Hopkins released by Arizona (7/16: signed by Titans)

[TheWeatherMan]

45 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Love the mindset.  Not that I have two yard Frank Gore runs on 2nd and 10 on my mind under Daboll.

Before Gore, it was Tolbert…rinse and repeat.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

5 hours ago, Aimee75 said:

I said what I said. I think they would have an overall more solid offense. Great rb. JuJu is pretty solid. Gesicki? Same. Hopkins??? I think they are in contention with their overall talent, even with freaking Mac Jones or Baily Zappe at QB. A decent qb with a lot of talent around him can make a team scary.

 

Does this mean that is how it will play out? No, we won't really know until the season starts, but I don't like the idea of us having Allen and Diggs keeping this team afloat for the 4th season in a row.

I already said Mac or Zappe is not equal to Allen, but an overall solid offense vs two star players carrying a team? That is how I feel, and how I have felt for a couple years now. Outside of Allen and Diggs, we have Davis?? Knox(I love Knox btw) whom IMHO is hit or miss. We have Kincaid, and he might be great, but he's a rookie, and I don't want to get my hopes too high over a rookie.

Ludicrous

 

[Heitz]

4 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Ludicrous

Posters opinions be like:

[Doc]

Smoke if you got 'em.

[BananaB]

1 hour ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Most team's skill position players are rarely consistent after their top 1-2 players, it is very rare that a team has 3 consistent skill position players. The Bills do need someone after Diggs that can be a consistent threat but to act like the Pats have that many if any consistent skill positions players is lunacy. 

I never said anything about the Pats. We just need more consistency after Allen and Diggs. They don’t need huge numbers, just be reliable when called upon. Like Beasley

[BillsFanForever19]

11 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

How do we know he's been offered a decent amount of guaranteed money by anyone at this point

 

Well if Tennessee and New England weren't offering a decent amount of guaranteed money, that would probably mean we don't even have an offer to him at all or are offering straight up nothing guaranteed. 

Edited June 27, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[ALG1130]

4 hours ago, Heitz said:

Posters opinions be like:

Okay, if Diggs were to get hurt and be out, you still feeling good about the offense? I for one am not. My opinion though, and I am standing by it. Allen and Diggs carry the offense, and make the offense look a hell of a lot better than it would be without either of them. If that makes my opinion "ludicrous", then so be it.

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, Aimee75 said:

Okay, if Diggs were to get hurt and be out, you still feeling good about the offense? I for one am not. My opinion though, and I am standing by it. Allen and Diggs carry the offense, and make the offense look a hell of a lot better than it would be without either of them. If that makes my opinion "ludicrous", then so be it.

Almost every single NFL teams offense will take a massive step back losing their QB or WR1. The Bills still need to explore options to get another consistent playmaker but it sis rather obvious that your top playmakers are what drives your offense 

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, Aimee75 said:

Okay, if Diggs were to get hurt and be out, you still feeling good about the offense? I for one am not. My opinion though, and I am standing by it. Allen and Diggs carry the offense, and make the offense look a hell of a lot better than it would be without either of them. If that makes my opinion "ludicrous", then so be it.

I agree with you for sure about them carrying the offense.

 

But to play the devil's advocate, look at what Mahomes was still able to do after he lost Tyreek.  I know he said it as a joke but it was partially true that he "had to start looking for other receivers as his first read".

 

Yes, having Kelce more than makes up for that but when you look at how the Giants were able to be competitive with less than stellar receiving core, it made it harder for teams to plan against who was "that guys" you have to shut down.

 

It would be interesting to see how it would play out is all I'm saying and would prefer diggs on the field as opposed to off it.

 

 

[buffblue]

The below is from an ESPN article by Bill Barnwell today ranking every NFL team's offensive weapons. For comparison, he has the Jets at 22 and KC at 19. I pretty much agree with the ranking. If Diggs goes down, this offense will be in trouble. Too bad Hopkins only seems to care about the money

 

20. Buffalo Bills

2022 rank: 10 | 2021 rank: 9

This is a major downgrade for the Bills, who didn't get a breakout season from any of their young playmakers last season. Gabe Davis, who was coming off a four-touchdown game against the Chiefs in the playoffs, was able to catch only 51.6% of his passes and garner targets on 17.7% of his routes. His style is always going to trade middling efficiency for big plays, but he didn't hit home runs frequently enough in 2022. He has to be something more than Buffalo's version of Marquise Valdes-Scantling in a contract year.

 

Dawson Knox also failed to build on his impressive step forward in 2021, as his touchdown rate regressed back to earth. A Buffalo front office that was reportedly trying to add a tight end to supplement Knox before that season finally got its man this offseason, using a first-round pick on Dalton Kincaid. I'm excited about Kincaid's long-term potential, but rookie tight ends almost always fail to live up to lofty expectations.

 

Neither Devin Singletary nor James Cook won the starting job at running back, while a midseason trade for Nyheim Hines delivered a total of 50 yards from scrimmage in nine games. General manager Brandon Beane wisely swapped out Singletary for power back Damien Harris this offseason, with the Bills hoping to pound light boxes as the Chiefs did with Isiah Pacheco last season. Harris struggled to stay healthy in New England, but the hope will undoubtedly be that he can contribute in a 150-carry role.

 

So much of how this offense goes depends on quarterback Josh Allen and receiver Stefon Diggs, and the former isn't included in this debate. This is a tier of teams with one star wide receiver and questions around that player, and it's hard to argue that the teams ahead of Buffalo in these rankings don't have better options for possible breakouts on their 2023 rosters.

 

 

 

[SCBills]

I keep checking this thread like an idiot every once in a while, scrolling through looking for a Twitter link.  
 

There’s never a Twitter link.  

[boyst]

7 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

We must have really been terrible last year.  Well we were the 2nd worst offense in the league.  Oh wait I'm reading that upside down! 

2nd series

 

1st and 10 - Singleterry runs 8 yards

2nd and 10 - Singleterry runs for 17 - holding Scaffold on opposite side of the play

2nd and 20 - Allen scramble for 17 yards

3rd and 3 - pass to McKenzie - 12 yards - incomplete

4th and 3 - pass to Knox - 2 yard screen.

 

Turnover on downs.

[gobills1212]

12 hours ago, Aimee75 said:

I have a lot of thoughts that I have been keeping to myself, in fear of just sounding too negative, but I am at the point of imploding.

 

If Hopkins goes to the freaking Patriots, then I feel like that team(aside from QB) is already better than The Bills on offense. Do I think Hops is better than Diggs? No, but their overall weapons vs ours, as a whole, would seem stronger.

 

I am just feeling disgruntled these days, because we finally have this elite QB who carries our team year in and out, but very little is done to help him get over the hump. Our best weapon is Diggs, and god forbid, what if he got hurt? Then what? We keep coming up short every year, and aren't doing really anything to get past teams like The Chiefs and Bengals, and now there are some other emerging teams, like The Jags etc Outside of Allen and Diggs, I feel like our offense doesn't compete with some of the other offenses in the AFC. I know The Chiefs are a little suspect, but they do have Kelce, and a solid group of receivers and solid offensive line. Obviously the Mahomes/Reid two headed monster is a huge part of their success.

 

I guess I just feel like Brandon Beane is too worried about the future and spending too much money and how it will impact the future, so instead we keep staying competitive but coming up short every year. I am worried Josh's best years are perpetually being wasted!

 

If Hopkins doesn't sign with us, and signs with a team like The Patriots or Ravens, I'm gonna be so sick. 

Aimee,

Wutcha goin through?

I think Im inclined,  to disagree with you.

Try again, maybe harder - we wont mind it if you do....

We ain't signing Dehop, I guess we're through

 

Edited June 27, 2023 by gobills1212

[BillsFanForever19]

14 hours ago, Paul Costa said:

Bills can cut Neal & extend Jones and have enough to sign Nuk and have a few million for the season. Sign Neal back after week 1 if they wish for a minimum contract 

 

When it comes to another DT extension after Oliver's, I get the feeling Beane's going to want to see how Daquan Jones, Poona Ford, and Jordan Phillips play and hold up throughout the season before extending one of them. 

 

As for Neal, he's a favorite amongst posters to clear cap. But he's also a favorite of the coaching staff and the locker room. He's our only other Nickel CB besides Taron Johnson, our only Big Nickel, and a core Special Teams player. There's a reason they gave him the contract they did. He's not going anywhere.

 

And Beane doesn't do extensions that aren't in his plans or release players at other positions simply to make a move on a Free Agent. That's not how he operates.

[ALG1130]

6 hours ago, The Wiz said:

I agree with you for sure about them carrying the offense.

 

But to play the devil's advocate, look at what Mahomes was still able to do after he lost Tyreek.  I know he said it as a joke but it was partially true that he "had to start looking for other receivers as his first read".

 

Yes, having Kelce more than makes up for that but when you look at how the Giants were able to be competitive with less than stellar receiving core, it made it harder for teams to plan against who was "that guys" you have to shut down.

 

It would be interesting to see how it would play out is all I'm saying and would prefer diggs on the field as opposed to off it.

 

 

I think what happened with Mahomes last season, and losing Tyreek, is what is giving other teams(including us) hope, but going into last season I felt we had the better overall offense than KC. As the season went on, I started to feel differently. None of KC's receivers were on Diggs level, but they were a pretty solid overall group. I thought they were better than Davis. I know Davis was hurt a lot last season, and had ankle issues, but I still thought last year was a big disappointment.

 

The Giants last year reminded me a little of our 2019 season. 

5 hours ago, gobills1212 said:

Aimee,

Wutcha goin through?

I think Im inclined,  to disagree with you.

Try again, maybe harder - we wont mind it if you do....

We ain't signing Dehop, I guess we're through

 

That's fine, but at least I am on the same page as Bill Barnwell. Bill Barnwell and I can be ludicrous together. 

[gobills1212]

5 hours ago, Aimee75 said:

I think what happened with Mahomes last season, and losing Tyreek, is what is giving other teams(including us) hope, but going into last season I felt we had the better overall offense than KC. As the season went on, I started to feel differently. None of KC's receivers were on Diggs level, but they were a pretty solid overall group. I thought they were better than Davis. I know Davis was hurt a lot last season, and had ankle issues, but I still thought last year was a big disappointment.

 

The Giants last year reminded me a little of our 2019 season. 

That's fine, but at least I am on the same page as Bill Barnwell. Bill Barnwell and I can be ludicrous together. 

Thank you for your response, but I was just singing a song. Im kinda sad I had to explain.  That said, enjoy! Maybe itll make you a bit happier...or at least a little less.... ugh?

 

Edited June 27, 2023 by gobills1212

[HOUSE]

I would assume the Bills are offering 8-11 mil on a one year deal. I doubt that will work.

I have a feeling D HOP is looking to skip camp and show up a few days before the first game. That won't work either 

[Warriorspikes51]

3 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

I would assume the Bills are offering 8-11 mil on a one year deal. I doubt that will work.

I have a feeling D HOP is looking to skip camp and show up a few days before the first game. That won't work either 

 

I think he'd be a Bill if we offered that

[HOUSE]

13 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

I think he'd be a Bill if we offered that

The guy doesn't like practice so he will probably let it play out hoping for a training camp injury on another team  

[billsfan89]

2 hours ago, HOUSE said:

I would assume the Bills are offering 8-11 mil on a one year deal. I doubt that will work.

I have a feeling D HOP is looking to skip camp and show up a few days before the first game. That won't work either 

That offer sounds about right but I am not so sure Dhop wants to skip all of camp with a new team, i think he would want at least part of a pre season to get ready for the season and get a grip on a new system.