Ed Oliver big extension

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

He's had 4 years to improve on it. Now he has another 4 years to not improve on it.

cute.. but if they didn't see he was improving already? This contract never happens... Words Mean nothing in football... Contracts talk.

[Einstein]

32 minutes ago, Augie said:

I love this, if just for the entertainment value on the Board! It should be priceless!!! One for the ages, even!  😋

 

I'm trying not to lose my mind.

 

*calm thoughts, Einstein, calm thoughts*

[LABILLBACKER]

2 minutes ago, LEBills said:

I’m certainly not against signing Ed long term like this, but I think letting him play out his contract year and then having the franchise tag in your pocket if he popped was the best move. The justification for doing this now would be if we were making more cap room to add a DHop or other piece whatever that may be. But I think they just value him more than most on the board do.

Sean will always value his underperforming defensive players over anything remotely offensive. It's how he's wired.

[Pirate Angel]

21 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Good teams who want to stay good, Draft, Develop and then sign their own players.  

 

This is the goal of every organization.  I imagine this will help get cap space for this season because 1.4 m is not going to work.

They used the # 9 pick to draft a penetrating DT that gets 2.5 sacks a year...they developed him to continue to get low production. Not to sure this is what good teams do.

[sven233]

So, with the entirety of the contract (including this year), his value comes in as the 16th highest DT in the league.  With 32 teams in the NFL, he's getting upper/midtier money for a #1 DT.  While he's not a top 10 DT or anything like that, he is a solid player and does have games every year that he seems to just take over.  That said, there are other games you don't know that he's playing in.  Like so many guys on our team, it is about him finding consistency.  He has to find a way to have those dominant games on a more regular basis. 

 

But the fact is, he was going to be a FA at the end of the season and this is what happens in the NFL when contracts come up......lesser guys make more money than it seems they should and then they get passed by from other contracts and other players.  The cap is skyrocketing and agents know this.  The money is going to get bigger and bigger at every position and even guys that you don't think should get paid will GET PAID.  It was Oliver's turn and good for him and his family.  Hopefully he balls out and becomes the player we hope he will because if he does, the contract won't look nearly that bad.  But yes, that's the gamble that Beane took here.  Just have to hope it pays off.

Edited June 3, 2023 by sven233

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, Capco said:

This move:

1. keeps the DT position foreseeably stable
2. might free up some cap space this year
   • the guaranteed money is always what you look at, not the total salary
   • does the $45mil figure include the $10mil from his rookie contract since that was already fully guaranteed?
   • how much much of the guaranteed money is from the signing bonus?
3. probably gives us an manageable out in 3 years, so think of it more as a 2 year extension
4. gives us some off-season entertainment

Did no one tell you you're not allowed to insert logic into your post on TBD?  

[klos63]

7 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Literally almost ***** myself when I saw the Schefter update.  Thought it was for Hopkins

a bit of an overreaction, eh?

[MikePJ76]

 

[GoBills808]

This is pretty in keeping w the FO philosophy of extending good scheme fits/process guys who probably have more value here than to other teams because they lack elite NFL traits

 

The way the league is trending it seems like an outdated approach imo

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, Capco said:

This move:

1. keeps the DT position foreseeably stable

 

Signing an average DT that gives us the same production that Oliver does for less money would also keep it stable.

[BillsFanForever19]

39 minutes ago, Beast said:

Huh. A lot of money for a guy that hasn’t made a play that changed a game in my memory.

 

Really? Because he completely took over the Thanksgiving game just last November.

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-dt-ed-oliver-named-afc-defensive-player-of-the-week

[MAJBobby]

If the structure is such that low cap this year this is one move I thought they would have to do to get DHop space. 
 

his cap hit was always the one I came to in order to find space. 

Edited June 3, 2023 by MAJBobby

[PrimeTime101]

2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Sean will always value his underperforming defensive players over anything remotely offensive. It's how he's wired.

Your delusional if you think this is on McD. The Bills analytic team goes over these things... McD and his staff goes over these things... Claiming a HC is underperforming Defensive players over anything on offense is really every part of wrong. 

[akcash]

Ed does show up on tape when you focus on him. 

[klos63]

Were there any reasonable alternatives out there?

[Freddie's Dead]

17M a year for this POS?  YGBFKM.  What a joke.  ***** McBeane on this one.  Time to get off your ass Eddie.  To paraphrase another Buffalo Bill, EARN YOUR *****IN' CONTRACT!!!

[MikePJ76]

3 minutes ago, Pirate Angel said:

They used the # 9 pick to draft a penetrating DT that gets 2.5 sacks a year...they developed him to continue to get low production. Not to sure this is what good teams do.

 

Well if you study the good teams, they develop and sign their own.  Not everyone is a superstar or all pro player.  DT is a tricky position in the nfl and I imagine compared to who will be available in the draft next year and in free agency they liked the player enough to keep him here.  

 

This is not a contract that will stop the bills from being active in free agency nor will it cost them players on the roster they want to keep long term.

 

[LABILLBACKER]

32 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Must not have watched the Thanksgiving game this year. He literally won that game for us 

I can't wait for the 5 good games he plays out of 17.  

[Einstein]

34 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Must not have watched the Thanksgiving game this year. He literally won that game for us 

 

That's great, but unfortunately the season is more than 1 week long.

[Capco]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

Signing an average DT that gives us the same production that Oliver does for less money would also keep it stable.

 

But if Oliver lives up to his potential and blows it out of the water, then we have a top 10 DT on a very reasonable contract.  If he doesn't, then we still have a decent DT and can probably move on in 3 years.

The risk-reward balance is a factor.  If you have a crystal ball and know with absolute certainty that Oliver will never get any better, then it would seem obvious that this wasn't a good move.