Leslie Frazier visits with 3 teams

[Saxum]

3 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Leslie Frazier has been in football longer than I have been alive. He’s halfway to 70 years old. Do you buy the “learning year”? Do you think he really believes that bailing on a coordinator position to do the NFL rounds as an unattached coach is the best path to a head coaching position? Maybe he’ll get hired as a head coach next season because of this accelerator program, but if Vegas had odds on it, it wouldn’t be pretty. 

 

I don’t dispute your second point. Coaches are notorious for sleeping in offices and being around their players/assistants far more than their own family. But as to the bolded, what have I said that was stated as factual but wasn’t?

 

This.  It is your conclusion not what his reasons are.  Maybe you made it too general which makes it looks like an interpretation.  I am old (2 years less than Leslie) and used to be an editor (UB) & assistant to the editor (Courier Express) so I tend to look at what is fact and what is speculation more than others.  

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But what it shows overall is that he’s not stepping away from the game like he initially suggested. 

 

https://heavy.com/sports/buffalo-bills/leslie-frazier-coach-packers-team-vists/

 

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As for why he’s visiting various teams during organized team activities (OTAs) and training camp, “It just gives me a chance to see things from a different perspective, get recharged again and reenergized,” Frazier said in the May 30 story. “And then in the fall, I will really begin to take a look at what’s happening around the league, make sure I stay up on any new trends, anything that’s changing.”

 

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“Hopefully, an owner will give me a chance to talk to him about an opportunity,” the ’85 Bears legend said. “If that doesn’t happen, I’m good. I’ve had a good career. I’m good. My goal is to be a head coach. I know I don’t have much time left. I’m at an age where it seems like owners are going younger and younger, but I think I have some things I can bring to the table. We’ll see what happens.”

 

 

[GreggTX]

My money is on the Giants.

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Combination of age and being a DC for a HC that was a DC has done him in. Rightly or wrongly any success he has had will be attributed to McD and any failures will be assigned to him. 

It would take a very exceptional set of circumstances for him to get another HC job. 

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, wppete said:

Zero chance he gets a HC or DC job. 

I can see a DC job coming his way, but HC will be hard given his age and the trend towards offensive coaches

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

I called it the day after the season …

 

This was the best case scenario of how it went down

Ya I think McD got in Beanes ear and said enough is enough and that he has the confidence he can take this D to another level, with full control.  Which is hard considering how good they been but we all know they fell short in many big games

 

Even looking at Fraziers demeanor,  he rarely or never shows emotion or intensity and that showed through the years, even though they were a great unit.

 

McD will bring that intensity 

Edited June 6, 2023 by JerseyBills

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, transient said:

Looking more and more like the Bills and Frazier tried to find a way of moving on while crafting a narrative that would be the least damaging to his future coaching prospects. 

Who are they sparring him damage from though? lol his family?

Like other GMs are going to think he wasnt fired lol getting fired is hardly a death sentence anyway. Good coordinators get fired non stop.

Glad we did him classy I guess, seems like a good dude, loved in locker room, but a move that needed to be done. Ill be cheering for him elsewhere

[Saxum]

1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Who are they sparring him damage from though? lol his family?

Like other GMs are going to think he wasnt fired lol getting fired is hardly a death sentence anyway. Good coordinators get fired non stop.

Glad we did him classy I guess, seems like a good dude, loved in locker room, but a move that needed to be done. Ill be cheering for him elsewhere

 

His contract ended.  He was not fired.  The reason given was reason he was not coaching this year.

[Einstein]

Yeah, Leslie didn’t “step away”.

 
He got shoved out.

2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

You are not just relaying the news. You are acting like some reporters do who report something and then state what they think is going on as a fact.

 

He is taking a hiatus which is stepping away from coaching this year.  Coaching positions take a lot of hours which is why many players do not go into coaching post career.  

 

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

Ya I think McD got in Beanes ear and said enough is enough and that he has the confidence he can take this D to another level, with full control. 

 

I don’t think McD needs Beane’s permission.

[GunnerBill]

10 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

Following the league’s annual head coach accelerator program. So much for spending time at home and taking the year off to assess.
 

https://sports.yahoo.com/former-bills-coach-leslie-frazier-144540446.html

 

Err, I think this proves exactly his point. He wanted to take time to do things that maximise his opportunity to be a Head Coach next year. He has done that by visiting three different teams, looking at how different staffs work and meeting three different ownership groups. He couldn't have done that if employed as the Bills DC. 

 

Far from contradicting the reason he gave for leaving, it actually supports it. 

10 hours ago, wppete said:

Zero chance he gets a HC or DC job. 

 

If he wants a DC job he will walk into one. I doubt he will ever be a HC again and it sounds like it is that or retirement. 

[ProcessTruster]

10 hours ago, Gugny said:

The most polite firing of all time. 

followed only by Heath Farwell, who shouldn't have even been allowed onto the team plane after his screw up in 13 seconds.  

[TAinLack.]

9 hours ago, eball said:

Leslie Frazier is a good man and a good football coach.  I think he’s kidding himself about getting another shot as a HC but I respect him pursuing his dream.  I do believe he has coached his last game for the Bills.

 

I agree with this comment and wishing him the very best as he moves forward.  For the Bills at this point - it was addition by subtraction and it will be interesting to compare McD's results this season!

[Beast]

10 hours ago, wppete said:

Zero chance he gets a HC or DC job. 

Oh, I think he very well could get a DC job.

[nucci]

So he doesn't want a year off? Basically he was politely fired

[Mr. WEO]

How many 70 year olds with 24 years of NFL coaching experience at every level were at the "accelerator" program?

[Homey D. Clown]

that was easily a very calculated soft landing firing.  Seriously.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, nucci said:

So he doesn't want a year off? Basically he was politely fired

 

Yes he does. So that he can go and look at what other teams are doing. This is exactly why he wanted the year off.

[Simon Says]

Just fire the guy and own up to it. Bills haven't fooled anybody with this "taking a year off " crap. 

[benderbender]

My question is who exactly do the Bills/Frazier think they're outsmarting? 31 NFL teams? Or one fanbase?

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Err, I think this proves exactly his point. He wanted to take time to do things that maximise his opportunity to be a Head Coach next year. He has done that by visiting three different teams, looking at how different staffs work and meeting three different ownership groups. He couldn't have done that if employed as the Bills DC. 

 

Far from contradicting the reason he gave for leaving, it actually supports it. 

 

If he wants a DC job he will walk into one. I doubt he will ever be a HC again and it sounds like it is that or retirement. 

I think this is ridiculous.  He’s going to get a HC job by talking to other coaching staffs to see how staffs work?  His best (and only) chance to be a HC would be to coach this D to a SB imo.  
 
Why step out of the league for a year at his age if is goal was  How would that get him a HC?  Talking to people?  🤷🏻‍♂️ doesn’t seem like a smart idea to me. 
 

I agree that he’ll have another DC position next year (if that’s what he wants).  If he wanted a DC job….. he had one.  A great one with a loaded D and SB aspirations.  
 

McD wanted to make changes to the D and call the plays.  Leslie would’ve taken a hit to his reputation (and his chances of becoming a HC) if that was announced.  
 

I really can’t believe people think this was all Leslie’s decision.  Do you believe this was Leslie’s decision and that McD is only calling plays due to the timing of it all?  
 

The writing was on the wall.  It was time for change.  McD wanted full control of the D.  He has it.