Hopkins released by Arizona (7/16: signed by Titans)

[Thurman#1]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

considering the Bills are heavily interested and the player has openly expressed his love for the QB and franchise multiple times, I’d say there’s a real chance the front office finds a way. Especially if Josh Allen requests it…..and he very well could have given Hopkins comments on him and them following each other on social media

 

 

Well, let's agree to disagree.

 

I promise one thing, though. 

 

If we do sign him, there'll be another guy this fanbase just has to have, and they'll say we can just kick the cans down the road. If we sign him, there'll be another. It never stops.

 

ALWAYS another shiny object.

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Totally agree, they won't break the bank for him and not pay him more than Diggs who would throw a fit

 

seriously? Diggs would be celebrating! No one else on this team scares defenses. It would mean more single coverage for him

1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Well, let's agree to disagree.

 

I promise one thing, though. 

 

If we do sign him, there'll be another guy this fanbase just has to have, and they'll say we can just kick the cans down the road. If we sign him, there'll be another. It never stops.

 

ALWAYS another shiny object.

we just want a Championship….

[Mike in Horseheads]

2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

seriously? Diggs would be celebrating! No one else on this team scares defenses. It would mean more single coverage for him

[Thurman#1]

5 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

we just want a Championship….

 

 

Not me. I also want a chance at many. 

 

Surely his being cut makes it more possible, since we don't have to trade anything. 

 

But I think anyone who thinks Hopkins is going to give us a one-year cheapish deal is kidding themselves. I'd love to see it happen, but I think that likelihood approaches zero.

 

See ya on the boards.

 

 

Edited May 27, 2023 by Thurman#1

[QCity]

13 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

The Rams added OBJ. The Eagles added AJ Brown. The Chiefs added Kadarius Toney. Every one of these additions ultimately changed the fortune of their team. IMO you're living in the past if you don't think adding a top tier WR can push a team over the hump. The Bills did it just 3 years ago and it revolutionized our offense.

 

Yeah, that's what got KC over the top. Kadarius Toney.

[SCBills]

15 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Well, let's agree to disagree.

 

I promise one thing, though. 

 

If we do sign him, there'll be another guy this fanbase just has to have, and they'll say we can just kick the cans down the road. If we sign him, there'll be another. It never stops.

 

ALWAYS another shiny object.

KC has to make decisions on how much to pay Kelce and Jones soon

 

CIN has to figure out what to do with an owner who struggles with liquidity and Burrow, Chase and Higgins all coming due

 

NYJ are kicking a ton of cap into future years with the Rodgers deal

 

MIA is doing the same with future cap and they gave up quite a bit of draft capital in the process 

 

BAL just signed OBJ to 4 void years to get him under the cap 

 

BUF isn’t exactly alone in having tough cap ramifications to deal with in the future.  I’d say KC has probably handled theirs the best of the bunch, but even they have two big ticket items coming up to take into account. 
 

 

Edited May 27, 2023 by SCBills

[FluffHead]

3 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

Yeah, that's what got KC over the top. Kadarius Toney.

He certainly made a big play in the big game at a big time 

[Warriorspikes51]

4 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Not me. I also want a chance at many. 

 

Surely his being cut makes it more possible, since we don't have to trade anything. 

 

But I think anyone who thinks Hopkins is going to give us a one-year cheapish deal is kidding themselves. I'd love to see it happen, but I think that likelihood approaches zero.

 

See ya on the boards.

 

 

cheapish deal no? Doable yes. 

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Not me. I also want a chance at many. 

 

Surely his being cut makes it more possible, since we don't have to trade anything. 

 

But I think anyone who thinks Hopkins is going to give us a one-year cheapish deal is kidding themselves. I'd love to see it happen, but I think that likelihood approaches zero.

 

See ya on the boards.

 

 

This roster as currently constructed has been to exactly zero Super Bowls. In fact they haven't even gotten close

 

[90sBills]

7 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

Yeah, that's what got KC over the top. Kadarius Toney.

They wouldn’t have won the SB without his punt return. 

[Mike in Horseheads]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

This roster as currently constructed has been to exactly zero Super Bowls. In fact they haven't even gotten close

 

13 seconds

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

13 seconds

from the AFCCG

[Alphadawg7]

17 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

13 seconds

That wasn’t close, that was a loss in round 2 and would have had to play Cincy still who we have not looked against yet.  

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

56 minutes ago, FluffHead said:

He certainly made a big play in the big game at a big time 

 

Are you talking about the TD? Didn't Sky Moore make the exact same catch on the same route for a TD on the next series? I think that is proof that the Chiefs could have put any receiver out there and gotten the exact same result. 

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

But a team paying a signing bonus and the way the amortization works is a near-exact match to how credit cards work. You borrow the money? You have to account for it. Borrow enough money from future years and you'll destroy your freedom to spend in those future years.

 

The Saints did it every year until Drew Brees retired and then they took their medicine. It was never a problem for them in their elite QB window. Beane himself did it when he took over the Bills, spent 1-2 seasons tearing the roster down and getting the cap into good shape. This is a billion dollar operation with a cash-rich owner... they will figure it out. You're correct that some day we will need to account for previous spending but that day is much further into the future than you make it out to be.

 

The reality is that most teams only have about 5 players that really belong in the "core" of the team. The rest are guys that spend no more than 2-3 years on the team or guys on rookie deals. So spending future cap space on Hopkins is not going to drastically change the fundamental structure of the team. At worst it will merely push out some of those 2nd and 3rd tier guys that aren't in the long-term plans anyways. The core will remain.

 

For example by adding Hopkins I think it becomes almost impossible to extend Ed Oliver or Gabe Davis next year no matter how well they play. But neither of these players appear to be in our long-term plans regardless. They are caught in the same position that Edmunds was in last year. When you're paying a QB you can't pay above market value for average or lower production which is exactly what guys like Edmunds and Davis and Oliver end up securing in free agency. A player like Hopkins on the contrary is not easily replaceable and has legitimate season-changing production. Pushing out some of our roster's middle class in exchange for an upper class player is a net positive. That's the "poison pill" you're worried about.

[BillsShredder83]

6 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

My personal opinion after watching football for 40 years, Wide Receivers are never the missing piece and do not put teams over the top in winning championships.  All the wr trades and big signings through the years and very few have resulted in championships.  

 

High end wr who were released traded and never won a championship

 

Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Chris Carter, Joey Galloway, Antonio Brown, Brandon Marshall, andre rison, Roy Williams, etc. etc.

 

Its usually the guys in the trenches who make the biggest differences and the WR are usually home grown on the championship teams.  I would be really careful about giving money to an older wr who is expecting to come in and automatically win just because.  Teams with those types of guys always seemingly get beat in the playoffs.  

we already have what we have. we invested heavily in the OL. kromer can work well with the room he has.... its not hard to look at our specific situation and see how hed put us over the top

 

if we were a team that didnt have diggs, sure signing him would be like the signings above... but a retooled OL, power and speed 1-2 punch RBs, knox should be able to run more routes, kincaid is going to draw a nickle corner or lb... upgrade to hopkins, and we get a major jump at the #2 spot, and a major bump at #3 with where gabe belongs. i dont care about any of the situations before. the effect he would have for the players already on the field is unmeasurable. diggs will run hog f**** wild

 

those situations are not this situation

6 hours ago, Herb Nightly said:

If Bills DO sign Hopkins: how many victories will he add? 1 or 2 or more?

One of my biggest concerns has been the lack of depth behind Diggs. 

Hopkins could keep the offense going if Diggs misses any games.

in the playoffs

[BillsShredder83]

5 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

this isn't the time of year to make those signings obviously.  

 

My point is that you cant put the organization in a bad position going forward to fit a large salary for a wr who looks to be on the decline and has had some issues.  Also these types of guys always think they are coming is as hero's and just expect to win...when it doesn't happen they are not good locker room guys.

 

on the flip side of that, he is the type of wr buffalo does not have, he is big and makes catches in difficult positions at odd angles and in traffic.  

 

I just personally think making adjustments to contracts to squeeze in 15+ million for a wr at his age is not a smart move.  It is a win now at all costs move however and if they feel they only have 1 or 2 more seasons with this group before they have to make some sort of major changes to the roster or staff I could sort of understand.

 

I think he ends up in baltimore and I kind of want that to happen so I can watch the ravens meltdown late in the year with a bunch of guys who seem only motivated by money.

where was the decline? having a killer season with 3rd string guys (3rd string on ARZ let alone)? dudes dominant, 100% prime plug n play for 2-3yrs. dunno we can keep him that long but PLENTY of tread on the tires, go watch the film

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Just wanting to win one now is your choice. Again, I totally disagree. Give me an exciting 15 years where we have a great chance. If that happens, we likely win one, maybe two or three or more. I totally disagree, but if that's your opinion, fine.

 

But yeah, personal finances are for the long-term. 

 

Thing is, so is football when you've a got a QB as young and terrific as Josh Allen.

 

And again, Beane does not agree with you. 

$5m dead in 2024 and 2025 is going to ruin us? Losing out on a Bates type player is our death knell?  STOP

[Alphadawg7]

50 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

The Saints did it every year until Drew Brees retired and then they took their medicine. It was never a problem for them in their elite QB window. Beane himself did it when he took over the Bills, spent 1-2 seasons tearing the roster down and getting the cap into good shape. This is a billion dollar operation with a cash-rich owner... they will figure it out. You're correct that some day we will need to account for previous spending but that day is much further into the future than you make it out to be.

 

The reality is that most teams only have about 5 players that really belong in the "core" of the team. The rest are guys that spend no more than 2-3 years on the team or guys on rookie deals. So spending future cap space on Hopkins is not going to drastically change the fundamental structure of the team. At worst it will merely push out some of those 2nd and 3rd tier guys that aren't in the long-term plans anyways. The core will remain.

 

For example by adding Hopkins I think it becomes almost impossible to extend Ed Oliver or Gabe Davis next year no matter how well they play. But neither of these players appear to be in our long-term plans regardless. They are caught in the same position that Edmunds was in last year. When you're paying a QB you can't pay above market value for average or lower production which is exactly what guys like Edmunds and Davis and Oliver end up securing in free agency. A player like Hopkins on the contrary is not easily replaceable and has legitimate season-changing production. Pushing out some of our roster's middle class in exchange for an upper class player is a net positive. That's the "poison pill" you're worried about.

Very well said, couldn’t agree more

[Chandler#81]

10 hours ago, NewEra said:

You never stop regurgitating the same things over and over and over and over and over and over in every thread.  
 

Hobbies are nice

Can we cut him? PLEASE??🙏

5 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

As I've said in another thread, it's great to want him here and figure out ways it could be done. But just because fans are comfortable with doing certain things and see a possible way to do it, doesn't mean Beane will be comfortable doing it and sees things the same way.

Thanks Dad.

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