meant on the dine with him.

Jim Jeffcoat and Ted Washington are the only that come to mind.

[boyst]

2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Ok.. guess that’s why they are getting the minimum and are battling to make the team 

What do you mean? That Sean dude linebacker was terrible by the time he got here. Too small and beat up, just like ray. And then Chris Kelsey was always overpaid an underrated, well Lawson is underrated and underpaid. I was not insulting either one of them. Just the truth

[AuntieEm]

7 minutes ago, boyst said:

I'm glad others brought up Ray and Lawson. The former is equal to that San Diego linebacker who came here and did nothing several years ago. The latter equal to Chris Kelsey. 

 Shawne Merriman.

 

Edited June 7, 2023 by AuntieEm

[Aussie Joe]

6 minutes ago, boyst said:

What do you mean? That Sean dude linebacker was terrible by the time he got here. Too small and beat up, just like ray. And then Chris Kelsey was always overpaid an underrated, well Lawson is underrated and underpaid. I was not insulting either one of them. Just the truth

Well .. I’m confused now… are you comparing  Kelsey to Lawson or not ?Your first post does and this one doesn’t? 

[boyst]

1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

Well .. I’m confused now… are you comparing  Kelsey to Lawson or not ?Your first post does and this one doesn’t? 

Yes. Lawson is Kelsey. Kelsey was overpaid and overvalued by our FO. But he was also underappreciated by our fanbase. 

[Aussie Joe]

Just now, boyst said:

Yes. Lawson is Kelsey. Kelsey was overpaid and overvalued by our FO. But he was also underappreciated by our fanbase. 

Meh.. I wouldn’t appreciate overpaid and over valued players either 

[vincec]

13 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

LB Conlan, Jim Jeffcoat and Ted Washington were 1sts, Smerlas, Hansen were 2nds. Toss in Henry Jones was a 1st and the constant influx of CBs that were 1sts. Bruce has talent around him. Mind you the best pass rusher he played with Paup was a 6th. 

Better than Bennett you think? Bennett was a #2 overall pick and had a much longer track record of success than Paup, who only really had the one great year for the Bills.

Edited June 8, 2023 by vincec

[vincec]

13 hours ago, AuntieEm said:

Well I know we had other 1st rounders on defense I meant on the dline with him.

In a 3-4 defense, the OLBs are basically the same as Von Miller or Hughes are/were in the 4-3.

 

Bennett-Still-Smerlas-Smith-Talley … a #1 overall, two #2 overalls, and two 2nd round picks. A lot of investment, and for my money, the best defensive front the Bills have ever had.

Edited June 8, 2023 by vincec

[machine gun kelly]

On 6/6/2023 at 11:09 PM, AuntieEm said:

 

  Not sure I'd consider the efforts of all 4 are consistently of a 1st round caliber of defensive player for me.  Of the 4 I'd say Von was the most consistent but he's also the talented veteran so I'd expect him to be consistent on experience alone.  Did we have an y other 1st rounders back in  the Bruce Smith years on defense?  I don't recall that we did.  I know we did get Bennett but he was a lb not dl.

 

Em, you’re probably not used to Floyd yet, but the guy once he got the heck out of Chicago has compiled 29.5 sacks in the last 3 years.  He’s an underrated addition to this team.  
 

On paper this may be the most talented defense in McD 7 years.  I understand the speed angle McBeane is shooting for in Dorian and Bernard.  We have 1st and 2nd team all pros at all 3 levels.  Von, Milano, Hyde, Poyer, and Tre.  We also have one of the top Nickel CBs in Taron.  We have a great big Nickel when we want power and cover skills swapping Rapp for Taron when we face heavy 12 personnel and running teams.

 

I just don’t know how people Arent a little excited about a historically too 3 defense for the last 5 years and now May reach the #1 slot.

 

On offense we no have a real 12 option and upgraded our G’s in McGovern and Mt. O Cyrus.

 

I guess the question marks comes down to Spencer finally healed his neck and back and has an entire off season to take the leap to the next level.  We also are the 2nd WR as a question.  Was the ankle really holding him back last year.  If so, can Harty stay healthy, can Sherfield make an impact?  Can Davis ascend a true #2?

 

Those are my only real questions.  It’s June so I remain hopeful.

[Billy Claude]

There seems to be an assumption in this thread that a 34 year old Von Miller will return to somewhere close to his pre-injury form this year.   To me this is fairly unlikely, and undoubtedly one of the reasons they brought in Leonard Floyd.

[The Jokeman]

2 hours ago, vincec said:

Better than Bennett you think? Bennett was a #2 overall pick and had a much longer track record of success than Paup, who only really had the one great year for the Bills.

Bennett never reach double digits in sacks in a single season, Paul did twice. Toss in Paup had more seasons with at least 6 seasons. I think Bennett was a tad over rated. 

[Manther]

On 6/6/2023 at 11:14 PM, Doc Brown said:

Plus, you know, the guy we drafted in the first round.  Shaq's career and perception among Bills fans is truly unique for an underwhelming Bills first round pick.

Shane Ray too.  Maybe we can pry Maybin away from his art career.

Awesome!

[SoMAn]

On 6/6/2023 at 10:25 PM, John from Riverside said:

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floyd

 

how about that

I put no import on draft position or their accomplishments at age 20 after they’ve become vetrans. Should we minimize Milano’s status, being a mid-late draft pick?