Hopkins released by Arizona (7/16: signed by Titans)

[Mango]

At this point I’d rather trade for Evans and some draft capital for Diggs. 

[Aussie Joe]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

At this point I’d rather trade for Evans and some draft capital for Diggs. 

Diggs is untradeable… too much dead money…

[Mango]

34 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Diggs is untradeable… too much dead money…

 

Right, I know that. But if we are going to operate in a pretend world where we free up $12-25M for Hopkins, why not live in pretend world where we get a similar talent and maybe get some draft picks back as well.

 

The 2023 number is manageable. In fact a swap for Diggs/Morse for Evans gets us close to breaking even. It is the 2024 number that is difficult to navigate. I do think the Bills likely move on in 2024. And to a larger extent, we have been kicking the salary cap can down the road for some time and the Bill is about to come due. We have 30 UFA's next season and are estimated to be $40M over the cap. That situation is almost as much of a factor in moving on from Diggs as Diggs contract is itself. We don't have much freedom to absorb much. 

For reference

2023 Trade: $13M Dead Cap/2024 $31M Dead Cap

2024 Trade Post June 1: $8.8M/$22M

 

Moving on from Diggs will require us to move on via trade/cut/letting walk in FA a number of other players unfortunately. Tre White is likely near the top of the list of sacrifices (or extension?) to balance the books for Stef. He can save us $10M in 2024. 

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On 6/5/2023 at 4:15 PM, Warriorspikes51 said:

I hope Beane did the interview just to trigger Johnny Wawrow

 

Evidently, it was good enough trigger you.

[Starr Almighty]

6 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

The Bills were more willing to pony up the adjustable rate mortgage for Von who had finished the previous season healthy and was Dominant in a Super Bowl run. Whereas Dhop is coming off injuries back to back seasons. 
 

I think the Bills are also looking at not having too many bad contracts on the roster to have to avoid dead money. Von’s deal is possibly going to cost the Bills eight figures in dead money by 2025 or 2026. I think you can stomach one of those deals to try to “win now” but you can’t stomach two or more. 
 

I think in the end the Bills will try to get Dhop on a suped up Floyd type deal. Get the man a good chunk of money by adding some void years. But I doubt they want a huge multi year commitment like Von. 
 

To make such a deal happen probably would need 10 million in space

Please tell me what injury he had last season. 

[Warriorspikes51]

11 hours ago, Delete This Account said:

 

Evidently, it was good enough trigger you.

John, everyone can see this is you by clicking on your changed username

[NoSaint]

I’ve come to terms with Hopkins being plan A, and when the price went up we pulled the trigger on Floyd instead as the next most impactful way to spend

[NewEra]

15 hours ago, Mango said:

 

Right, I know that. But if we are going to operate in a pretend world where we free up $12-25M for Hopkins, why not live in pretend world where we get a similar talent and maybe get some draft picks back as well.

 

The 2023 number is manageable. In fact a swap for Diggs/Morse for Evans gets us close to breaking even. It is the 2024 number that is difficult to navigate. I do think the Bills likely move on in 2024. And to a larger extent, we have been kicking the salary cap can down the road for some time and the Bill is about to come due. We have 30 UFA's next season and are estimated to be $40M over the cap. That situation is almost as much of a factor in moving on from Diggs as Diggs contract is itself. We don't have much freedom to absorb much. 

For reference

2023 Trade: $13M Dead Cap/2024 $31M Dead Cap

2024 Trade Post June 1: $8.8M/$22M

 

Moving on from Diggs will require us to move on via trade/cut/letting walk in FA a number of other players unfortunately. Tre White is likely near the top of the list of sacrifices (or extension?) to balance the books for Stef. He can save us $10M in 2024. 

You don’t even know what’s going on with Diggs….. yet you’re willing to assume all that dead cap and crush our chances at winning a couple super bowls?  Idk man. This is irrational thinking.  
 

Unless Diggs says he doesn’t want to be here, he needs to stay put and help figure out how to get over the top.  That’s what he wants and he has the focus and determination to find a way.  

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

I’ve come to terms with Hopkins being plan A, and when the price went up we pulled the trigger on Floyd instead as the next most impactful way to spend

 

But fans don't have to come to terms with anything.    The Bills just have to prove themselves right.   I said last offseason that they were making a mistake by not prioritizing offense over defense and letting their WR corps go to camp in the shape it was.   Defense is simply the harder side of the ball to predict results accurately from season to season......that's just the reality.    You have to remain measured when investing on that side of the ball.   It wasn't impossible for the team to ride the defense to a SB championship in 2022........but it really put the onus on McBeane to make it happen........because the predictable aspect that they were more likely to be able to make GREAT was the offense.    

[CSBill]

118 pages, and I have not contributed one post. But today is the day! Here it is . . .

 

Have we signed him yet?

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

But fans don't have to come to terms with anything.    The Bills just have to prove themselves right.   I said last offseason that they were making a mistake by not prioritizing offense over defense and letting their WR corps go to camp in the shape it was.   Defense is simply the harder side of the ball to predict results accurately from season to season......that's just the reality.    You have to remain measured when investing on that side of the ball.   It wasn't impossible for the team to ride the defense to a SB championship in 2022........but it really put the onus on McBeane to make it happen........because the predictable aspect that they were more likely to be able to make GREAT was the offense.    

Why would you try to win with defense when you have Josh Allen? Just stupid. Chiefs are so much better-managed than we are.

[Turbo44]

1 hour ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

Why would you try to win with defense when you have Josh Allen? Just stupid. Chiefs are so much better-managed than we are.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the process lingers on (if he doesn’t sign with NE not NAS) that we bring him in for a visit. He still would make a ton of sense for Buffalo if his price tag is reasonable 

[boyst]

1 hour ago, CSBill said:

118 pages, and I have not contributed one post. But today is the day! Here it is . . .

 

Have we signed him yet?

yes

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

9 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

John, everyone can see this is you by clicking on your changed username

 

JUNE 5

john wawrow      Delete This Account

NOVEMBER 16, 2022

john wawrow      john wawrow

 

some of us choose not to hide who we really are

[BillsShredder83]

38 minutes ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said:

 

JUNE 5

john wawrow      Delete This Account

NOVEMBER 16, 2022

john wawrow      john wawrow

 

some of us choose not to hide who we really are

LOL THIS. IS. AMAZING

@Warriorspikes51nice detective work, maybe he'll ask you how to sniff out information before he storms off

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Because the HC is a defensive HC. Defense will always be the priority with him around. 

Unfortunately so. Can’t wait to watch Spencer Brown get josh murdered again this year. Also looking fwd to teams doubling Diggs since they know Gabe can only run to routes and has unreliable hands. FUN STUFF!

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said:

Unfortunately so. Can’t wait to watch Spencer Brown get josh murdered again this year. Also looking fwd to teams doubling Diggs since they know Gabe can only run to routes and has unreliable hands. FUN STUFF!

 

Hopefully Kincaid can have a big impact this year. 

[NoSaint]

10 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

But fans don't have to come to terms with anything.    The Bills just have to prove themselves right.   I said last offseason that they were making a mistake by not prioritizing offense over defense and letting their WR corps go to camp in the shape it was.   Defense is simply the harder side of the ball to predict results accurately from season to season......that's just the reality.    You have to remain measured when investing on that side of the ball.   It wasn't impossible for the team to ride the defense to a SB championship in 2022........but it really put the onus on McBeane to make it happen........because the predictable aspect that they were more likely to be able to make GREAT was the offense.    

I don’t disagree- I just think it’s the reality of where we are, with the team likely having one splash move left coming out of the draft and the Hopkins situation turning on them. I suspect he was plan an and Floyd was plan b. 
 

if there’s anything that my gut puts as a disclaimer on the defense comments - I think a reliably impactful pass rush is about the best you can hope for an ROI with. A sack or pressure are about the only way to get the ball back from an elite offense, so in a shootout, I’ll take pass rushers if investing. But even that’s a challenge. 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I don’t disagree- I just think it’s the reality of where we are, with the team likely having one splash move left coming out of the draft and the Hopkins situation turning on them. I suspect he was plan an and Floyd was plan b. 
 

if there’s anything that my gut puts as a disclaimer on the defense comments - I think a reliably impactful pass rush is about the best you can hope for an ROI with. A sack or pressure are about the only way to get the ball back from an elite offense, so in a shootout, I’ll take pass rushers if investing. But even that’s a challenge. 

 

 

I don't disagree necessarily but they didn't get to a last splash before all of the other moves they made the past 2 offseasons.    Coming to terms with their moves doesn't seem necessary.   We can enjoy the season while not being very satisfied by the personnel choices they've made.   Coming to terms with it is almost like agreeing to agree with said choices.   I don't need to go there, personally.   They just need to show us the baby after all that laboring to stack the roster how they felt was best.  

[Delete This Account]

12 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

John, everyone can see this is you by clicking on your changed username

 

Oh, no. I’ve been found out. Heavens to Betsy.

I. Don’t. Care.