JerseyBills Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Virgil said: Shouldn’t your DT make your DE’s better, not the other way around? Well Von gets double teamed instead of Ed. If I remember correctly, Ed was elite in 1 on 1 win ratios for dts 1 Quote
PBF81 Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Motorin' said: Yeah... But might it be 68 across 5 season, making it 13.5 per? 4 Years, $45M guaranteed, about $11M this season. Beane's nuts. It's the sign of a desperate GM if we're going to be honest. Edited June 3, 2023 by PBF81 1 1 2 1 1 2 Quote
Norcalbillsfan Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 Meh, I guess my only hope is mcD can run a more aggressive defense and unlock his potential. Cuz his performance so far does not justify that money Quote
bearstobills Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 2 hours ago, MWK said: Laughable. Can’t wait to hear the justification for this from the fanboys. 17 million a year for a guy who doesn’t produce? That is a contract for a great DT, not Ed Oliver. Brandon Beane continues to pay and overrate players he drafted. Clueless take. It really is. Who has he overrated and signed? I'll wait. 2017 He signed Milano, Tredavious, and Dawkins to extensions (and those were guys he did not draft) 2018 He signed Josh Allen, Taron Johnson, and Siran Neal to extensions 2019 Ed Oliver signed So who has he overrated and paid?? Ed doesn't count because you're suggesting a pattern. I'm still waiting. 1 Quote
PBF81 Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Big Turk said: Must not have watched the Thanksgiving game this year. He literally won that game for us Detroit, yeah, LOL. And in just about every other game you couldn't tell the difference between him and any mediocre DT in the league. 1 Quote
Simon Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Detroit, yeah, LOL. And in just about every other game you couldn't tell the difference between him and any mediocre DT in the league. Agreed that "YOU" couldn't. 1 4 Quote
Mikie2times Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 DT's and the names you read aren't just interchangeable in our system. Perhaps the Bills don't like what they see in the pipeline as far as 3 tech DT's. I will bet a shiny object either way that as a whole, this board and the common Bills fan has very little ability in determining what Ed Olivers impact is for this system and his league value. Not to say we can't make normal observations, but as was the case with Edmunds, it is very hard to leverage those observations against a system that we don't fully understand. I think we have to at least entertain the possibility we could be wrong in our evaluation, given what teams were willing to pay for Edmunds and in this instance, what I assume they would be willing to pay for Oliver. If I recall, we also hated Daboll which surely didn't age well. Let's see how it plays out. I will throw the pitch fork to the side for now. 2 Quote
foreboding Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Billsfan4588 said: Color me confused. I'd understand if it was a discount, but that's top dollar. Not anymore. Top guy gets 31m. He's not even top 10. 1 1 Quote
buffaloboyinATL Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 I believe that Oliver has not reached his ceiling yet, and McDermott told Beane that he believes he can get him there. I personally believe that ceiling will be worth this price tag, so I am excited to watch him play this year. Quote
PBF81 Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Simon said: Yes, YOU couldn't. I'm all eyes if you want to demonstrate his impact in most other games last season. I'm sure it's all in the ever important "eye test," because statistically he doesn't rank very well. Otherwise, you appear to be in the minority, which is saying something on this topic here. Edited June 3, 2023 by PBF81 Quote
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 30 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: blowing 7.5% of your cap on a chronic under-achiever just so you don't have to replace him is a complete loser mentality. Yahtzee Quote
ddaryl Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 Pressure is on Ed Oliver, because he'll be the whipping boy if we don't see results... It's also adds pressure to McD and Beane because they're the one's who believe he is doing something valuable enough to justify the extension. The fans do not share this sentiment. 1 Quote
buffaloboyinATL Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, ddaryl said: Pressure is on Ed Oliver, because he'll be the whipping boy if we don't see results... You say that as though he wasn’t already the whipping boy around here. Once Cody Ford left, it was Edmunds. Now Ed O is in the pole position. Quote
BarleyNY Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: I believe that Oliver has not reached his ceiling yet, and McDermott told Beane that he believes he can get him there. I personally believe that ceiling will be worth this price tag, so I am excited to watch him play this year. Bad teams pay players like that. Oliver has not nearly played to the level of this contract extension. Paying him with the hopes that he takes a big enough step forward to be worth makes me SMH. 2 Quote
PBF81 Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: DT's and the names you read aren't just interchangeable in our system. Perhaps the Bills don't like what they see in the pipeline as far as 3 tech DT's. I will bet a shiny object either way that as a whole, this board and the common Bills fan has very little ability in determining what Ed Olivers impact is for this system and his league value. Not to say we can't make normal observations, but as was the case with Edmunds, it is very hard to leverage those observations against a system that we don't fully understand. I think we have to at least entertain the possibility we could be wrong in our evaluation, given what teams were willing to pay for Edmunds and in this instance, what I assume they would be willing to pay for Oliver. If I recall, we also hated Daboll which surely didn't age well. Let's see how it plays out. I will throw the pitch fork to the side for now. Then perhaps Beane should have planned a little bit better over the six years that he's been GM, that's a logical way of looking at it as well. Quote
Virgil Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Well Von gets double teamed instead of Ed. If I remember correctly, Ed was elite in 1 on 1 win ratios for dts I get that. But if we are going to pay a guy 15 mil plus, then he should be the dominant force and make life easier for everyone else. I’m not coming at you, just the whole idea of paying him when he needs others to help him be great, but got that contract, bothers me a little. 2 1 Quote
JaCrispy Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 Booooo… Now, 2 bad contracts in a row with Dawson Knox and Oliver…👎 1 3 1 1 Quote
Lost Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 Beefing up his contract to make him more trade worthy? I honestly woulda rather extended Edmunds. 1 2 1 Quote
Simon Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, PBF81 said: I'm all eyes if you want to demonstrate his impact in most other games last season. I'm sure it's all in the ever important "eye test," because statistically he doesn't rank very well. Otherwise, you appear to be in the minority, which is saying something on this topic here. The fact that you rely on statistics and popular opinion to judge the effectiveness of DT's tells us all we need to know. Thank you. 👍 2 2 Quote
Virgil Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: Booooo… Now, 2 bad contracts in a row with Dawson Knox and Oliver…👎 Knox seemed like an overpay at the time, and the Kincaid drafting doesn’t help. Now, if we commit to a two tight end set and both these guys eat, then great job Beane. But I somehow think we are still going to see a lot of FB and 3 Wr sets 2 Quote
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